START USING FULL SYNTHETIC ENGINE OIL AFTER 400 HOURS..2004 B7800??

[jodebg]

White diesel engine exhaust smoke is unburned frozen fuel particles in the exhaust stream - the combustion chamber is not hot enought to burn it. You should check to see if your glow plugs are working - check the relay first to see if it is working, then the glow plugs. I have not heard of white smoke on engine cranking unless the glow plugs are not working.

Good luck,

Thanks. How do I check to see if the glow plugs are working? When I turn the key to the first position there is a definite click coming from the engine area.

 

[TomSeller]

"BTW, Redline 5w-40 is not a diesel specific specked oil, their 15w-40 diesel oil is.".......

My manual calls for CE, CE, OR CF OIL. Dave at Redline said this would work in the diesel tractor. The 5w-40 is rated CF.

When I checked the API classifications on the Rotella T6 I did not see CF??

CF rated diesel oil was introduced in 1994. More recent ratings (with later letters such as CJ) are backwards compatible to CF. Rotella T6 is a great oil, don't worry about its rating for your tractor. Coyote Machine was giving you good advise on it.

 

[Coyote machine]

Thanks. How do I check to see if the glow plugs are working? When I turn the key to the first position there is a definite click coming from the engine area.

The click is the start/ignition circuit/relay(s) kicking in, It does NOT mean that your glow plugs are working. There is one plug for each cylinder and they should all heat up,(glow) for a preset (by timer, relay), period of time to preheat the combustion chamber prior to turning over the engine with the starter and creating combustion of fuel in the combustion chamber, aided by the glow plugs preheating of same. Without the preheating, under colder conditions the fuel that would otherwise be burned is subject to incomplete combustion, thus the resulting white smoke.

Re the Redline and Rotella, you can run whatever oil you want, but in my mind I'd rather have an oil specifically designed for a diesel engine in a 5w-40 diesel full synthetic using synthetic base stock, and additional synthetic and other proprietary ingredients, (than what Redline offers, a 15w-40 diesel oil), for the colder New England climate, and the price difference/easy availability of the Rotella from many local distributors. I'm sure the 5w-40 NON-diesel Redline is also a fine oil, but given the choice in either brand I would still tend to choose the diesel label product. Again, YMMV.:confused3:

I also suggest immediate purchase, or download, or both, of a service manual for your tractor. Study the glow plug circuit and learn about how it works and then fix it if it's broken. Hint: it's basically, in most systems, a timer relay and a bunch of glow plugs which are heated up by the ignition/start circuit via a position on the keyswitch which then allows amperage to pass to the busbar containing the glow plugs. If an individual glow plug is not working it will read on a VOM as an open circuit. Otherwise it will read within a certain range of resistance on the meter. When working on all cylinders it should render faster smoother starting than without it's use.
Now, do your homework, change the oil and filter, top off the antifreeze, and get the tractor out into the world and use it!:dance1:

 

[DeereMann]

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"I also suggest immediate purchase, or download, or both, of a service manual for your tractor. Study the glow plug circuit and learn about how it works and then fix it if it's broken. Hint: it's basically, in most systems, a timer relay and a bunch of glow plugs which are heated up by the ignition/start circuit via a position on the keyswitch which then allows amperage to pass to the busbar containing the glow plugs. If an individual glow plug is not working it will read on a VOM as an open circuit. Otherwise it will read within a certain range of resistance on the meter. When working on all cylinders it should render faster smoother starting than without it's use."

 

[sixdogs]

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Now, do your homework, change the oil and filter, top off the antifreeze, and get the tractor out into the world and use it!:dance1:

And post some pictures. A popular TBN saying is "without pictures, it didn't happen".

 

[WilliamBos]

"BTW, Redline 5w-40 is not a diesel specific specked oil, their 15w-40 diesel oil is."....... My manual calls for CE, CE, OR CF OIL. Dave at Redline said this would work in the diesel tractor. The 5w-40 is rated CF. When I checked the API classifications on the Rotella T6 I did not see CF??

CF is an old minimum spec, they are up to CJ now.

 

[jodebg]

Thanks for the information. Where can I find a trusted site to download a service manual?

I need to ask if you feel that the Redline 5w-40 will harm this diesel engine in any way? Don't want to do that!

For future reference, can I use Rotella T6 if it does not list CF?

 

[Coyote machine]

Thanks for the information. Where can I find a trusted site to download a service manual?

I need to ask if you feel that the Redline 5w-40 will harm this diesel engine in any way? Don't want to do that!

For future reference, can I use Rotella T6 if it does not list CF?

I believe Tom Seller already gave you a link to manuals for your tractor, pages back. No oil you put in the tractor is going to hurt it - RELAX, you're not dealing with a formula 1 race car!
Last time: CF is an OLD designation for oil, it's been superseeded by later letters from the alphabet, like:
I, J, etc. Backward compatibility means that a letter earlier in the alphabet like F is an obsolete spec, and newer specs have later letters. Your owner's manual oil requirements are OUT of date, from 2004 oil has progressed to later letters......

 

[Z71]

API Oil Guide, page 4 has current diesel spec's.

 

[WilliamBos]

API Oil Guide, page 4 has current diesel spec's.

Thanks!!