BX25D engine brakign vid

[RaydaKub]

I must be really weird. I never use the brake except to park it or shift from hi to low (ie. too steep to climb a hill in high gear). I keep my foot on the go pedal all the time. When I want to stop, I rock my foot backwards. Sometimes I almost hit it into reverse. When I go backwards and want to stop, I rock my foot forward. Sometimes I almost hit it into forward (but it is rare that I actually change direction either forward or backward). I maintain control at all times with the angle of my foot. Stopping is not an issue because my foot is in the right position for what I need.

I guess if you had a 2 pedal system, that might not be as cool, but with the a rocker pedal, I just don't rely on the mechanics to know what I want.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

I must be really weird. I never use the brake except to park it or shift from hi to low (ie. too steep to climb a hill in high gear). I keep my foot on the go pedal all the time. When I want to stop, I rock my foot backwards. Sometimes I almost hit it into reverse. When I go backwards and want to stop, I rock my foot forward. Sometimes I almost hit it into forward (but it is rare that I actually change direction either forward or backward). I maintain control at all times with the angle of my foot. Stopping is not an issue because my foot is in the right position for what I need.

I guess if you had a 2 pedal system, that might not be as cool, but with the a rocker pedal, I just don't rely on the mechanics to know what I want.

That's a good habit to develop. Unfortunately, most of us don't do it that way. I think I'll work on developing that habit.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

I have a BX 25D and it actually starting rolling down the hill fast when it was off. When I say fast it has always kind of slowly jerked down a slight incline. This was a fast jerky roll. This was a couple of weeks ago and hasn't done it since and actually forgot about it until I read this post. Not a steep hill and of course the parking break was not on. Is that normal?

If you had it in rabbit/high probably normal and the purpose for the locking emergency brake

I had no idea it was supposed to stop. I keep my foot on the brake when going down a steep hill.

An HST is supposed to stop going level, up, down hill by removing foot from the pedal. I to keep my foot on the brake going down hill on the BX25D but never have on any other Kubota HST.

I must be really weird. I never use the brake except to park it or shift from hi to low (ie. too steep to climb a hill in high gear). I keep my foot on the go pedal all the time. When I want to stop, I rock my foot backwards. Sometimes I almost hit it into reverse. When I go backwards and want to stop, I rock my foot forward. Sometimes I almost hit it into forward (but it is rare that I actually change direction either forward or backward). I maintain control at all times with the angle of my foot. Stopping is not an issue because my foot is in the right position for what I need.

I guess if you had a 2 pedal system, that might not be as cool, but with the a rocker pedal, I just don't rely on the mechanics to know what I want.

Rocker or two pedal system has never been a difference to me. I press down forward to go forward and let off pedal to stop on all Kubota HSTs I've owned. I press backward on pedal or separate pedal to go back and release my foot to stop on all Kubota HSTs I've owned........until this BX25D which stops pretty quick (properly) most of the time in reverse after Kubota master mechanic adjusted it but some times, mostly, I release my foot in forward and it keeps going after Kubota master mechanic adjusted it twice. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG for a Kubota HST. Shouldn't have to brake or bump to forward or reverse to get it to stop, release the foot pedal should make it STOP!

 

[k0ua]

If you had it in rabbit/high probably normal and the purpose for the locking emergency brake


An HST is supposed to stop going level, up, down hill by removing foot from the pedal. I to keep my foot on the brake going down hill on the BX25D but never have on any other Kubota HST.



Rocker or two pedal system has never been a difference to me. I press down forward to go forward and let off pedal to stop on all Kubota HSTs I've owned. I press backward on pedal or separate pedal to go back and release my foot to stop on all Kubota HSTs I've owned........until this BX25D which stops pretty quick (properly) most of the time in reverse after Kubota master mechanic adjusted it but some times, mostly, I release my foot in forward and it keeps going after Kubota master mechanic adjusted it twice. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG for a Kubota HST. Shouldn't have to brake or bump to forward or reverse to get it to stop, release the foot pedal should make it STOP!

Agreed, the 3 brands ( New Holland, Kubota and now Kioti) of Hydrostatic equipped tractors I have owned all stopped when you let your foot off of the directional pedals. Two were treadle pedals, and the Kioti is the 2 pedal system. Doesn't matter if you are level, reverse downhill, or forward downhill.. They all have stopped. As I mentioned earlier after a few seconds they will "drift" downhill when the oil pressure in the hydro drops after stopping. This is a slow movement downhill as gravity takes its toll. If you stop on level ground and do not touch a pedal, the tractor will stay put all day. I believe this to be correct operation. I have never run a hydro tractor into anything because the hydro failed to stop the tractor when the pedal was centered. In fact if you yank your foot off of the hydro pedal and your forward speed is fairly fast the stop can be very abrupt. Enough to pitch your body forward some out of the seat. You learn to release the pedal in a smooth controlled manner unless you want the stop to be abrupt. My two cents worth of observations.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

Agreed, the 3 brands ( New Holland, Kubota and now Kioti) of Hydrostatic equipped tractors I have owned all stopped when you let your foot off of the directional pedals. Two were treadle pedals, and the Kioti is the 2 pedal system. Doesn't matter if you are level, reverse downhill, or forward downhill.. They all have stopped. As I mentioned earlier after a few seconds they will "drift" downhill when the oil pressure in the hydro drops after stopping. This is a slow movement downhill as gravity takes its toll. If you stop on level ground and do not touch a pedal, the tractor will stay put all day. I believe this to be correct operation. I have never run a hydro tractor into anything because the hydro failed to stop the tractor when the pedal was centered. In fact if you yank your foot off of the hydro pedal and your forward speed is fairly fast the stop can be very abrupt. Enough to pitch your body forward some out of the seat. You learn to release the pedal in a smooth controlled manner unless you want the stop to be abrupt. My two cents worth of observations.

I share the same two cents wit you.:thumbsup::drink:

 

[RaydaKub]

I share the same two cents wit you.:thumbsup::drink:

I'm not saying your evaluation of the system is wrong. I think on a brainiac level I agree. I'm just saying for me, it hasn't ever mattered.

 

[rjkobbeman]

I have a BX2370-1 and I think there are two issues in play here:

1. When I let off of the pedal, it takes longer than I like for the pedal to return back to center/neutral position. Until the pedal returns to neutral, the tractor moves. Sometimes it is quicker and sometimes it is slower. This seems to vary depending on how warm the HST is. It also seems to vary based on how fast I was going before I took my foot off of the pedal. Not sure why or if I am dreaming.

2. Once the pedal has returned to neutral, the BX does stop... however if I am on a hill, it will slowly creep. Faster than I like, but not a real big deal.

My previous Scotts/JD/Home-Depot (built by JD) mower was HST and would creep slowly down hill, however it would return to neutral pretty fast. This is what I would expect.

My only other HST experience was on a New Holland. It was equivalent in size to a large L or small M Kubota. When you took your foot off of the pedal it stopped NOW... and did not move on an incline. This is how I would expect all HSTs to operate. Wish my BX did.

I am going to mull over my WSM and see if I can make any adjustments myself... knowing the behaviors going on here and what I would like them to be. Since it is mowing season, and it is something I can deal with for a while, I don't feel like taking it to the dealer... yet.

 

[chucky79]

I have a BX2370-1 and I think there are two issues in play here:

1. When I let off of the pedal, it takes longer than I like for the pedal to return back to center/neutral position. Until the pedal returns to neutral, the tractor moves. Sometimes it is quicker and sometimes it is slower. This seems to vary depending on how warm the HST is. It also seems to vary based on how fast I was going before I took my foot off of the pedal. Not sure why or if I am dreaming.

2. Once the pedal has returned to neutral, the BX does stop... however if I am on a hill, it will slowly creep. Faster than I like, but not a real big deal.

My previous Scotts/JD/Home-Depot (built by JD) mower was HST and would creep slowly down hill, however it would return to neutral pretty fast. This is what I would expect.

My only other HST experience was on a New Holland. It was equivalent in size to a large L or small M Kubota. When you took your foot off of the pedal it stopped NOW... and did not move on an incline. This is how I would expect all HSTs to operate. Wish my BX did.

I am going to mull over my WSM and see if I can make any adjustments myself... knowing the behaviors going on here and what I would like them to be. Since it is mowing season, and it is something I can deal with for a while, I don't feel like taking it to the dealer... yet.

My bx2370-1 is the EXACT SAME WAY! After hearing JohnThomas describe it I tested over and over and it does the same as yours rjk. NOW....ive never had it roll into a truck or anything like JohnThomas but then again ive never had a loader yet. After thinking about this and all these stories im considering jumping to a B2301 when I buy my next one. Ive saved towards my bx25d upgrade but wonder if a B might be a better investment at this point. Scared to think how a tractor will react loaded on my hill or when im clearing those 3 acres of woods im buying or even worse, in a few years after warranty expires when one of my sons is using the tractor..... anyone heard of the same issue on any other series?

 

[chucky79]

I know there is an adjustment in the service manual as Ive read it myself. Do you think stiffer springs or upgraded spring could help? Also, do you this stopping as center and holding when centered is an issue you could claim lemon laws on? What kinda input are you getting JohnThomas on this issues since you have had yours in the shop for it multiple time already?

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

I'm not saying your evaluation of the system is wrong. I think on a brainiac level I agree. I'm just saying for me, it hasn't ever mattered.

You need to update your signature which says you have a BX2230 and no mention of a BX25D

I know there is an adjustment in the service manual as Ive read it myself. Do you think stiffer springs or upgraded spring could help? I don't know what would help or fix it, that's why I drove it over to the dealer for their mechanics that have worked on Kubotas for years to fix it. No, I think the dealer mechanic would have done something that simple
Also, do you this stopping as center and holding when centered is an issue you could claim lemon laws on? No interest in lemons but it's all or almost all BX25Ds, not just mine
What kinda input are you getting JohnThomas on this issues since you have had yours in the shop for it multiple time already?

Haven't had in shop but one time. I went down and tried it after their first adjustment and wasn't satisfied and showed them that it was still doing it and left the tractor. Returned a few days later and tried it again and better but still doing it so I said I'd take it since they had nothing else to offer and master mechanic said he adjusted it to the maximum and had no further adjustment or anything else he could do to make it any different. I will continue to ask Steve Barlow if Kubota has ever sent a fix but I'm sure he'll contact me if they do. Doubt Kubota will fix it or send fix for already sold units as long as no one or very few of us complain or refuse to buy them when they roll on like this. I'm signing papers for my my new zero ZD326rp this coming week and I will ask again if a repair solution has been sent.

 

[sandyc]

My hst pedal does not quite return to neutral, That means that once I let off the pedal it almost stops but once it gets to where the pedal is still engaged it creeps until I blip the reverse pedal and force/ persuade it into neutral. I am looking to remove the damper and see if that is where the hang up is. I can live with it though and am used to blipping the pedal if I have been going forward and want to stop or change direction. there appears to be a very small window for neutral in the 3350. I mentioned in a previous thread that I have lubed the dickens out of everything to no avail.....

 

[Mysfyt]

It doesn't stop abrupt when foot is taken off the pedal it keeps coasting That is the BX25D. I WANT it to stop and NOT KEEP COASTING WHEN I TAKE MY FOOT OFF THE PEDAL like an HST is supposed to do.
I also mentioned the abrupt stop in the BXxx50 series of days gone by, different machine (NOT THE BX25D that is the topic here) but was just an example of some Kubota engineering mistakes.
I've owned several HST Kubotas and this one, the BX25D, is WRONG, flawed, not right because it
doesn't stop when the foot pedal is released, it keeps coasting right into the truck that I'm trying to load
a two bottom plow into the bed. It stops when the brake pedal is pushed which has been moved to the
left side from the right side where it has been for the 12 years that I've owned HST
I saw No flip flopping in my post. I did NOT LIKE the ABRUPT STOP in the BXxx50 series in reverse that no other HST Kubota did (One I owned several years ago a BX2350 not the BX25D I own now). It would snap ones back/neck and COULD NOT be feathered out with the pedal like all other Kubota HSTs could be done, feathered out to a gradual stop.
I DON'T LIKE THE COASTING (TALKING ABOUT CURRENT BX25D NOW AND NOT THE 50 series of bygone
days) in forward when the pedal is released on the BX25D that I now own because no other HST
Kubota that I've ever owned has done it.

Does your BX2370 keep going when you release the pedal on a level surface or slight decline or stop

Could you post some pictures of your pedal arrangement and how you did this? Moving the brake pedals to the left side makes a lot of sense to me!

 

[chucky79]

Haven't had in shop but one time. I went down and tried it after their first adjustment and wasn't satisfied and showed them that it was still doing it and left the tractor. Returned a few days later and tried it again and better but still doing it so I said I'd take it since they had nothing else to offer and master mechanic said he adjusted it to the maximum and had no further adjustment or anything else he could do to make it any different. I will continue to ask Steve Barlow if Kubota has ever sent a fix but I'm sure he'll contact me if they do. Doubt Kubota will fix it or send fix for already sold units as long as no one or very few of us complain or refuse to buy them when they roll on like this. I'm signing papers for my my new zero ZD326rp this coming week and I will ask again if a repair solution has been sent.

Thanks, I guess it if was that simple then your right, they would just change. Im still wondering if its a "return to center/spring" or if it might actually be a hydrostatic pump and hydraulics issue. Might be something that adjustments cant fix just like you the 50 series. Thanks and keep us posted on what Mr. Barlow says.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

Thanks, I guess it if was that simple then your right, they would just change. Im still wondering if its a "return to center/spring" or if it might actually be a hydrostatic pump and hydraulics issue. Might be something that adjustments cant fix just like you the 50 series. Thanks and keep us posted on what Mr. Barlow says.

I don't think it's a return to center spring since it returns to center and just keeps coasting. I'll post if I hear of any fixes. I believe Kubota will fix it in the newer production models if potential customers will order one that doesn't coast.

 

[RaydaKub]

You need to update your signature which says you have a BX2230 and no mention of a BX25D

Does that mean that k0ua needs to buy one, too?
Tractor
Kioti DK35se Hydrostat

 

[k0ua]

Does that mean that k0ua needs to buy one, too?
Tractor
Kioti DK35se Hydrostat

I would not mind having one..I have seen the time working in the front yard, the DK is a bit big. Usually something the wife wants done, involving flowers or mulch..

 

[chucky79]

I went and looked at the b2301's today at the dealer and compared them next to the bx25d and I found it odd the pedal on the larger b is stiffer to push and quicker to rebound. Not sure if or what that could mean just an observation. After messing with the b for 5 minutes I sat on the bx again and the HST pedal felt very smushy and soft.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

I went and looked at the b2301's today at the dealer and compared them next to the bx25d and I found it odd the pedal on the larger b is stiffer to push and quicker to rebound. Not sure if or what that could mean just an observation. After messing with the b for 5 minutes I sat on the bx again and the HST pedal felt very smushy and soft.

But did one stop and the other didn't when you released the foot pedal? Did both stop? Did they stop differently or the same? Did you talk to the dealer about your concerns or did you have any concerns?

 

[chucky79]

sorry john they were closed and I was just sitting on and looking at them to compare size and ergonomics mostly on the lot. I will be going back to drive both this week I hope. that observation I stated may not mean diddlysquat but it was just something I noticed...

 

[k0ua]

sorry john they were closed and I was just sitting on and looking at them to compare size and ergonomics mostly on the lot. I will be going back to drive both this week I hope. that observation I stated may not mean diddlysquat but it was just something I noticed...

Your present Kubota key on your key ring. would have likely fit anything on the lot.