Work UTV ... narrow down some choices please

[GolfAddict]

A $1000 dollar Sami will out work a RTV or Gator?? I guess you qualified that with "pound for pound, dollar for dollar" whatever that's supposed to mean.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I've had the Gator for a day, so I'm certainly not bleeding green over it... And anyone who's read my past posts will certainly not accuse me of being any kind of a JD groupie. But, I find it hard to believe that I could purchase a new complete front axle assembly for the samurai for cheaper than an individual axle shaft for a UTV. Perhaps you were exaggerating a bit.

I've owned and worked on lots of ATV's, and rebuilt some from the frame up. They are cheap and easy to maintain. Besides absolute destruction of a frame, I don't see how a UTV wouldn't outlast a $1000 used vehicle. Just because someone bought a $1000 used vehicle that is still on the road doesn't mean that every other $1000 used vehicle would do as well. You're also forgetting that it still isn't an actual UTV, and for most people that are shopping for a UTV, an automobile probably won't fit the requirements. It seems like you're over exaggerating to try to prove some argument... I don't get it.

I'm also wondering why, if the Kubota is built so much better than the Deere, why the ratings aren't better? Seems like Deere has had a lot of experience in this segment and Kubota is a relative newcomer ... In my reading, I didn't see frame strength issues come up with the Gator's... So I'm wondering what may be lacking compared to the Kubota? And, why are all of these municipalities buying and keeping the Gator's vs some other brands? So many questions. I'm curious to see how you'll make up an exaggerated answer for them this time.

I shall attempt to solve this discussion.

For $3900, you could have bought this Honda Passport.

2001 4WD Honda Passport 4 x 4 - reduced

Rip the doors and trunk lid off for ease in entry and exit and rock out to bluetooth radio and way better seats. Speaking of seats, you'll rip the all but the driver's seat out too because when you soar with the eagles, you soar alone. You'd enjoy, a reliable, multi-cyclinder engine and pushbutton 4x4ishness. Everybody who has ever purchased a UTV has been duped!

Honda Passports own this segment!

 

[ovrszd]

I've had the Gator for a day, so I'm certainly not bleeding green over it... And anyone who's read my past posts will certainly not accuse me of being any kind of a JD groupie. But, I find it hard to believe that I could purchase a new complete front axle assembly for the samurai for cheaper than an individual axle shaft for a UTV. Perhaps you were exaggerating a bit.

I've owned and worked on lots of ATV's, and rebuilt some from the frame up. They are cheap and easy to maintain. Besides absolute destruction of a frame, I don't see how a UTV wouldn't outlast a $1000 used vehicle. Just because someone bought a $1000 used vehicle that is still on the road doesn't mean that every other $1000 used vehicle would do as well. You're also forgetting that it still isn't an actual UTV, and for most people that are shopping for a UTV, an automobile probably won't fit the requirements. It seems like you're over exaggerating to try to prove some argument... I don't get it.

I'm also wondering why, if the Kubota is built so much better than the Deere, why the ratings aren't better? Seems like Deere has had a lot of experience in this segment and Kubota is a relative newcomer ... In my reading, I didn't see frame strength issues come up with the Gator's... So I'm wondering what may be lacking compared to the Kubota? And, why are all of these municipalities buying and keeping the Gator's vs some other brands? So many questions. I'm curious to see how you'll make up an exaggerated answer for them this time.

I try very hard to not exaggerate when posting. It's easy to do. In my area a front axle assembly for a Sami can be bought at a bone yard for anywhere from $200-$300 dollars. Stop by your JD dealer and price an axle shaft for your Gator.

Again, not flaming anyone. Just talking.

To call a Sami a "car" or an "automobile" is an exaggeration in the opposite direction.

I'll hafta do some research, but I doubt a Sami will weight anymore than a large chassis Kubota RTV. I'll get back to you on that one. But as I said earlier, everyone's needs and expectations of a UTV are different. I have a neighbor that has a Kubota RTV. He works the snot out of it. I'm sure right now it's performing a farm chore of some kind, or it's sitting out in the rain so muddy you can barely tell what color it is. Either way, the next time he requires it to work, it more than likely will. I've also got a neighbor that has a Gator. Has had Gators since they first came out. I'm positive he's on his 3rd, might be his 4th. Sometimes hard to tell. He too works the snot out of it and it never gets cleaned. Only maintained when it won't move. So, I'm not saying any brand is junk. Just saying there are large spreads of personal requirements/needs placed on UTVs. That's why there are so many variations. If I've made an error in this discussion it would be putting a Sami in the UTV class. Because as you stated, it simply is not. It's several levels above them in it's capabilities and broad range of uses.

As to your last paragraph, I'll let you explore those questions. I'll stick with a simple visual comparison of the two. That's usually enough. No exaggeration. No flame. Just simple mechanics.

As I've said before in many discussions. If you are happy with your purchase, I am happy for you. And I didn't even have to resort to insulting your character. :confused3:

 

[TSO]

I shall attempt to solve this discussion.

For $3900, you could have bought this Honda Passport.

2001 4WD Honda Passport 4 x 4 - reduced

Rip the doors and trunk lid off for ease in entry and exit and rock out to bluetooth radio and way better seats. Speaking of seats, you'll rip the all but the driver's seat out too because when you soar with the eagles, you soar alone. You'd enjoy, a reliable, multi-cyclinder engine and pushbutton 4x4ishness. Everybody who has ever purchased a UTV has been duped!

Honda Passports own this segment!

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDLFbDG3q2s

Um ... I can't imagine a world where this vehicle would be less expensive, long term, to maintain than a UTV... Just like his samurai comparison LOL. Additionally, the Gator uses a multi cylinder engine and push button 4wd.

 

[TSO]

I try very hard to not exaggerate when posting. It's easy to do. In my area a front axle assembly for a Sami can be bought at a bone yard for anywhere from $200-$300 dollars. Stop by your JD dealer and price an axle shaft for your Gator.

Again, not flaming anyone. Just talking.

To call a Sami a "car" or an "automobile" is an exaggeration in the opposite direction.

I'll hafta do some research, but I doubt a Sami will weight anymore than a large chassis Kubota RTV. I'll get back to you on that one. But as I said earlier, everyone's needs and expectations of a UTV are different. I have a neighbor that has a Kubota RTV. He works the snot out of it. I'm sure right now it's performing a farm chore of some kind, or it's sitting out in the rain so muddy you can barely tell what color it is. Either way, the next time he requires it to work, it more than likely will. I've also got a neighbor that has a Gator. Has had Gators since they first came out. I'm positive he's on his 3rd, might be his 4th. Sometimes hard to tell. He too works the snot out of it and it never gets cleaned. Only maintained when it won't move. So, I'm not saying any brand is junk. Just saying there are large spreads of personal requirements/needs placed on UTVs. That's why there are so many variations. If I've made an error in this discussion it would be putting a Sami in the UTV class. Because as you stated, it simply is not. It's several levels above them in it's capabilities and broad range of uses.

As to your last paragraph, I'll let you explore those questions. I'll stick with a simple visual comparison of the two. That's usually enough. No exaggeration. No flame. Just simple mechanics.

As I've said before in many discussions. If you are happy with your purchase, I am happy for you. And I didn't even have to resort to insulting your character. :confused3:

Gator weighs around 1400, samurai curb weight is roughly 2200 according to the web. Quite a bit heavier. The samurai has automotive components, electronics, highway built pieces. More like a car than a UTV.

Also, pretty ridiculous to base your "cost" argument on sourcing used parts from a bone yard. For so many reasons, it doesn't even justify explaining. You're better than that ... Be realistic.

And, again ... If the Kubota was built so much heavier, then shouldn't it be rated for higher specs? I don't need to research it, you're the one making the claims.

 

[ovrszd]

I shall attempt to solve this discussion.

For $3900, you could have bought this Honda Passport.

2001 4WD Honda Passport 4 x 4 - reduced

Rip the doors and trunk lid off for ease in entry and exit and rock out to bluetooth radio and way better seats. Speaking of seats, you'll rip the all but the driver's seat out too because when you soar with the eagles, you soar alone. You'd enjoy, a reliable, multi-cyclinder engine and pushbutton 4x4ishness. Everybody who has ever purchased a UTV has been duped!

Honda Passports own this segment!

Cute Eric, real cute. Not relevant. But cute.

I'll put you in the same category as TSO as in not having any experience around a Sami.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Um ... I can't imagine a world where this vehicle would be less expensive, long term, to maintain than a UTV... Just like his samurai comparison LOL. Additionally, the Gator uses a multi cylinder engine and push button 4wd.

It's a Honda, they never break!

Except for the odd condenser, transmission, and oil control rings, but those bad things won't happen!

 

[TSO]

Cute Eric, real cute. Not relevant. But cute.

I'll put you in the same category as TSO as in not having any experience around a Sami.

I owned a Ford Bronco II once (as well as full sized Broncos, rangers, etc) ... It was a nifty little truck thing. Did it have more capabilities than a UTV? Yup. Was it worth comparing to a UTV for the majority of users and tasks? Nope. Why? Because it's an automobile! Sheesh. Grow up.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Cute Eric, real cute. Not relevant. But cute.

I'll put you in the same category as TSO as in not having any experience around a Sami.

We've had two Sami. A red one and a white one.

They screw up. You simply don't know that a Honda Passport is better at doing what you think the Sami is good at.

 

[ovrszd]

Gator weighs around 1400, samurai curb weight is roughly 2200 according to the web. Quite a bit heavier. The samurai has automotive components, electronics, highway built pieces. More like a car than a UTV.

Also, pretty ridiculous to base your "cost" argument on sourcing used parts from a bone yard. For so many reasons, it doesn't even justify explaining. You're better than that ... Be realistic.

And, again ... If the Kubota was built so much heavier, then shouldn't out be rated for higher specs? I don't need to research it, you're the one making the claims.

Oh good, you did the research on the weight thing. So I'm guessing I was pretty accurate to claim the Sami weight as very comparable to the large chassis Kubotas. Rest my case there.

As for the parts discussion. Research bone yard prices for axle shafts for your Gator and get back to us.

I read back, no where have I made any claims about "specs". I pay very little attention to specs. Real life use and results are much more important to me.

Research the curb weight of a large chassis Kubota and report that compared to your Gator's 1400lbs and then we will continue which is "heavier" built.