Price Check 2015 New vs 2016 New - Same Price?

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DCRanger

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John Deere 1025R
I received quotes for a new 1025R from a few dealers. Basically the dealers are quoting me approximately the same prices for a new 2015 as compared to a new 2016 model. They both would come with the new 6 year JD warranty. Dealer with the 2015 model is the closest and has many on the lot. Dealer with the 2016 model says they are out of '15 models and everything they are selling is a 2016 model year. That dealer is 1.5 hours away but would deliver for free. His price is about $200 more. I've already dickered with the dealers and they are at the final price.

Is there any difference features wise in the 1025R from 2015 to 2016?
Is it worth paying $200 more for a 2016 model year tractor?

Decisions, decisions
 
/ 2015 New vs 2016 New - Same Price? #2  
Model years don't really matter with tractors. If something changes, the model number changes.
 
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Any hours on the 2015? I'm rather "ano" and don't like test drive hours on a "new" anything that I am buying. If you own it for 3 years and decide to sell, the 2016 may bring in a few extra $$. I would go with the dealer you feel most comfortable with and not worry about the $200 either way.
 
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I don't believe the 2015 would have any hours. Not sure though but they have a few to choose from apparently. Agree the 2016 would maybe be a little better for resale.
 
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s219 has it right, there won't be a difference between the two. Tractors aren't like vehicles and, when it comes to re-sale, it's all about the 'hours'... especially when comparing '15 & '16 assembled rigs. I believe that both would be Tier 4 in NA, so you're not getting away from that.

Now your question needs to be which dealership has the best reputation for Service.
 
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s219 has it right, there won't be a difference between the two. Tractors aren't like vehicles and, when it comes to re-sale, it's all about the 'hours'... especially when comparing '15 & '16 assembled rigs. I believe that both would be Tier 4 in NA, so you're not getting away from that.

Now your question needs to be which dealership has the best reputation for Service.

Very good points! I'll look into the service reputation. Thanks
 
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My concern would be how long they sat out on the lots. With all the new safety switches, ultra fine wiring, and plastics that fade, I'd want one that spent very little time sitting out in the weather.
 
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My concern would be how long they sat out on the lots. With all the new safety switches, ultra fine wiring, and plastics that fade, I'd want one that spent very little time sitting out in the weather.
Another great point. When I visited the particular dealership who is closest, with the 2015 model, all their tractors were sitting out on the lot, like a car dealership. I wonder if these 2015 models have been sitting out all winter, which can't be easy on the components.
 
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Another great point. When I visited the particular dealership who is closest, with the 2015 model, all their tractors were sitting out on the lot, like a car dealership. I wonder if these 2015 models have been sitting out all winter, which can't be easy on the components.
That is the norm I would say. They all sit out, all year. When I shopped for mine in late 2006, I had to clear snow off them. I had a couple to choose from, but both were starting to rust in areas, had some fading of plastic and rubber parts, etc from sitting out for a year or more. I decided to order new and pay a little more, but mine today looks better than some of those did back then as far as fading and weathering goes.
 
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Just a clarification....there is no such thing as a model year on tractors. They have a model number and a date of manufacture, but that's it. In the vast majority of cases anything other than a very minor change leads to a model designation change. In fact, the paperwork for warranty is based upon the date of sale, not the date of manufacture, so even if it was made in 2015, when you buy it in 2016 the paperwork will reflect the 2016 date and serial number, not the date of manufacture.
 
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Just a clarification....there is no such thing as a model year on tractors. They have a model number and a date of manufacture, but that's it. In the vast majority of cases anything other than a very minor change leads to a model designation change. In fact, the paperwork for warranty is based upon the date of sale, not the date of manufacture, so even if it was made in 2015, when you buy it in 2016 the paperwork will reflect the 2016 date and serial number, not the date of manufacture.
I agree with what you are saying, but however true that may be, all things being equal in terms of price, hours, warranty, etc., when given a choice, human nature as it is, people will purchase the tractor with the newest manufactured date. Not to mention, a tractor that has been sitting out in the rain and snow, freezing and thawing, in northern MI for the past 6 months cannot possibly be in the same condition as a tractor that has not endured those conditions.
 
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I agree with what you are saying, but however true that may be, all things being equal in terms of price, hours, warranty, etc., when given a choice, human nature as it is, people will purchase the tractor with the newest manufactured date. Not to mention, a tractor that has been sitting out in the rain and snow, freezing and thawing, in northern MI for the past 6 months cannot possibly be in the same condition as a tractor that has not endured those conditions.

I'm not suggesting most people aren't going to pick the machine with the more recent manufacturing date, I'm just saying that there is no such thing as a model year on a tractor, and no real need for one. For all practical purposes, a few months difference simply isn't worth worrying about at all. There have been times when un upgrade was made on an existing model, and they didn't change the designation, but it's fairly uncommon. Since we're only a couple of months into the year, I'd be willing to bet that some of the "2016" machines that farther dealer has could have actually been made at the end of 2015...it's not like the salesman was out there looking at manufacturing dates if they even know where to find it (many are shockingly ignorant about details like that).

In some ways you'd have more concerns with machines out west that get a lot more sun/UV damage, and higher temps that cook anything rubber or plastic. My previous pickup spent 13 years outside in Maryland, and the paint, dash, interior all looked really good...not perfect, but really good. I moved to NM and after two years the paint was cooked off the roof/hood and the dash and interior were starting to fade.

If six months exposure to the elements causes any measurable degradation in the condition of a farm tractor, something is very wrong.

There have been cases of dealers selling tractors that had sat on their lot for several years (without telling the buyer) and I think that's something that should be disclosed, but that clearly isn't the case you're looking at.

Further, if you buy from the dealer 1.5 hours away, he's probably not going to haul it there for free if you need service/warranty work, and if you try to get the local dealer to handle it, you may not get a great response from them.

It's the exact same machine, the local guy has a $200 better price....there's really no downside to buying from the local guy.
 
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Thanks GmanBart! I appreciate the sanity check and candor.
 
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Dealer support & how you're treated has always been a factor buying my equipment, the service DEPT should be up to par as well.
I bought my 07 in 2011(158 hrs), it had been outside for 4 years, no rust, still shiny, it's still shiny today, it is kept inside though while not being used.

Ronnie
 
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Well I pulled the trigger today on a new 2016 1025R. Same price as he quoted me on a 2015. The local dealer was super great to deal with. Met all my needs. Configured with the H120 FEL, 53" bucket, 60D MMM w/auto-connect, and a 54" snowblower, R4s filled. Should be delivered next week with a full tank of diesel. Can't wait��.
 
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Well I pulled the trigger today on a new 2016 1025R. Same price as he quoted me on a 2015. The local dealer was super great to deal with. Met all my needs. Configured with the H120 FEL, 53" bucket, 60D MMM w/auto-connect, and a 54" snowblower, R4s filled. Should be delivered next week with a full tank of diesel. Can't wait��.

Local dealer, newer tractor, same price. You can't beat that!
 
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Well I pulled the trigger today on a new 2016 1025R. Same price as he quoted me on a 2015. The local dealer was super great to deal with. Met all my needs. Configured with the H120 FEL, 53" bucket, 60D MMM w/auto-connect, and a 54" snowblower, R4s filled. Should be delivered next week with a full tank of diesel. Can't wait��.

Congrats! Pics or it didn't happen :D
 
/ 2015 New vs 2016 New - Same Price? #19  
As others have already said, there won't any difference.
Local dealer is worth something.
Congratulations.:thumbsup:
 
 
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