LOAD THE TIRES OR NOT ?

[cyrusgh]

Hello All. Just bought at G3033 H.. with FEL and Backhoe.. If all goes well will have it delivered in Mid May.. cant wait.

This forum really helped with the decision making process.. so thank you all !

I have one last decision to make.. to load the tires or not.. to just use Calcium C or pay triple the price and fill them up with Beet Juice or maybe some sort of weight box on my hitch ?

My thoughts are this.. when the backhoe is attached.. I dont think I need the extra weight in the tires.

Without the backhoe.. from everything ive read.. seems that some additional weight is a must..

What are the thoughts out there.. do you think a removable weight box would be good enough ? Is BeetJuice worth the money ?


Any thoughts or comments would be most appreciated..

Thank you

 

[LD1]

Yes without the BH, weight on the back is a must IF you plan on using the front loader.

You can get by without weight in the tires if you come up with something heavy for the back. And a 500# box blade on a tractor that size isnt what I call heavy.

Another thought, do you plan on trailering the unit around? If so, you may want to look at total weight and what you can haul. Filling the tires may put you over.

If you do fill, ask about windshield washer fluid. It is cheaper than beet juice, but not corrosive like calcium.

IF you hardly ever plan on taking the hoe off, and when you do it is only for mowing or whatnot that you can also remove the loader, there is no harm in not loading them.

 

[GManBart]

Loading the tires is good for traction, but won't take weight off the front axle when using the FEL. It will help keep the rear tires on the ground, but you'll still be heavily loading the front axle, and not know it. With the BH on, you wouldn't need any kind of additional weight, but without it, you'll want something heavy on the 3pt...I'd want 750lbs or more on that machine. If you're using the loader (even just filling it with dirt), and you don't have anything on the 3pt, it's causing more wear and tear on the front axle that eventually somebody has to pay to fix.

I've had machines with, and without loaded tires, and I like to avoid it if possible. I definitely don't want calcium chloride, because it's so corrosive that a tire puncture normally means you've got to empty the tire, unmount the wheel, pull the tube, clean everything off, and then start over....pretty slow. With unloaded tired you can normally use a simple patch kit, plug the hole, pump it full of air, and be back in business in a few minutes. You have to do some of the same with beet juice, but it's not the emergency it is with CaCl.

 

[azranger]

I have the g3033 and I used 1 gallon of antifreeze per tire and filled the rest with water. I used the gimplers tool to fill them with water.

 

[murphy1244]

Since you have a Backhoe you want to load the tires for stability.

 

[Looking4new]

I think that beet juice is worth every penny you pay for it. It wont destroy your rims like chloride will. It wont destroy the land like chloride will and it is not hard on pets/farm animals feet either. IF you are around Barrie, ON there is a NH dealer there that will fill your tires for you for a price.

 

[antlers125]

Definitely would. I did the Beet Juice on my own - it is not as difficult as you may think. If your dealer will sell it to you? It took me about 3hrs. including changing valve stems. If you have any questions PM me.

 

[BSHfieldmaster]

Use the beet juice, it's well worth the price over calcium, safer than calcium, anti freeze or washer fluid both for the ground and especially for any of your dogs or cats, it's freeze point is -35

 

[vtsnowedin]

Yes on the Beet juice in the rears and have the right amount of weight on the 3PH when loading anything heavier then snow. The right amount is probably in the owners manual for the loader. Also consider having the tires set to a wide setting if yours has adjustable rims. This improves stability when you have a load up in the bucket.

 

[Citydude]

I paid $2.20 a gallon for beet juice where I live for my rears on my L3400. $30.00 for labor brought it to $145.00 total. A very low cost for safety and stability. Please check around each dealer for pricing. They vary greatly.

 

[Gary Fowler]

Since you have a Backhoe you want to load the tires for stability.

Some manufacturers don't allow loading of tires when a back hoe is used. MY Kubota B26 TLB is one of them. You don't really need the extra weigh with a back hoe anyway and loading the tires wont help much since you already have much more weight with the backhoe installed than you would ever get with liquid ballast.

Check your owners manual prior to putting any type of liquid in the tires. IF you need weight for a function after removing the backhoe, build yourself a ballast box, concrete is fairly cheap at about $4 for 90 pound bag.

 

[Guesseral]

I haven't decided just what I am going to do yet. One of my other tractors has loaded tires and when we farmed we always had the rears loaded for traction, but we always used calcium and had to replace several rims it's like the calcium goes right through the tubes. I know it really doesn't go through the tubes but that is what is seems like. With the newer tractors and tubeless tires I would only load a tire after installing a tube in it, just because I don't want any liquid directly against the steel rim also because if you use rim guard or even a high concentration of anti-freeze and loose the seal on the rim you loose everything you have in there and have to buy new! I know that you can loose the seal on a tubeless tire or even the stem pretty easily believe it or not. I would have lost everything last summer when I ran over a tree branch while brush hogging and it came up and broke the stem off of the tubeless tire. Just this weekend I had to take the front tire off (although I would never load a front tire) and take it to the tire shop and have it resealed because I Just couldn't put enough pressure to the hard R4 tire to seal it, they even had some trouble. I have know idea just how it came off of the rim we used it to hall some firewood one day and the next day it was flat and off the rim? So a tube is what I would do if I loaded my rear tires just because, well just because I am me! I will probably just make a ballast box myself, or maybe load the rear tires or both? :confused3:

 

[vtsnowedin]

I haven't decided just what I am going to do yet. One of my other tractors has loaded tires and when we farmed we always had the rears loaded for traction, but we always used calcium and had to replace several rims it's like the calcium goes right through the tubes. I know it really doesn't go through the tubes but that is what is seems like. With the newer tractors and tubeless tires I would only load a tire after installing a tube in it, just because I don't want any liquid directly against the steel rim also because if you use rim guard or even a high concentration of anti-freeze and loose the seal on the rim you loose everything you have in there and have to buy new! I know that you can loose the seal on a tubeless tire or even the stem pretty easily believe it or not. I would have lost everything last summer when I ran over a tree branch while brush hogging and it came up and broke the stem off of the tubeless tire. Just this weekend I had to take the front tire off (although I would never load a front tire) and take it to the tire shop and have it resealed because I Just couldn't put enough pressure to the hard R4 tire to seal it, they even had some trouble. I have know idea just how it came off of the rim we used it to hall some firewood one day and the next day it was flat and off the rim? So a tube is what I would do if I loaded my rear tires just because, well just because I am me! I will probably just make a ballast box myself, or maybe load the rear tires or both? :confused3:

I think you have achieved a "paralysis of analysis". That's OK we will be interested in what you finally choose and how it works out for you.

 

[cyrusgh]

Hi guys.. Thanks for all the responses.. decision made.. will load the tires with beet juice... and no tubes. Turns out the beet juice is not as expensive as I thought.. works out to $2.75/ Gallon - installed + $100.00 for the guy to come out . now its just the wait till mid may for delivery !!

Thanks again

 

[Citydude]

Hi guys.. Thanks for all the responses.. decision made.. will load the tires with beet juice... and no tubes. Turns out the beet juice is not as expensive as I thought.. works out to $2.75/ Gallon - installed + $100.00 for the guy to come out . now its just the wait till mid may for delivery !!

Thanks again

Nice!