Are eMax owners happy with their tractors?

[DavesTractor]

Odd first post, I don't know how a dealer could struggle with that question when the emax out specs the 1025r in almost every category and it's cheaper.

Sometimes a salesman gets taken off guard. An Aleppo moment.....And then again, some sales people just are not good at what they do.

We often get asked why a customer should buy our tractor instead of brand A, B or C. The first thing to do is to compliment the other brand, because if you start out thrashing the other brand, people see that as a fail. Then tell them a little about our dealership, then tell them about our brand, and then hit on a few spec differences. Basically, take it as an opportunity to give them your sales pitch. Lastly, price.

 

[mike69440]

1.Cold starts ( 2015/16, mildest winter in at least 3 years.) I used a space heater under engine, plus magnetic heaters on oil pan, and transmission for 3-4 hours still coughed and belched grey smoke.
2 .Busted muffler. (Covered under warranty) I did the work, to save transport fee.
3 .Weak brakes.(would not hold on slight grade)
4 Engine assy.appears to have been dunked in a vat of paint (adds about 50 ft lbs of torque to remove oil drain plug.)
5 .High rpm needed to make any power (3000 for pto) 2000 just to move it's own weight.
6 . Air filter (ends are made out of soft foam rubber, started deteriorating @80 hrs.)
The tractor (TYM built 2014 emax22 hst fel/mmm.) did save me about 2.5 miles on the wheelbarrow, but it cost me $5500 to use it for one year/90hrs.
Now I see a thread about the fel bucket failures (TYM built) glad I avoided that one.

Your motor is not running per spec, insist it be corrected.

Mahindra has cheaped out on the welding and steel in their little loaders,

Their was not much metal to start with on my Max28 and the new curved Max26 loaders are just sheet metal with 3/4" vs 255 mm dia pins.
The EMax25S loader looks ok. They must source their loaders from whoever.

Mitsubusi paint job not up to Kubota, but is sure a lot better than what you describe.

 

[SilverB]

Im very happy with my 2015 Emax 25, have owned for almost a year about 30 hours on it now, I already did my 50 hour service. (since Id hit 50 hours mid winter)
Only issue was a bit of a hard start in cold temps (0 to -30F), just had to cycle glow plugs 4 -5 times, but hoping to have fixed this issue with synthetic oil and pan heaters.
Yes it blows a small puff of black smoke on start up, but without having a DPF and DEF it probably needs to warm up for full filtering (like a traditional catalytic)
Other than this , it does most things I ask of it at 1800-2000rpms, only needing to rev up for PTO/heavy backhoe work.

Had my 4wd lever seize on the shaft, but dealer sent me a new one no questions asked and even gave me free oil filter and oil for my 50 hour service for my trouble. Although it wasnt much trouble since I just unhooked the lever and switched it in and out of 4wd with some Vice-grips.

My brakes hold fine, even on a decent grade with backhoe and loader on (If they dont, Id suspect they are out of adjustment)
They do use a ton of paint on it (which in my eyes isnt a bad thing) and Mine did not have paint on the alternator or fan/fanbelt
Easily moves and lifts itself at idle, loader seems very well built and welded as well as backhoe and blower (maybe Canada has different source for accessories/implements?)
Air Filter gets replaced at 50 hours just like oil for me (cheap insurance)

 

[dickfoster]

Im very happy with my 2015 Emax 25, have owned for almost a year about 30 hours on it now, I already did my 50 hour service. (since Id hit 50 hours mid winter)
Only issue was a bit of a hard start in cold temps (0 to -30F), just had to cycle glow plugs 4 -5 times, but hoping to have fixed this issue with synthetic oil and pan heaters.
Yes it blows a small puff of black smoke on start up, but without having a DPF and DEF it probably needs to warm up for full filtering (like a traditional catalytic)
Other than this , it does most things I ask of it at 1800-2000rpms, only needing to rev up for PTO/heavy backhoe work.

Had my 4wd lever seize on the shaft, but dealer sent me a new one no questions asked and even gave me free oil filter and oil for my 50 hour service for my trouble. Although it wasnt much trouble since I just unhooked the lever and switched it in and out of 4wd with some Vice-grips.

My brakes hold fine, even on a decent grade with backhoe and loader on (If they dont, Id suspect they are out of adjustment)
They do use a ton of paint on it (which in my eyes isnt a bad thing) and Mine did not have paint on the alternator or fan/fanbelt
Easily moves and lifts itself at idle, loader seems very well built and welded as well as backhoe and blower (maybe Canada has different source for accessories/implements?)
Air Filter gets replaced at 50 hours just like oil for me (cheap insurance)

It doesn't do to rush the 50 hour. Gears, bearing surfaces and such haven't had a change to fully lap in yet.

 

[finishman2000]

Odd first post, I don't know how a dealer could struggle with that question when the emax out specs the 1025r in almost every category and it's cheaper.

It's just fresh....I bought the 1025r a couple of weeks ago. I found it odd as well that the dealer couldn't give me a reason. I had an open mind and didn't lean one way or the other. They were about the same price which I was surprised at. I thought the JD would be more than the M

 

[SilverB]

It doesn't do to rush the 50 hour. Gears, bearing surfaces and such haven't had a change to fully lap in yet.

I didnt want to rush it either, but the choice was do it now at 15C or do it in a few months at -20C to -40C, plus it was a left over model that sat at the dealer for over a year, so I was a bit worried about condensation and oxidation of the oil/Hyd fluid.

 

[SilverB]

It's just fresh....I bought the 1025r a couple of weeks ago. I found it odd as well that the dealer couldn't give me a reason. I had an open mind and didn't lean one way or the other. They were about the same price which I was surprised at. I thought the JD would be more than the M

I found the prices quite comparable when I was shopping as well, Mahindra made me the better deal, with the attachments I wanted. But I found it hard to compare an Emax to a 1025R, capability wise it wasnt even close, I found you had to go up a model or two in the Deere lineup to get similar capability, then there was a HUGE price difference.

 

[chicora1hillbilly]

bn12595 Do you still have this tractor and are you happy with it. A dealer in my area has a 2014 emax22 gear drive with loader and mower I can get for just under $10K. The tractor has 104 hours on it and was traded on a hydro one. I think this is a great price and wanted your imput on the gear tractor. Thanks

I've been happy with my Emax22Gear. Inexpensive little tractor. Bought new in Feb 2016 for $11,600 with loader (last years model deal). Can't hardly buy a big 4 wheeler for that and you get a lot more utility for my small orchard (25 apple trees). 44 hours so far. Had one problem. The loader bucket has cracked around the center hydraulic pad. Awaiting a new bucket under warranty.
Barry

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[rdinatal]

Loving my eMax25s. Picked it up December 2016 to start my retirement biz. So far, 84hrs later, it's still a good choice over green, blue and orange.

Use it to do residential leveling and grading. It sits in the garage since I can't fit my truck in. Fits into backyards where others can't plus the tires keep grass damage low.

I will be building a blast box to help get the most out of the FEL capacity. Even with filled tires it need about 300 lbs more.

 

[whizdbiz2]

My little eMax 22 surprised me when I had to use it to move some manure in large trash cans from the barn to the pile and later to scoop up a pile just dumped outside. It was very muddy from lots of rain. With 4WD engaged it sailed right through the mud and never came close to being stuck. This is with the "industrial" tires, not ags. Very please with the little beast, it really got us out of a jam when the manure spreader was broke down. It's sitting in the barn now, covered in mud, mostly, and waiting for a bath.

 

[bn12595]

bn12595 Do you still have this tractor and are you happy with it. A dealer in my area has a 2014 emax22 gear drive with loader and mower I can get for just under $10K. The tractor has 104 hours on it and was traded on a hydro one. I think this is a great price and wanted your imput on the gear tractor. Thanks

I've had my emax22gear for 2 1/2 years now. 152 hours. It does run a little rough with a lot of vibration at idle. The muffler broke off just below the main cylinder of the muffler. Dealer said it was due to the high vibration. The 2 year bumper to bumper warranty was over 5 months ago. The broken muffler is obviously a manufacturer defect because Mahindra has redesigned the muffler with beefed up supports on the new emax22gear. Dealer is working with Mahindra to see if they will replace it even though it is past the 2 year warranty. We'll see, what they decide will determine whether I'm a repeat customer or not.

 

[Hammer850]

I just ordered an Emax 20 today. The dealer sold their last one in stock on Saturday all they had was one with a cab.

 

[bn12595]

Dave,
Is Mahindra still using the same engine in their Emax22 that they did in 2015? Do you think the design is sound?
Barry

 

[DavesTractor]

Dave,
Is Mahindra still using the same engine in their Emax22 that they did in 2015? Do you think the design is sound?
Barry

Ironically they are using the Branson engine now, the same engine that is in the 2400 Branson. Yet the original engine was just fine, a good solid engine. The eMax issues were few, but common. The muffler was the most common. Then there is a wire connector at the fuel shutoff solenoid that isn't crimped real well and you get a crank but no start. Thirdly, early ones had potential to develop a leak in the outlet of the plastic fuel tank. Lastly, the first few hundred loaders had a poor design where the single ram welded to the bucket. At our dealership, we saw the problem with the loader before we sold any, and we sourced a couple truckloads of Koyker made in the USA loaders and used them instead until Mahindra got the loader right.

The kinks have been pretty much worked out of the eMax, it's a good little tractor. But as with any brand of sub-compact ladder frame style tractors, you need to match the tractor with the job at hand. If you are going to beat it hard and/or have multiple operators that don't give a rip...then a guy should step up out of this class of machine. But if it is to help you take care of a couple of acres with general chores it is a great machine.

I'm going to be away from my desk for a week. If I get any responses to this that need a response from me, please be patient.

 

[bn12595]

Ironically they are using the Branson engine now, the same engine that is in the 2400 Branson. Yet the original engine was just fine, a good solid engine. The eMax issues were few, but common. The muffler was the most common. Then there is a wire connector at the fuel shutoff solenoid that isn't crimped real well and you get a crank but no start. Thirdly, early ones had potential to develop a leak in the outlet of the plastic fuel tank. Lastly, the first few hundred loaders had a poor design where the single ram welded to the bucket. At our dealership, we saw the problem with the loader before we sold any, and we sourced a couple truckloads of Koyker made in the USA loaders and used them instead until Mahindra got the loader right.

The kinks have been pretty much worked out of the eMax, it's a good little tractor. But as with any brand of sub-compact ladder frame style tractors, you need to match the tractor with the job at hand. If you are going to beat it hard and/or have multiple operators that don't give a rip...then a guy should step up out of this class of machine. But if it is to help you take care of a couple of acres with general chores it is a great machine.

I'm going to be away from my desk for a week. If I get any responses to this that need a response from me, please be patient.

Thanks Dave,
I've got the 002 SN for 2015 for the EMAX22G. I've got around 186 hours on it and I have enjoyed it. I used the loader a lot the first year and found the problem with the bucket, dealer sent out the new re-engineered bucket and I think it will last the life of the tractor. The dealer fixed the fuel tank, and I've got the latest muffler coming under warranty. Haven't had a problem with the solenoid yet, but will watch for that.
I have a small orchard of 25 apple trees (do lots of cider) and use it to spray my trees and other stuff around my 1 1/3 acre place. Oddly, my favorite implement cost the least. I picked up a pair of clamp on pallet forks from Titan for $90 w/free shipping (tell me how you can ship 100 lbs of steel for free). I use them to haul branches and pick up lots of other stuff.
I appreciated your thoughts on the original engine. I wanted a tractor that would last me the next 20 years.
Barry

 

[lanschuetz]

This threads been inactive for a while, but time for an update:

Things mostly still going well after 360 hours. But, the pan that holds the seat and the seat belt bolts
began to give way [tear] which made the seat sit at about a 35 degree angle forward - VERY uncomfortable.

A neighbor was able to straighten it and weld/reinforce it. Kind of disappointing. My Kubota seat was
still going strong after 30 years and was way more comfortable as well as going back a lot further.

Something in the engine bay now rattles/screams on starting the MMM - I think it's a little angle of metal
attached to the engine that seems to serve no purpose whatsoever. Irritation, but not a bit deal. Side
plastic pieces where controls are now buzz. Also irritating, but no big deal.

Still think it was a good deal at the time.

 

[lanschuetz]

Now at 441 hours and time for an update. At 8 years the battery gave out (it froze over the winter inside a garage that never gets below 32. The 8 years is fine, the freezing is bizarre. Didn't know such a thing could exist after driving for nearly 60 years.

Another manufacturer defect showed up this year. Left rear axle seal began to leak. Ended up costing about $700 to set right.

The day it came back from the dealer, the muffler cracked (8 years, 441 hours). On my way to get it welded since Mahindra wants a staggering $800 for it. Contacted Mahindra corporate since this is a known and should have been recalled issue as it is defective by design (muffler end attaches to engine, pipe is attached to frame). Sadly, zero response from Mahindra, despite being told someone would get with me right away.

If the muffler were $300, I'd have just bought it, but at $800 if the welding holds up for the next couple of years before we downsize that's good enough.

If there were a need, I wouldn't buy another one. Runs well, performs well. Just a lot of crappy parts (seat, muffler, seals) which are stupid expensive to fix. Disappointing. BTW, save yourself a ton of money by not buying the air filter from Mahindra ($70 vs $20 if you buy the TYM one, which is identical).

 

[tacticalturnip]

Sorry but I'm not sure that any tractor would be good for you. I hope you have good Medical Insurance.

Right? My jaw about hit the floor.