Dealer "New" 2210d

[bmaverick]

Bmaverick, I had my heart set on the 2610d but I just could not reach that high. I have been catching cattle for market and crunching numbers just to get the 2210d. 4wd was a must for my place and that really added to the price. I hate to subject my future 2210d to my place but I certainly have a lot of important work cut out for it.
I want to say that if the VN tractors were considerably cheaper they would likely be a good value. I would have passed regardless due to the amount of hours I will have to work it and the fact that I finally understand that for ranches and daily use/heavy use, it is often the case that cheaper stuff is often really more expensive.

The middle of the road then would have been the Yanmar F20D from Fredricks. It's a 3-clinder, thus the torque would be more at the same Hp as the YM2210D. Just a few hundred more in price as both are 4WD. If you could swing that price, it's a better deal.

I had a JD 850 as a trade in (aka YM2500), thus I could swing the YM2610 deal.

The US dollar is getting less and less in buying power value. Prices keep going up on items like this, not because of the demand nor rebuilt costs. The import prices for these machines are inching higher every couple months. It's best to buy sooner this year than next year.

 

[paddywagon]

bmaverick, I agree, but Fredricks' F20D is about $900 more and my understanding was that the 3 cylinder was more quiet and smooth and same hp, but the torque was actually better in the twin cylinder YM 2210d? All that aside the 900$ was too much more. Anyway, it is too late, my 2210d is already on the way I think!
BTW, everyone on here has been really friendly and welcoming and I greatly appreciate that.

 

[California]

It sure seems to me that my YM240 - essentially the same 2-cylinder engine as a 2210 - is designed to give huge torque clear down to low rpm. It feels like the torque is constant across a broad range and choosing the right rpm is nothing more than deciding how fast you want to go. I almost never get it into the upper third of its rpm range.

In contrast, my 3 cylinder YM186D doesn't have this gutsy feeling at all. Apparent torque is minimal at low rpm like a home lawnmower, then increases proportional to rpm. There's plenty of torque above 2000 rpm, but it just feels like it was designed to run all day in the higher ranges.

I'm comparing 24 hp to 18 hp here, but I expect the difference in torque at say 1400 rpm is far more than just the proportion of those two numbers.

 

[normde2001]

Those "in the know" have always said in engines of equal size, a 2 cyl. will have more torque, 3 cyl. quieter and smoother. It's pretty well-known that F series have notoriously weak, near impossible to get, ring and pinion gears.

 

[bmaverick]

Those "in the know" have always said in engines of equal size, a 2 cyl. will have more torque, 3 cyl. quieter and smoother. It's pretty well-known that F series have notoriously weak, near impossible to get, ring and pinion gears.

I'm only going by what a Yanmar engine in a John Deere 650 CUT 2cly is compared to a Yanmar engine in a John Deere 850 CUT 3cly does. The 3cyl out does the 2cyl easily. Now, the weird thing is, his 2cly is much quieter than my 3cly.

Glad to know the info about the F series ring-n-pinion gears. I too would avoid that now knowing this.

 

[bmaverick]

Anyway, it is too late, my 2210d is already on the way I think!
BTW, everyone on here has been really friendly and welcoming and I greatly appreciate that.

That's good news! Is it coming by Fredricks delivery or by a third party transport?

 

[clemsonfor]

i have always been told the FX series does not have as good of parts support as the YM that and its more complicated and ours are way simpler...compared to the old 8n style tractors and a newer ford tractor say a 2000 or ever newer than that. Still somewhat simple and reliable but just more to go wrong.

 

[bmaverick]

i have always been told the FX series does not have as good of parts support as the YM that and its more complicated and ours are way simpler...compared to the old 8n style tractors and a newer ford tractor say a 2000 or ever newer than that. Still somewhat simple and reliable but just more to go wrong.

Yes, that is true to a certain extent. Fredricks does restore a few of the FX machines too. They have parts as well. If they have parts, then Hoye has access too.

 

[winston1]

I'm only going by what a Yanmar engine in a John Deere 650 CUT 2cly is compared to a Yanmar engine in a John Deere 850 CUT 3cly does. The 3cyl out does the 2cyl easily. Now, the weird thing is, his 2cly is much quieter than my 3cly.

Glad to know the info about the F series ring-n-pinion gears. I too would avoid that now knowing this.

The 650 is 14.5 pto hp. The 850 is 22 pto hp. I don't understand your comparisons. My brother has a little 650 and it is a pulling little machine for it's size.

 

[bmaverick]

The 650 is 14.5 pto hp. The 850 is 22 pto hp. I don't understand your comparisons. My brother has a little 650 and it is a pulling little machine for it's size.

I wasn't comparing PTO Hp by any means. Mainly comparing the ability to pull a plow or loaded hay wagon or a box blade. Or pulling my truck out of the ditch. (that was a weird event. haha)

 

[paddywagon]

Well, those guys at Fredricks can't be stopped. They found a guy closely associated with them to bring my 2210d to me on Friday. 96 hours after I ordered it they got it to me 700 miles away. Right on time I took delivery and drove it home. Absolutely world class delivery and initial interaction with Fredricks.
The tractor is beautiful. It runs great and the Lowery cutter runs great after I checked all grease and oil was in place.[it was] I struggled to level out 3pth and cutter but got it finally. bmavrick, it has a 2T90 engine. The manual says to run cutters in 1st pto gear only, but I noticed you mentioning using 2nd pto and keep rpms down. Is that an option with this little 2 cylinder? It is super strong by the way.
I run a 250 acre wildlife/cattle operation[75 acres to mow in mosaic patterns, trail cutting and multiple small food plots]I will be trying to take care of this thing while working it to the max. Already have 2 hours on it.

 

[bmaverick]

bmavrick, it has a 2T90 engine. The manual says to run cutters in 1st pto gear only, but I noticed you mentioning using 2nd pto and keep rpms down. Is that an option with this little 2 cylinder? It is super strong by the way.
I run a 250 acre wildlife/cattle operation[75 acres to mow in mosaic patterns, trail cutting and multiple small food plots]I will be trying to take care of this thing while working it to the max. Already have 2 hours on it.

SWEET !

As for the 3pt hitch, if the lower arms have additional side holes you can move the two lift arms to those holes to allow the lower arms to hook up with the implements. I had to do that after taking delivery. Also, when I had visited Fredricks, I picked up an aditional lift arm that can adjust. Thus, for right and left are adjustable. This makes the box blade tilt even more. ( I can make ditches really easy now.)

Glad you got the 2T90. It's a little stronger than the 2T80. It may be the engine piston stroke distance as the pistons are the same diameter. The John Deere 650 2cly uses the 2T80. So parts should be alright to still find down the road.

As for the tiller running with the PTO at a higher rpm, did you ask Fredricks what PTO speeds your machine is capable of. Bobby or your sales person can forward that into to you. My YM2610 has 4 PTO speeds. If yours only has 3 PTO speeds, chances are the second one may be a bit too fast.

Yes, you will love that tractor very much since it behaves just like NEW.

 

[paddywagon]

Thanks for the info. This tractor has 4 pto speeds. I will ask Bobby about that. Very interesting about the JD650. That is good to know. I will put a few more hours on it tomorrow and update if anything amiss. So far flawless.

 

[winston1]

The pto speeds for the 2210 are 547,709,928,1231rpm. Not positive, but I believe those are at 2600rpm engine speed. I base this on the parts manual giving ground speed ratings at 2600rpm. A little math states 540 pto rpm could be achieved at 1980 engine rpm on the 709 setting. Turning a rotating piece of equipment higher than recommended rpm is dangerous.

 

[normde2001]

!st pto gear @ 2200rpm.

 

[bmaverick]

Thanks for the info. This tractor has 4 pto speeds. I will ask Bobby about that. Very interesting about the JD650. That is good to know. I will put a few more hours on it tomorrow and update if anything amiss. So far flawless.

For the 4 speed Yanmar PTO speeds are as follows:

1=542
2=685
3=1005
4=1268rpm

These are at 2200 + engine rpm.

A JD 650 is a nice machine. My neighbor who helped my search for a tractor has one with a FEL. His looks really new since it's shed kept like the only below. These have a few tire sizes that work well. So, some will look lower or higher off the ground.

 

[winston1]

!st pto gear @ 2200rpm.

Normde, where do you get that information? Going back and looking at 2210B and 2210 parts manuals I see the PS is 22 @ 2600rpm. A little research indicates the 22 is actually hp. Right below that section in both manuals is the ground speeds but no engine rpm is mentioned. I just assumed the 2600rpm above was used for ground speed. No engine speed indicated in either manual where the pto speeds are listed.

 

[normde2001]

That's what my dealer told me 13 years ago, and has been well-publicized on the forums. Might be in the YM240 ops manual.

 

[kenmac]

For the 4 speed Yanmar PTO speeds are as follows:

1=542
2=685
3=1005
4=1268rpm

These are at 2200 + engine rpm

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Those are the same PTO and engine RPMS that Danny Parker sent me for my 3110 several yrs ago

 

[bmaverick]

Those are the same PTO and engine RPMS that Danny Parker sent me for my 3110 several yrs ago

Bobby has sent me a scanned document from the original Yanmar technical manual. Much is in Japanese , but the numbers are easy to understand. It has the PTO, fluids quantity, engine rpms, and such.

Hey, the YM3110 is a great machine too! It has the 3T84 engine. Very similar to the John Deere 670 3TN84. These are strong engine workhorses.