Got an interesting letter from the RCMP today

[tcartwri]

I deal with international certs almost daily.

You have no idea how crazy the world is getting regarding import and export labeling and rules.

Canada has been one of the worst with WHMIS.

Look it up, these rules make it near impossible for small business to do business

Part of doing business. And fwiw CSA and UL standards are virtually identical, where passing one, usually means a pass in the other.

 

[Coyote machine]

Here's my take on what I've read here. I don't own a welder of any brand at this time.
My understanding from working with an international boiler manufacturer back in the '70s is that UL and CSA are agencies that give a yay or nay on approving certain electrical items and other items but do not endorse or recommend one item over another. Their mission is to make sure that the item or number of items in a component PASS an inspection for the item/component to be used for a particular purpose with a specified AC, DC, plug or similar. This is a serious business, and non-compliance, or lack of a UL label can stop a product from coming to market. It seems to me that if, for an example, the wiring for a particular welder, dryer, or other 240V appliance is ambiguous as to what plug should be used, AND the same appliance has NOT PASSED the UL lab tests, AND/OR the approval process has denied an approval because of concerns for safety or other factors within their jurisdictional scope, a bogus, fraudulent labeling of the product must be resolved, and consumers who bought the product in good faith must be made whole by the product manufacturer, especially if somewhere in the manufacturer's scope of responsibility they were aware or made aware of the issues.
The difficulty comes in enforcing the manufacturer to take responsibility, especially in today's cut costs to the bone mentality, and often deny, deny, deny, until they are forcibly held accountable.
For example, in the news currently: GM ignition switches. How long? Who knew? When did they know?

Is a %age of original product cost a fair deal to the consumer who is out a welder? Want more? DEAL DIRECT with the company and get what you can, or sign onto a class action if one ever arises. Otherwise it's like spitting into the wind.

The UL label does NOT mean you can't get shocked, or die, or anything other than a standard set of tests have been passed and the product is approved to be sold and used for it's intended purpose.

 

[aczlan]

Didnt realise I was under oath?
Source Everlast Welders:
[SNIP/]
"That is what I am told. Wire sizing was mentioned, there are a range of products subject to the recall, and the details on each could vary. They have continued to sell the products regardless of the findings, so people should know what is going on before they consider a purchase. "
Everlast Welders

Again hearsay and scuttlebut.
A readable copy of the letter so that one could contact the RCMP officer to get exact details would be useful.
A copy of an email from someone at the RCMP or Everlast explaining the exact details would also be useful.
As for the "They have continued to sell the products regardless of the findings" if they found and fixed the problem 2 years ago, why shouldn't they continue to sell new welders? Should they close their doors and fire all their employees for a problem that they have fixed?

As for your link problems:

Read my last update. Since I posted that post you completely deleted all reference to the thread on your server end. It was a link that worked this morning, albeit to a now locked and hidden thread. You should have record of it, YOU posted in it. Perhaps you have so many alts you dont know which one you used? TO help you out, you posted under the user "Performance". Its no longer just locked and invisible based on privilege . You must think we're stupid to think its just a coincidence.
I see an awful lot of coincidence and excuses on your end. "Server update", "bad link", "stupid chinese factory couldnt tell the difference between CE and CSA"... You guys seem to have your share of bad luck

YOU posted the following link:

http://forums.everlastgenerators.com...3832/#post53832

Its missing some important parts of the URL. It should look like this:

http://forums.everlastgenerators.com/forums/showthread.php/5030-Canada-Recall-Notice?p=53891#post53891

Notice the missing

/forums/showthread.php/5030-Canada-Recall-Notice?p=

in your link? That's why its not working, you missed part of the link, not anything that Everlast did.
I joined the Everlast forum last night and had no problems accessing the link in Mark's post at any time.

Aaron Z

 

[tcartwri]

Canada has been one of the worst with WHMIS.

The US and Canada are virtual partners in this type of legislation. Saying it is something uniquely Canadian is incorrect.

 

[FredH]

Lets See , Scooby074 writes " GFY " in this thread then in other thread he writes " Miller only recently changed the labels on machines with less than 95% USA made content to comply with federal labeling rules. Im not real happy about it, but I'd sooner see Assembled in USA of US and Foreign components then Assembled in china with chinese components. " . Foreign - What Exactly does that Mean ? Or more Importantly " Were " is " Foreign " ?

I really could care less about this thread except I , like some others are bewildered WHY the OP brings it here rather than talk directly with the company . I don't own a Everlast machine , But many here do and I don't see anybody else having any issue's .

13 pages of wasted Space :confused3:

Fred H.

 

[wroughtn_harv]

Absolutely fascinating reading, I will be watching this closely.

 

[scaredychicken]

"I would be happy to sell you my everlast pa200, but the police have sent me a letter telling me to take it to the dump as quickly as possible. "

Don't do that:thumbdown: (probably not your intent), as that would just get rid of the evidence . It might be needed in the class action years from now.

 

[wroughtn_harv]

Lets See , Scooby074 writes " GFY " in this thread then in other thread he writes " Miller only recently changed the labels on machines with less than 95% USA made content to comply with federal labeling rules. Im not real happy about it, but I'd sooner see Assembled in USA of US and Foreign components then Assembled in china with chinese components. " . Foreign - What Exactly does that Mean ? Or more Importantly " Were " is " Foreign " ?

I really could care less about this thread except I , like some others are bewildered WHY the OP brings it here rather than talk directly with the company . I don't own a Everlast machine , But many here do and I don't see anybody else having any issue's .

12 pages of wasted Space :confused3:

Fred H.

Hmmmm, it's pretty obvious that the OP (original poster) didn't get a reasonable response from the company and grabbed the bullhorn to express his dissatisfaction.

 

[3930dave]

I'll throw you a little bone. UL certs are not required in the US. UL is an independent lab, and most if not all welder companies do not have certs from them. That is where the issue lies in Canada, Canada requires units to be registered with a private organization. That does not fly in the US.

Interesting.

If not UL, are any technical safety certifications required on welders sold in the USA ?

Rgds, D.

 

[aczlan]

Hmmmm, it's pretty obvious that the OP (original poster) didn't get a reasonable response from the company and grabbed the bullhorn to express his dissatisfaction.

Did the OP contact the company to give them a chance to make what he considered to be a reasonable response, or did he come here first?
He says that he got the letter "today" yet it appears that the letter is dated 24 April 2014.
If it arrived on the 5th, that would appear to show the RCMP sat on this letter for over a month. If so, is it a major safety concern like its been made out to be?

Aaron Z