Got an interesting letter from the RCMP today

[lilranch2001]

And thank you for that!

 

[murphy1244]

And thank you for that!

Your very welcome!

 

[lilranch2001]

Mack, maybe he was simply making a point that a lot of us US Citizens no longer put a lot of trust in government, where you Canadians may still trust your government

You really do seem to mistrust a lot tho........

 

[rjmack]

Mack, maybe he was simply making a point that a lot of us US Citizens no longer put a lot of trust in government, where you Canadians may still trust your government

You really do seem to mistrust a lot tho........

why would I mistrust Everlast?

oh, right... they lied through their teeth, to myself and many others, and are now trying to weasel their way into an opportunity to turn their fraud into a profitable venture by leveraging it to sell new machines at a slightly reduced margin.

and when I say I want my money back, shills on this board hurl every form of insult my way.

I still want my money back.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Guys, (rjmack in particular) I have regular duties that don't allow me to respond to every posted snide comment all day. RJmack apparently has a job that allows him to do this. I am not going to react to every jab that is poked my way.

scoobydoo and rjmack might be interested that the thread in question was moved back into the original place so all can read the thread under the announcement section and the official comment from Everlast is posted in a STICKY in that thread as well. Keep in mind this is posted on the US run forum...it is not Canada's forum.

Here are the links....discuss among yourselves:Everlast Canada Campaign Bulletin No ...1 Canada - Recall Notice

 

[lilranch2001]

why would I mistrust Everlast?

oh, right... they lied through their teeth, to myself and many others, and are now trying to weasel their way into an opportunity to turn their fraud into a profitable venture by leveraging it to sell new machines at a slightly reduced margin.

and when I say I want my money back, shills on this board hurl every form of insult my way.

I still want my money back.

I was not referring to your mistrust of Everlast, you may or may not have a valid complaint, so far I have not seen anything that says one way or the other.
What I was referring to had you read that entire post was your mistrust of the intent of Shield's post regarding Canadians.

Honestly every post you make makes me lean more and more in Everlasts favor.

You are one very negative dude

 

[Shield Arc]

Mack, maybe he was simply making a point that a lot of us US Citizens no longer put a lot of trust in government, where you Canadians may still trust your government

You really do seem to mistrust a lot tho........

Thank you! Saved me a lot of typing.

when I say I want my money back, shills on this board hurl every form of insult my way.

You keep saying that. I'll let you in on a little secret. I worked off shore construction all my life. I've been called way, way worse.

 

[dragoneggs]

You still have not supplied a clearly readable copy of the letter so as to be able to determine the accuracy of your quote that you posted in an earlier post:

"This notice is the result of an investigation conducted by the RCMP,'The investigation determined there were counterfeit CSA certification marks affixed to the above noted models of Everlast welders.'"

Let us take it for the moment as FACT that your excerpt, that I quoted above, is indeed what was in the not clearly readable photo of your RCMP letter. In the statement that you quoted as coming from the RCMP you state that it says clearly that: "...there were counterfeit CSA certification marks affixed...". No where does it state that Everlast was guilty, charged with, convicted, or admitted that they were part of the counterfeiting, thus they could not have been caught as you state. You have not supplied any language from the unreadable RCMP letter that states that they were caught counterfeiting themselves only that the items had counterfeit marks.

If all is true as stated, then Everlast "may" very well have liability for not insuring that their suppliers were in compliance with said CSA requirements. They may or may not have been defrauded as well by their suppliers in China. Have you considered that? They still have the obligation to try to make it right, IMO.

You on the other hand have made some very inflammatory statements, not supported by the facts currently presented, and have accused in a public arena a company with statements that if proven false could very well result in a libel suit being brought against you. Canadian law as well as US law have many remedies that both the individual and corporations can take to defend themselves from libel and slander.

In no way am I suggesting that you stop your pursuit of a remedy to your situation but I suggest that you curtail any statement that you can not prove that maybe found to be libelous if you want to protect yourself from future legal risk. You could have brought all this information up and discussed it without making claims/statements that do not appear to be supported by the evidence.

Please continue to post in your thread the information as it develops but contain your emotion and do not make statements that may come back to bite you. While it is not likely (IMO) that Everlast would pursue this avenue, you may have opened yourself up to things that you will regret. Your statements should be supported by facts, not opinion, not emotion. Read the excerpted statement that you quoted from the unreadable photo of the RCMP letter carefully and understand what it means not what you think or want it to mean.

Do as you wish. I would suggest keeping a level head and please keep your emotions in check when dealing with other members and with Everlast if you want a positive outcome.

I could, but am not going to, quote the case law in which individuals have been found at fault for what they have posted on public forums and in one case even in a private posting. Be careful.

Well said Furu... my sentiment as well. Good unbiased advice to OP. I do hope he gets his money back and move on. The 'certification' issue is a very serious one and this needs rectification. Often it is the certs that separates the 'knock offs' from the original. Doesn't necessarily mean lower quality but it definitely could.

With respect to SA, the OP is out of line. I don't recall SA commenting on the certification or falsifying issue. I believe he was commenting on the capability of the machine based on his own experience. Why the OP wants to attack him is beyond me. Hypothetically speaking here... if a particular model of a machine has problem, it doesn't mean that everyone experiences this and thus can't have positive (contrary) things to say about it.

From what I have learned so far from listening to many here is that Everlast makes some nice welders with great value. With respect to the certification, the full story doesn't appear to be written.

 

[Scooby074]

I do not know what is really going on with this story but with an illegible photo of a letter by the OP and the history of you Scooby074 badmouthing every off shore welder in many post here on TBN, I became interested in the thread and seeing what is going on.

You complain about the Everlast thread not being there (post 53832). With a couple of minutes of research I found the subject post 53832. It is still visible and available. You failed to provide a link that would take you there due to a bad URL link, not any nefarious activity by the board moderators. It was the #4 post in the thread and your statement: "Now its completely purged and no longer exists on your server" is totally false. When a individual makes a false and misleading statement it make one question everything else they say as being incorrect as well. Now I no longer can accept what you post a being factual as you are making claims that I have determined to be false.

I am interested in facts, not wild hair-on-fire claims. I am truly interested in the story and where it goes but I want to see facts not demonstrable falsehoods.

At the time of post 4 the threads in question were not publicly visible. It was deliberately moved and the link was broken. Mark has admitted moving it back. Now it works again. You do know that threads are easy to move by a forum administrator with a keystroke dont you? And just because its visible now does not mean it was visible then.

I suppose if I actually gave a crap about your opinion I could have screen shotted the error page but then you'd say that it was illegible like the letter that I can read perfectly. Others have posted that the link was broken as well.

And its not libel or slanderous to report facts. The fact is there was fraud involved on Everlast's part. They applied approvals to their devices which were not earned, over several years, on many products. These facts come from the RCMP. It doesnt get much more official than that.

I suggest you get your eyes checked if your having difficulties reading the RCMP letter. Its all spelled out in black and white...

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Scooby,
I did not admit to moving it back. I said it was moved back. I think this points to an inability on your part, in general, to comprehend and discriminate/parse what was said and not said, either that or an outright willingness to say things that aren't so just to inflame and libel. I did not move it. 1) if you read the document, no fraud or intent to fraud was indicated 2) No where has Everlast CA itself applied anything, you are making that up completely. The document does not cite that. The factory applied them and if you will read the statement on our forum, that is documented as to how that started 3) I guess many years is open to interpretation, on many products is as well. 4) We also have laid out what happened to in the release. Voluntary recalls don't happen unless there is full cooperation.

A word of advice, this doesn't concern you unless you initiated the complaint...so, all you are doing is ruining your credibility either way.