Redneck in training
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Hey, I even speak Russian. I think I confused Kraz with ZIL in my previous post.
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Hey, I even speak Russian. I think I confused Kraz with ZIL in my previous post.
ArtMech
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I'm nearly to forget this language, but you still speak!! :laughing::laughing:
Yes, ZIL trucks had V8 gas engines. Say "had", 'cause maybe they started to fit diesels meanwhile in the mass production of their trucks, what I don't know.
Look at this if you haven't seen it yet: Slava Saakyan envisions a New ZiL Limo for Russian President Medvedev and his entourage - Carscoops. Looks like they want to come back with the limos.
Renze
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imported as a dirt cheap Russian army surplus sale. Then put a 40kmh sticker on it and registered it as an agricultural vehicle. Emission norms were absent in Holland too when that truck was built, and the emission that was valid in the year of manufacture, counts.
There is only one guy driving it, it either has no, or poorly functioning power steering, a huge steering wheel and it needs muscle to steer it. As far as i know a big pig farmer bought it from army surplus and built the tank on it, sold it later to this contractor who uses it as a backup during the spring peak, when the maize fields have to be fertilised before planting.
In fact the comfort in that KrAZ is similar to farm tractors of that era.
Renze
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There were a few MTZ 80 tractors sold in my area in the 80s.. Not really a lot, mostly Ursus and Zetor, and a good bunch of Tatra 815 6x6 dumptrucks. Remember, i am from Holland, not the USA: In the USA you wont find any foreign truck, not USSR, not Euro. An American truck with a long bonnet is a rare sight in Europe because of length restrictions, and different understanding of comfort. Russian trucks are a rare sight anyway in Holland, i think the two from the contractor were purchased from army surplus by traders who wanted to export them to Africa, but somehow a farmer bought one to have a cheap means of manure transportation.
I also have to add, i have a certain interest in the Eastern technology. What i find is how consumer products like a Lada car was on the cheap (a license built Fiat 124 with 1.2mm sheetmetal instead of the 0.8mm which the original design used, the extra weight and the increased ride height to cope with Russian road conditions also causes the poor handling in corners) where a Kirovets K700 tractor was in fact better than many Western competitors, because it was designed as an army rocket tractor, with unlimited military R&D budget... And the smaller Kharkov T-150 tractor was not very reliable because it had to be developed on a lower budget for non-military products... Same with the combat tanks, the Russians had better tanks untill communism was nearing bankruptcy. The Russians were the first to travel space by their own means, when the American team didnt succeed they let Wernher von Braun and his team of captured POW German V2 engineers of the former 3rd Reich have their go, which resulted in a succesful moon landing...
In fact the 1957 Russian rocket technology is still the backbone for the international space program, after the 3rd or 4th generation of American space shuttle is canceled...
So many interesting facts, Westerners ofter laugh at Russians, while the Russian technology often succeeded, just their system failed...
The Russians were the first to travel space by their own means, when the American team didnt succeed they let Wernher von Braun and his team of captured POW German V2 engineers of the former 3rd Reich have their go, which resulted in a succesful moon landing...
Your post suggests the United States would not have been successful without the help of Von Braun and his scientists. Probably not as quickly but I suggest you do a little research on the Russian Space Program. The Russians also used captured German scientists and their technology. The Germans were years ahead of both the United States and the Russians in Rocket technology.
Your post suggests the United States would not have been successful without the help of Von Braun and his scientists. Probably not as quickly but I suggest you do a little research on the Russian Space Program. The Russians also used captured German scientists and their technology. The Germans were years ahead of both the United States and the Russians in Rocket technology.
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Redneck in training
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The Russians did the same. Used POW to build and develops all kinds of stuff. The difference is that Americans gave them credit and paid them while Russians didn't. I used to work in Russia (spent there several years all added together). I remember one event from 1979. If you looked or visited any building at that time you would see very poor workmanship. Crooked windows and doors, stairs half step of the floor, balcony that would fall off if you stepped on it etc. Then I went to visit Volgograd hydropower station. It was like stepping in another world. The floors were tiled with perfect tiles, the stairs matched the floor, the banisters were nicely made, and nothing was crooked there. It was designed and build by German POW after the war.
Volga Hydroelectric Station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Redneck in training
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What Saracenas says is exactly true. They (commies) would send people to gulag in Russia. Since Czechoslovakia didn't have gulags and imprisonment cost money the Commies in in Czechoslovakia had different system. They would punish somebody you cared about. They would give you wife a job nobody wanted to do. They would assign your children to a day care as far from your work and home as possible, they would do something bad to you brother or best friend. And told you: See what happened to them? That is your fault. There were many people who would make martyrs from themselves, threw themselves to jail just to cause troubles. But because they would bring misfortune on somebody else it was hard to do. It worked perfect. Unfortunately.
Speaking about tractors. My father was a forman in a machinery maintenance shop. When they had to repair a Russian made machine (in example buldozer that was a copy of Caterpillar) they have to make special tools because everything had imperial dimensions except all bolt and nuts that were metric.
BTW I still remember, 35 years later, every single item they had in a supermarket in Volgograd. It tells you it was kind of empty.
We should start another thread devoted badmouthing USSR. I have many stories to tell. Ha Ha.
Speaking about tractors. My father was a forman in a machinery maintenance shop. When they had to repair a Russian made machine (in example buldozer that was a copy of Caterpillar) they have to make special tools because everything had imperial dimensions except all bolt and nuts that were metric.
BTW I still remember, 35 years later, every single item they had in a supermarket in Volgograd. It tells you it was kind of empty.
We should start another thread devoted badmouthing USSR. I have many stories to tell. Ha Ha.
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Ladia, I know what is the meaning of #68 on the jersey of Jaromir Jagr's back :thumbsup: :laughing::laughing:
Renze
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Nevermind, i love to hear stories first hand, instead of hearing propaganda from either side...
Since a year or so, i got interested in political filosofies, also the viewpoints of American conservatives, Ronald Reagan, the declaration of independence and the bill of rights. Actually the founding fathers had great insight in the human nature, what happens when a government has too much involvement in peoples lives, how such system creates opportunity for evil dictators to rise.
Another funny thing is how Sergej Korolyov was taken back from the gulag to lead the USSR space program, also a prisoner: Soviet space program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Another funny thing is how Sergej Korolyov was taken back from the gulag to lead the USSR space program, also a prisoner: Soviet space program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/QUOTE]
You should have read this before you made the comment that the U.S. could not have gone to the moon without the German Scientist. Repeating my previous post both the U.S. and the Russians used captured German rocket scientists on their programs. Both countries were in a race for a dependable intercontinental missile to be used as a weapons platform.
You should have read this before you made the comment that the U.S. could not have gone to the moon without the German Scientist. Repeating my previous post both the U.S. and the Russians used captured German rocket scientists on their programs. Both countries were in a race for a dependable intercontinental missile to be used as a weapons platform.
Russian equipment is quite reliable. We bought our MTZ 820 in 2004., brand new and since then there were no major problems. I change oil at regular intervals, wash him and lubricate where necessary and can't complain at all. The machine has alot of power and great trasction in mud. It pulls a 3 furrow 16 " plough and a 36 disc harrow weighing almost a ton without any problems. So..I thing they did a good job
Redneck in training
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2004 was made after second revolution. Quality was not important but only number produced before the second revolution. Competitive pressure improves quality.
Renze
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...I did read it, but did YOU ?? Sergej Korolyov was NOT a German, neither any of his colleagues...
Korolyov used Germans to reassemble the soon to be obsolete V2 and its Russian successor, but no Germans had involvement in the R7 rocket program, nor the Sputnik project. The top dogs of German rocket engineering lead by Wernher von Braun fled into US conquered area because they knew the Russians were coming to their base, and they felt they were better off in US custody. When the land was divided into east and west, US teams had already shipped all the important stuff behind the later iron curtain, so the Russians had the base, but only the lesser engineers, and not the premium technology..... the US held the German top dogs back, first insisting on letting Americans do the job, but after failure let the Germans develop the Saturn rockets and the Apollo program. Von Braun led the US space program from 1960-1970. So, while both programs were based on German technology, it was between Russian and German designs...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST4emxOd9Qo
As said before, i like to hear inside stories and facts over propaganda from either side...
And i have deep respect for the Russian engineers that had all odds against them, imprisoned, under fear of being shot for failure, etcetera. Nonetheless they were mere slaves...
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Renze
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Thats why MiG's. T-55s and Soyuz were quite reliable, (cold war competition) and a lot of domestic use products were varying in quality quite a lot...
Indeed many Russian designs were copied American ones, they even disassembled a B-29 long range bomber screw by screw and copied every part of it into their TU-4, though it had its fair share of problems because the differences caused by rounding the dimensions proved essential...
Tupolev Tu-4 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Just like my experience with a non-technical chief that tells you to copy someone elses design, it seems simpler than it is because the design should be suitable for the production technologies and standardised materials or subcomponents available
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Redneck in training
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I started new thread devoted to the topic West versus East competition. Western versus Eastern technology competition
Renze
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well Bfreaky, any progress on the backhoe during christmas and new years holiday ??
I mounted all the hoses and disassembled the booms. There are a few little things I need to weld, and then paint the banana boom. As always, I have a full schedule at work and at home...that has to change as soon as possible... so I can finish this project
so I can finish this project
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Finally found some spare time...and here are the results. First boom welded and polished, cleaned up with a nitro solvent, and painted with 2K primer. Now she's gonna dry till next year , then I'll continue.
, then I'll continue.
