Alien Invasion - I want my pond back !

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"Know your enemy." but I thought you dyed the water? Will you be able to see anything? What you need is the elusive Northern Manatee pet.
 
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I have an underwater Fuji Film camera that was just shy of 200 bucks. Not a bad camera.
 
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My Samsung Galaxy 5S ACTIVE is waterproof. Even has a setting for taking underwater pictures.
 
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My Samsung Galaxy 5S is waterproof. Even has a setting for taking underwater pictures.

I used to have a Samsung S4 mini. It wasn't waterproof. Please don't ask why I know that :ashamed:
 
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Going Under
So with waders patched up with a tube of seam sealant, I took the little camera on it's first underwater outing.

New Olympus.jpg

When I got back, I was a relieved to find the camera had stayed dry inside, unlike my feet in my "repaired" waders. Unfortunately the pictures I had taken were not worth showing you. Not the cameras fault, I had simply stood in the same place for too long before pressing the shutter release. Every picture was mostly obscured by mud disturbed from the bottom. I would have to try again ...
 
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I used to have a Samsung S4 mini. It wasn't waterproof. Please don't ask why I know that :ashamed:
I left out "Active", the most important part. I think all the Active phones are waterproof.
 
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I left out "Active", the most important part. I think all the Active phones are waterproof.
I have a Samsung S5 Active in a hard rubber Pelican case. I remember reading that the S5 Active is good down to 3 feet of water if the rubber stopper over the charging port is in.
But for the price I paid for it...................I don't want to find out!
hugs, Brandi
 
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The next few times in the pond, I waded as fast as possible through the water, with the camera down and as far in front as I could hold it, in front of the mud cloud. Maybe one day I will have a boat, which would make things much easier, but for now this was plenty good enough to show me what I wanted to know.

When it first grows up from the bottom, the Crassula seems to put up a single long slender stem.

A Single stem.jpg

Finding a single plant growing on it's own like that was rare, usually there were many together, all on their way to the surface.

B Sparse in deeper water.jpg

When I pulled at an individual stem, if I was careful and didn't pull too hard, it would often come up out of the mud complete with root, so I am guessing these are all individual plants, rather than multiple shoots from a common root system.


Once they get near the surface, they put out more side shoots that start to tangle with one another, making a tough floating mat.

C dense 1.jpg D dense 2.jpg E dense 3.jpg



If a stem is cut low down in the water, it occasionally dies back, although most seem to carry on growing, but in a different manner. Within a few days they start to produce more side stems, not just from where the cut is, but from lower down the stem too. These are not very clear pics, but below you can just make out the new shoots that look a lighter color than the rest of the plant. This soon makes a much bushier plant, so I think that's telling me I need to avoid cutting and try and get the entire plant out if possible.

I broken stem 1.jpg J broken stem 2.jpg

The most remarkable aspect of Crassula, compared to our other native water plants, is that it keeps on growing all year round. In the future I intend to take more underwater pics to try and get a better feel for how fast it grows at different times of year. For this summer it had already grown way too far, I just had to come up with a way of getting out what had already grown, if possible taking it out complete with it's roots.
 
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Is that a small fish (centered, about 1/4 of the way up from the bottom) in the picture with the with blob on the surface?
 
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Eric. Does anyone over there have one of these. Cat 365C Long Reach Excavator Moving Dirt - YouTube
If so maybe get them to scoop out the roots after you drain it. Local company has 2 or 3. They do ditch and mowing for the state right aways and sit on the road to do it.

I had stocked the pond with a few fish during winter and was hoping some of them would spawn this year, so draining wasn't really an option. There is now so much Crassula locally that it would probably soon find it's way back in again. My long term hope is to find ways to manage it so that it doesn't grow with such vigour.
 
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Is that a small fish (centered, about 1/4 of the way up from the bottom) in the picture with the with blob on the surface?

You mean just here ?

A fish.jpg

Yes, I think you are right !
 
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You need a bunch of really hungry, vegetarian fish...not just that one lonely minnow you caught on camera!
 
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You need this one. It can operate in several feet of water. It has wheel but it can also "walk" so it can move in mud.
Welcome to the world of Menzi Muck - Menzi Muck AG

Not owning a Menzi Muck machine, nor having time to wait and see if I will get one for Christmas (and even if Santa was that kind, I would be bound to get it stuck), I knew getting the Crassula out complete with it's routes was not going to be easy. I envisaged it needing something like a large drag net, possibly reinforced with stock fencing. In the past I have learned when doing something new, it's generally best to test things on a small scale and only scale up once one has gained a bit of experience of what works. With this in mind, I first started off trying to pull put the weed with a small hand rake. That was useless, it put too much pressure on one point on the plant, causing the stem to break very easily.

Mk 1 scoop
Next I was thing about making some kind of cage that I could pull over the bottom when I found a few offcuts of 1" weld mesh in my scrap pile. Not enough for a cage, but maybe a simple flat sheet would give the stems enough support to not break. No Muck machine, but I do have a muck fork and with a few zip ties to hold them together, it was time for another paddle.

mk1.jpg

With this I could push it in front of me, almost level with the bottom of the pond. I only needed to push a few feet to feel the water resistance build up as the plants flattened against the mesh. Lifting it up in the water, I could see not only intact stems, but roots too - it worked ! That evening I spent an hour or possibly more with it, making lots of short passes and each time carrying the uprooted plants to the bankside. I hadn't cleared that much of the pond, but what I had got done was enough to encourage me to try it again on a slightly bigger scale.



Mk 2 scoop
Next time I cut off the biggest piece of weld mesh I thought I could reasonably manage by hand. I was looking around for a handle when I remembered an ash felled a few months earlier that was still waiting to be cut for firewood. A straight ish length from it did the job, the slight kink making a good hand hold. Bolted together, it made what looked like a huge fly swatter.

mk2.jpg

It worked superb :dance1: . The best technique seemed to be to wade a few yards into the pond with the scoop above the water, then turn around and come back with it skimming along the bottom. This time I had taken care to grind smooth the edge of the weld mesh, so each time I came back to the bankside, I could thrust the scoop forward, then pull it back and the Crassula would shoot off.


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   / Alien Invasion - I want my pond back ! #439  
Did I mention 'Weed Gator'? Think: limb saw blades T-ed onto an aluminum shaft and tossed to the end of a 25' rope slung on the wrist. Uproot vs cut. IDK about o'seas shipping. Almost made my own copy from old sawblades, but very glad that I just bought the real thing.

The good: It grabs and uproots vs cutting. You pull, shake, toss again.

The bad: Extended rope fouls easily and makes it tough to toss much farther, thus limits area coverage a bit. Muck stirs up and it can be hard to see where to toss again after a few. Heavy when loaded.(?) Wouldn't pull far with small boat as I suspect the rope would snap or pull loose at much more than 25' of 'drag'.

After using: Money well spent. Limitations reasonable. Performance as promised. I recommend ... for most. ('Let it sink'.) 'All I have' but beats anything else I've found/built/tried. There is a similar 'Weed Razor' that cuts, but weeds float and must be skimmed, while roots remain on the bottom.

AMAZING Aquatic Weed Removal with The WeedGator! - YouTube
Weed Gator Demo Fish Lake �52212 - YouTube

Similar, and a perspective on the type(s). "T-Weeder":
Comparison of Different Lake Weed Removal Tools - YouTube

Is there an invasive that doesn't regrow from tiny bits? You don't win the war, but get great compost mat'l after each battle. :)
 

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