Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck

/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,781  
I can vouch for their 60 gal. 5 HP 165 PSI Two Stage Air Compressor, I cant remember what I paid for it. But after 15 years my old 60gal died.. I replaced it two years ago with this one from HF. It is aired up 24/7 runs my cabinet sandblaster from HF without issue, runs all my air tools without issue and most importantly has not failed yet. It was a lot harder to install the auto purge into but that was an availability issue in my area and not directly related to the unit. It has operated flawlessly and so far has given me no indication that it will fail in the near future. I will add it is loud compared to my old unit. But it pumps up faster from drained on the occasion that I do drop it to zero.
Thanks Rick, that is the one I am targeting. The dB level advertised seemed lower than the next size down and I figured I wouldn't grow out of that but noise is always a concern. Thinking of trying to isolate it somehow to save my sanity a little longer.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,782  
It's generally not a design issue with HF... true enough the Chinese are great at cloning/copying. It's the QA part of the equation thus a bit of a reverse lottery. Odds are you will get a decent machine but if you don't... it's on you. The other issue is missing parts/replacement parts. They don't have the customer service that I want for big ticket items. That said, I spend money at HF regularly. My wife waits in the car because of the new plastic smell in the store. She can't handle it.
I agree though I get the impression their quality control is steadily improving. Certainly you want to put any HF device into use immediately and hang on to the receipt. Generally things that are poorly put together will break within the first month. As you note, there is virtually zero customer service or spare parts available for anything they sell. Their idea of customer service and spare part supply is to sell you an extended warranty which as we all know is simply a trade out replacement program.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,785  
I agree though I get the impression their quality control is steadily improving. Certainly you want to put any HF device into use immediately and hang on to the receipt. Generally things that are poorly put together will break within the first month. As you note, there is virtually zero customer service or spare parts available for anything they sell. Their idea of customer service and spare part supply is to sell you an extended warranty which as we all know is simply a trade out replacement program.
Yes poorly put together is one thing. With machinery, the dimensional tolerances are extremely important (moving parts). Tightly held manufacturing is key to quality. As cutting tools dull the hole sizes changes. If someone isn't watching tolerances and taking care of production tools (common problem with knock off companies trying to cut corners to sell cheaper) then bad apples come out the door from time to time. Customer squawks and then the copycat manufacturer figures out what particular dimension to hold is important and maybe tweaks their process. Usually the brand manufacturer has this already figured out in part of their production process hence the higher price for quality.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,786  
That, and I'll bet HF changes manufacturers for the same identical item when a QC problem appears. So when we discuss a purchase here, it may not reflect what the next customer experiences if that one came over on a different boat.

Overall they seem to be selling better designs. But the uneven quality, 'Some Assembly Required' (ie final QC verification), still leaves it the buyer's responsibility to determine if his item was built to spec.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,787  
Isn't the DR belt driven with a vertical shaft engine? Looks like the HF is shaft driven with a horizontal shaft engine.

yes, you are correct. I didn't see that until I looked closer at the manual. The DR has a very similar pin that attaches the mower accessory to the base power unit that pin is just to hold the two parts together. The DR mower accessory is powered via a belt.

I'm trying to figure out whether the HF version can pivot or if the PTO is a rigid connection. The DR pivots (that is the point of the pin) which is nice when working on uneven terrain.

Still, at $600, the HF is by far the cheapest walk behind brush mower out there.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,788  
My wife waits in the car because of the new plastic smell in the store. She can't handle it.[/QUOTE said:
I thought I was the only one... My wife does the same
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,791  
I'd be thinking that as I walk back to the house to get the tractor to retrieve the brush mower....
I'd be surprised if this thing isn't pretty reliable. Their generators using the same engine are reliable. The main reason to walk back to the house is because your arms are so sore from having the thing manhandle you. The DR is a real workout when cutting brush. I'm pretty sure the HF would be too.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,792  
I've been following them for a while. They are Honda clones. Not much is known yet about the twin but the singles are good from what I see. They are either good or bad right from the start. If you have any problem, exchange it for a good one. Lots of people are repowering old stuff with them. They are used in all their generators and they sell a ton of generators .... at least my store does.

A couple months ago I had to replace the engine in my 25+ yo log splitter. Local small engine mechanic told me the HF vertical shaft engines are junk, but he's had good luck with the horizontal shaft ones (which was what I needed). Nearest store is a 5+ hr round trip so I ordered the 6.5 hp Predator online. $119 + $7 shipping...couldn't have fixed the old one for that. A "name" engine would have cost several times that. Only issue was that the shaft on the new engine was 3/4" longer than the old B&S...just needed to mount the hydraulic pump on spacers. So far I've split 7+ cords with it, and it's still going strong...we'll see how it stands up long-term. I should be done splitting all the wood I have before the warranty runs out.

Starts on the first pull, much quieter than the old B&S and is good on gas. The pull start assembly can be removed and rotated, a nice touch, especially since the way it came the handle faced right into the beam of the splitter. Even had 5/16-24 threads tapped like the old one (I was concerned I might have to get metric bolts for the pump, but no).

Their $7 shipping is s-l-o-w. Granted, it ships from California and I'm in New England, but it took 2 weeks to get here. Good thing I wasn't in any real hurry...:rolleyes:
 
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/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,793  
My company has a factory in Shenzhen and people from our office go there pretty often. I've learned over the years with our company and also with my own research in things like Plasma cutters etc., that there are core factories in China that make say castings and those castings are made for high dollar name brand companies back in the US and they also supply mom and pop shops in the US. Same part. Difference being the big name company has quality people there watching and inspecting and the mom & pop shop may not. Same goes with things like electric motors etc., some of the same ones go into DeWalt & HF stuff.

When I was researching my plasma cutter, I started noticing the sheet metal, power switch, oil separator, ground clamp etc. was identical on a bunch of different models with different companies names on them or different colors etc. Spec. sheets and duty cycles are all the same too so I'm betting they use the exact same inverter or reference design and just dress them up for product differentiation but under the hood a lot of them are all the same.

I looked at expensive rotary piston hydraulic motors. The name brand ones are made in China for a name brand company and the exact same factory will sell the same motor in a different color for a lot less than the name brand. Pretty crazy.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,794  
I have a HF wood splitter. It has the 212cc Predator. So far I have 11.8 hours on it. It starts on the first pull. It seems like it is going to be a good engine. I'll put it up against any homeowner grade briggs, kohler, honda, or kawasaki.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,795  
I have a HF wood splitter. It has the 212cc Predator. So far I have 11.8 hours on it. It starts on the first pull. It seems like it is going to be a good engine. I'll put it up against any homeowner grade briggs, kohler, honda, or kawasaki.
I'll take the bet. My Honda wood splitter motor has several hundred hours and still starts on the first or second pull. It doesn't have a hour meter on it, but it has split about 500 rick of wood. We have 3 more Honda motors 2 on pressure washers and the push mower. Those also start easy, but they have minimal use since I hate pressure washing and push mowing. The Kohler motor on the Dixie chopper has 820 hours and still starts on the first revulsion. The Kawasaki motor in the Mule has 475 hours and starts on the first revulsion.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,796  
I'll take the bet. My Honda wood splitter motor has several hundred hours and still starts on the first or second pull. It doesn't have a hour meter on it, but it has split about 500 rick of wood. The Kohler motor on the Dixie chopper has 820 hours and still starts on the first revulsion. The Kawasaki motor in the Mule has 475 hours and starts on the first revulsion.

I doubt any of those engines are homeowner grade.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,797  
I doubt any of those engines are homeowner grade.
The Honda motor is the cheapest motor Honda makes at about $250. The other two motors fit the brand you specified.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,798  
Its interesting. The engine has a horizontal shaft and two belts. The belts drive the transmission forward or reverse.

There's a PTO shaft sticking out of the front of the transmission that drives the blade when engaged.

Any shear protection? I can't see anything but a pin that locks the pto shaft to the implement. If you smack something hard with the blade, you have several shafts, gears, gearbox, another shaft, a 4th shaft, transmission, wormgear, etc... before the drive belts will slip.

On the DR, the blade is belt driven, isn't it? That would provide slip.

If it sounds like I'm picking it apart, well, yes, I am. I've been disappointed with lots of their stuff over the years. And I've been satisfied with lots of their stuff, too. I've been burned by their positive reviews on products as well. So, I'm highly skeptical.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,799  
I have a HF wood splitter. It has the 212cc Predator. So far I have 11.8 hours on it. It starts on the first pull. It seems like it is going to be a good engine. I'll put it up against any homeowner grade briggs, kohler, honda, or kawasaki.

Is that the new 20 ton that splits in both directions? I've been hearing good things about that one and have been watching it.
 
/ Harbor Freight Tools that don't suck #4,800  
Its interesting. The engine has a horizontal shaft and two belts. The belts drive the transmission forward or reverse. There's a PTO shaft sticking out of the front of the transmission that drives the blade when engaged. Any shear protection? I can't see anything but a pin that locks the pto shaft to the implement. If you smack something hard with the blade, you have several shafts, gears, gearbox, another shaft, a 4th shaft, transmission, wormgear, etc... before the drive belts will slip. On the DR, the blade is belt driven, isn't it? That would provide slip. If it sounds like I'm picking it apart, well, yes, I am. I've been disappointed with lots of their stuff over the years. And I've been satisfied with lots of their stuff, too. I've been burned by their positive reviews on products as well. So, I'm highly skeptical.
Yes the DR belt drive will slip if necessary. Not as necessary as on a tractor though as you are mowing at walking speed with a clear view and unlikely to not see a stump or big rock. I did a lot of mowing with my DR and don't recall ever needing to rely on slipping the belt.

I do agree that HF plays games with their reviews. I have submitted negative reviews on a few items that were never posted.
 

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