dave1949
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Buying Advice JD 5075E vs Kubota 7060 both with cabs
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Looks great! You're going to love that tractor.
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Being able to do multiple functions or not is controlled first by the method of plumbing the hydraulics. With a true 3rd function setup all three functions receive pressure or flow at the same time if activated. Action is only limited by the tractor's ability to provide gpm flow. JJ can correct me if I misquoted that.
As for my tractor, my FEL will curl and lift at the same time with little limitation of speed. When you add the 3rd function things slow down but still function. So if I'm picking up a Grapple full of loose brush for example, once in position, I push the button to close the Grapple and hold it, at the same time I curl the Grapple and lift the boom. All three functions are in operation and in one smooth move, without moving my hand from the joystick, I have a Grapple loaded with brush.
So you don't have to spring for the Cat 330, you just need the proper plumbing supported by adequate hydraulic flow.
Just want to put my perspective in here. Ovrszd, keep in mind that you have 17GPM to operate your 3 functions. Not that that is a huge amount, but for the majority of the tractors here on TBN, the GPM is less than 11 and a lot are only 7-9GPM. I know that my 7520 has a 17GPM implement pump and I feel like operating 2 functions at a time is slow, I can't even imagine how slow it would be to have fluid going to 3 functions at the same time.
Might as well go and have lunch and come back, maybe the 3 movements would be done by then. Obviously that is greatly exaggerated, but it makes my point. While having a true 3rd function sounds good, how practical is it really with our small utility tractors? I believe that many people, if not most do not honestly make full use of having the true 3rd function. I know that many guys that have it say that they do, but again how functional is it on a tractor with a low GPM pump? I'm probably way off, :confused3: and that is fine. Just how I see it with what I have comparing to others.
If anyone is looking for a custom 3rd function (diverter) or true 3rd function kit, you do not have to pay $700-$800. I happen to currently be selling them for less than $600.
Anyway, just my :2cents:
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Yep Brian, I totally understand what you are saying. But,,,, with my 17gpm I am operating a LOT larger cylinders than the smaller FEL/tractor with say only 10gpm. So I'm not sure that my gpm is why it works better. My Brother's L3240 FEL probably takes less flow to do two functions than mine does to do one. So I eat up the tractor GPM difference real quick.
It works better because all three circuits are open to pressure/flow at the SAME time. The pressure/flow might be slower than if only running one function, but they still are functioning. So when I'm lifting and curling and at the same time operating my 3rd function, my Grapple Bucket is lifting, curling and tightening it's grip with the Grapple simultaneously. With a diverter setup that is not possible.
Are you saying you can add true factory style 3rd function to an M9540 for less than $600??
It works better because all three circuits are open to pressure/flow at the SAME time. The pressure/flow might be slower than if only running one function, but they still are functioning. So when I'm lifting and curling and at the same time operating my 3rd function, my Grapple Bucket is lifting, curling and tightening it's grip with the Grapple simultaneously. With a diverter setup that is not possible.
Are you saying you can add true factory style 3rd function to an M9540 for less than $600??
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Yep Brian, I totally understand what you are saying. But,,,, with my 17gpm I am operating a LOT larger cylinders than the smaller FEL/tractor with say only 10gpm. So I'm not sure that my gpm is why it works better. My Brother's L3240 FEL probably takes less flow to do two functions than mine does to do one. So I eat up the tractor GPM difference real quick.
It works better because all three circuits are open to pressure/flow at the SAME time. The pressure/flow might be slower than if only running one function, but they still are functioning. So when I'm lifting and curling and at the same time operating my 3rd function, my Grapple Bucket is lifting, curling and tightening it's grip with the Grapple simultaneously. With a diverter setup that is not possible.
Are you saying you can add true factory style 3rd function to an M9540 for less than $600??[/QUOTE]
:thumbsup:No, up to 10-GPM. Over 10GPM needs a larger sub plate and the cost goes up $109. So it would be about $700 Maybe I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure that what some people are getting for 7-$800 with the 3/8" ports, these should not be rated for anything over 12-13GPM and those should not be used on anything bigger without taking a chance of cooking the oil. If a person runs their tractor hard, they really should have it set up properly, and that is not always done, even at the factory. (different story)
While you are absolutely correct about cylinder size, another thing to consider is ones ability to actually do all 3 functions at the same time evenly. I'm sure that what one is use to makes a huge difference with what their perception of speed is. What one person is used to working with at 25-30 GPM vs what another person is used to at 10GPM can be an enormous difference. Our 580 Case TLB uses the same size lift cylinders as my 7520. The 7520 feels like you are working at a snails pace.
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The crowd and lift functions on my JD400 are way quicker at the same time than th Kubota - this will take some getting used to. The JD has a 29 GPM pump tho...
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I wouldn't expect the owner of a new cabbed Kubota to have any regrets about not going green on the day his new tractor is delivered. They are, after all, both very competitive machines. It is how you feel about your purchase five and ten years out that would be the better question.
One thing I learned the other day while using my JD5045E with it's 553 loader. It will raise the bucket while curling it at the same time. I just hadn't needed to before and hadn't tried to do that. It would be a trick getting the third function which is a separate lever on the same side as the joystick open at the same time but I don't see much need to be able to open or close a bale hand or grapple while your raising the loader arms.
One thing I learned the other day while using my JD5045E with it's 553 loader. It will raise the bucket while curling it at the same time. I just hadn't needed to before and hadn't tried to do that. It would be a trick getting the third function which is a separate lever on the same side as the joystick open at the same time but I don't see much need to be able to open or close a bale hand or grapple while your raising the loader arms.
