TomSeller
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While true, the numbers of each brand in use would have to be taken into account. Those with low numbers in service that have a relatively high number of failures are not going to be the major brands.
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While true, the numbers of each brand in use would have to be taken into account. Those with low numbers in service that have a relatively high number of failures are not going to be the major brands.
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Touch'e
but
the fact that there ARE failures of major brands shows they break to.
and it does seem that some of the small Jinmas that were based on the 200 series platform that were later modified up to around 30 hp have seen more breakage than most,
but as greg g pointed out on ( tractor point )
As far as 4wd and the loader, the problem is a comparatively weak front axle on the Jinma 200 series. I say comparatively, because there are other Chinese tractors that you can use the loader and 4wd - that have a far far lower failure rate.
Anyway. Many Jinma 200 series owners have complained that they were denied warranty coverage for such failures, citing owner abuse. Honest and forthright dealers warn 200 series buyers up front of the potential for problems if/when using the loader in 4wd.
i think it should be taken into account that these are some of the least expensive 4x4 tractors available..
An active thread right now that shows major brand tractor makers have had substandard parts? design? of front axle components
( B2910 front wheel snapped off thread)...
i found this enlightening
My front loft wheel on my B2910 snapped of while clipping my field. It was a low-stress operation on the tractor. I found that it sheared from the axle on a poorly engineered and executed weld. The axle consists of a flange (to attach to the wheel) and a shaft, welded together and machined afterward to be the finished axle. The weld penetration on the inside was completely machined through, and the weld penetration on the outside was machined back to be less than .050" thickness. There was about .400" of interface with no weld penetration. This .050 of weld is what failed. The replacement axle was similarly fabricated, but at a larger diameter interface, with no obvious indication that the weld on the inside had been machined through. That indicates to me that the manufacturer became aware of this faulty design and took corrective measures for the new part. If this is true, I believe that the factory should have issued a recall and replaced them all for free. This could potentially be a very dangerous situation.
,,,,Thank you for the lucidity in describing this latent defect.
Chinese tractors are or at least- were- considerably less expensive than name brand machines.
There is no completely free lunch,
most buyers of chinese machines Know they will be doing the repairs themselves, and are ok with that.
I would be much more irritated buying a New or almost new and (expensive) name brand machine and then having problems that were not covered by a warranty or recall-
but
the fact that there ARE failures of major brands shows they break to.
and it does seem that some of the small Jinmas that were based on the 200 series platform that were later modified up to around 30 hp have seen more breakage than most,
but as greg g pointed out on ( tractor point )
As far as 4wd and the loader, the problem is a comparatively weak front axle on the Jinma 200 series. I say comparatively, because there are other Chinese tractors that you can use the loader and 4wd - that have a far far lower failure rate.
Anyway. Many Jinma 200 series owners have complained that they were denied warranty coverage for such failures, citing owner abuse. Honest and forthright dealers warn 200 series buyers up front of the potential for problems if/when using the loader in 4wd.
i think it should be taken into account that these are some of the least expensive 4x4 tractors available..
An active thread right now that shows major brand tractor makers have had substandard parts? design? of front axle components
( B2910 front wheel snapped off thread)...
i found this enlightening
My front loft wheel on my B2910 snapped of while clipping my field. It was a low-stress operation on the tractor. I found that it sheared from the axle on a poorly engineered and executed weld. The axle consists of a flange (to attach to the wheel) and a shaft, welded together and machined afterward to be the finished axle. The weld penetration on the inside was completely machined through, and the weld penetration on the outside was machined back to be less than .050" thickness. There was about .400" of interface with no weld penetration. This .050 of weld is what failed. The replacement axle was similarly fabricated, but at a larger diameter interface, with no obvious indication that the weld on the inside had been machined through. That indicates to me that the manufacturer became aware of this faulty design and took corrective measures for the new part. If this is true, I believe that the factory should have issued a recall and replaced them all for free. This could potentially be a very dangerous situation.
,,,,Thank you for the lucidity in describing this latent defect.
Chinese tractors are or at least- were- considerably less expensive than name brand machines.
There is no completely free lunch,
most buyers of chinese machines Know they will be doing the repairs themselves, and are ok with that.
I would be much more irritated buying a New or almost new and (expensive) name brand machine and then having problems that were not covered by a warranty or recall-
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I know I have worked my Kubota b7800 with loader quite a bit and have been good so far as no snapped axels, but I have had front axel issues in the form of the steering pivot seals going out on both sides and there is play on the one side. Mine had 1600hrs of use on logging roads, fields with woodchuck holes, and lifting 1000's of face cord of firewood. So I guess no complaints.
As for the Jinmas nortrac use to sell (2008) northern told me over the phone that there was a design flaw in the steering/front axel of the earlier nortracs. They said if you had a load in the bucket and tried to turn sharply or while not moving the steering/tie rods/ could fail and did a bit, that is one reasons they told me they switched to Fotons.
I have seen a jinma tractor and it was put through the ringer and still runs today, although it does have a hyd problem. As for the Fotons I have not been around them, but from all the research I have done on nortracs without actually seeing one, I feel they would be ok for the happy home owner, but I question if they would hold up to say commercial or heavy use.
With that being said, I would actually still like to demo a nortrac and learn more. I have the 35xt in my sights, but since I use my tractors a lot, I haven't persued one heavily. In my area I could actually get a used Kubota with say 500-700hours for about $17,000 that would be comparable to the nortrac 35xt. so used Kubota or new nortrac??? I am use to kubotas, so that is where I tend to go to, but if I was around a Nortrac more, maybe I would like them too. I really feel a Nortrac would be a nice tractor for occasional use, but I know of A LOT more major brand tractors with well over 1000 hrs on them then I know of nortracs.
As for the Jinmas nortrac use to sell (2008) northern told me over the phone that there was a design flaw in the steering/front axel of the earlier nortracs. They said if you had a load in the bucket and tried to turn sharply or while not moving the steering/tie rods/ could fail and did a bit, that is one reasons they told me they switched to Fotons.
I have seen a jinma tractor and it was put through the ringer and still runs today, although it does have a hyd problem. As for the Fotons I have not been around them, but from all the research I have done on nortracs without actually seeing one, I feel they would be ok for the happy home owner, but I question if they would hold up to say commercial or heavy use.
With that being said, I would actually still like to demo a nortrac and learn more. I have the 35xt in my sights, but since I use my tractors a lot, I haven't persued one heavily. In my area I could actually get a used Kubota with say 500-700hours for about $17,000 that would be comparable to the nortrac 35xt. so used Kubota or new nortrac??? I am use to kubotas, so that is where I tend to go to, but if I was around a Nortrac more, maybe I would like them too. I really feel a Nortrac would be a nice tractor for occasional use, but I know of A LOT more major brand tractors with well over 1000 hrs on them then I know of nortracs.
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i do want one, not a buyer yet, but them and kioti are the 2 i'm looking at.
I'm going to get thru the winter i think with my old loader tractor before i pull the trigger. My old loader tractor is pretty rough.. but then i got it as a cheap non runner at auction and resurected it with no money invested, just time and spares. it's a beater of a tractor and loader.. but still working ( wood knocking sound ). it had quit on me 2 weeks ago and I thought it was done, but i got her going again. last time it quit, it it was stuck valves and pushrods, not a hard fix. I had some spares left over from another tractor that i had bought that had a bad case of stuck valves and funny shaped push rods...
I'm going to get thru the winter i think with my old loader tractor before i pull the trigger. My old loader tractor is pretty rough.. but then i got it as a cheap non runner at auction and resurected it with no money invested, just time and spares. it's a beater of a tractor and loader.. but still working ( wood knocking sound ). it had quit on me 2 weeks ago and I thought it was done, but i got her going again. last time it quit, it it was stuck valves and pushrods, not a hard fix. I had some spares left over from another tractor that i had bought that had a bad case of stuck valves and funny shaped push rods...
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"Get Thru The Winter...."
Are those harsh in Central Florida? :laughing:
Are those harsh in Central Florida? :laughing:
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They are pretty brutal. I'm one county north of him, and I've already had frost.
Frost on work truck windshield, and that was 11/3/14; so we have frost nov, dec, jan, feb, and march. 5 months of winter... if they spoke English anywhere south of I-4 I would think about moving to warmer climate
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Sound guy knows all about these Chinese made tractors. At least he'll buy one knowing their limitations and have a reasonable expectation of it. That said, I still have the farmPro 2420 with the two cyl diesel. It's still running and the gm alternator is still on it that I swapped in replacing the Chinese junk lol. I did have to put another battery on it. So have now put three batteries through it in 11 years of its life. Overall it's a good enough machine for our use cutting grass and towing logs at times. I would recommend one to anyone who is a handy man type of a hobby farmer. You just have to be able to wait for your online parts guy to help you out. (Mr affordable) lol
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3 batteries in 11 years? Must be that GM alternator lol, my CHINA (2002) Battery had finally needed replaced in Jun/July of THIS YEAR. It was the battery that came in the crate from China, I filled it with NAPA acid & charged it. Put in some of the battery saver anti sulphate chemical stuff (2 doses) and had left key on 3 or 4 times fully killed it and had Hyd short out the starter post cranking it over leaving the battery with 0 measured volts 3 years ago... Managed to recover it with proper charging methods all those time. Last time was a broken cell which is un recoverable without opening it up and attempting to reconnect that broken cell connection point... Just not worth it with fact that when ya turn the key ya want it to RUN. The NEW battery had some MODS done first to move it away and down in front away from Radiator and added NEW Better Cables along with some other fixes I wanted to do. Pulled flushed Rad and did overall bolt tightening etc.'
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