Interesting Towing Test

[schmism]

I think the goal was to take an off the lot pickup, load it near capacity

I think this is a great test of the trucks that are commonly sold to the public. I think there needs to be clear lines drawn between the differences in most commonly sold versions. (couldnt say that the most common version for toyota has a 4.30 rear....) but toyota does have a history of putting tall gears in trucks. the old 90's pickups came with 4.10 and if you bought the 4x package came with V6 (like mine) it came with a 4.56.

Its clear any FI truck would have an advantage pulling in the mountains.

I instead would have cared to see them pull a 9K PB travel trailer (rv). toyhauler would work well cause you could load something in the back to get the weight you wanted. I noticed a SIGNIFICANT difference between pulling my 10K equipment trailer with 4 ton of rock on it and pulling my empty 16' livestock trailer. the livestock trailer was a much harder pull due to wind resistance.

what would you say half the trucks pull these days? RV's and boats vs tractors or cars on trailers?

 

[ruffdog]

When the neighbor bought his EB he was told the 3.15 and 3.31 axles had the best tow numbers so he bought a 3.31. Being that he was going to use the truck to haul his horse trailer, I asked him if he got the 3.73 gears, then he told me what the salesman said. Whatever it takes to sell the units off the lot I suppose.

 

[jejeosborne]

My neighbor has a 2012 ecoboost that came from the factory with the CAC deflector shield. The shield is there to limit the air to the CAC so there is less condensation inside for the engine to digest. Being that water doesn't compress, that could be fatal for a engine. Look at the pics of this ecoboost.http://www.f150forum.com/f70/blown-ecoboost-wtf-pics-inside-170270/

Here are more pictures for you to see the inside of a ecoboost.2011 EcoBoost Failure

So you were able to find a couple ecoboost engine failures on the Internet. I guess I could google in about 5 seconds pictures of failures from any mass produced engines. Big deal.

Truth is that they are very successful engines that make huge amounts of torque when needed and great fuel economy when not. Why such a dislike for the engine? Does your neighbor hate it?

 

[jejeosborne]

When the neighbor bought his EB he was told the 3.15 and 3.31 axles had the best tow numbers so he bought a 3.31. Being that he was going to use the truck to haul his horse trailer, I asked him if he got the 3.73 gears, then he told me what the salesman said. Whatever it takes to sell the units off the lot I suppose.

Sounds like your neighbor shouldn't be towing anything if he doesn't understand gearing. Obviously didn't read the brochure. Who trusts car salesman....this guy.

 

[Sysop]

So you were able to find a couple ecoboost engine failures on the Internet. I guess I could google in about 5 seconds pictures of failures from any mass produced engines. Big deal.

Truth is that they are very successful engines that make huge amounts of torque when needed and great fuel economy when not. Why such a dislike for the engine? Does your neighbor hate it?

I don't hate it, I personally hope it does really well. I also personally chose NOT to buy one for the fact there was something like an additional 400-some-odd part numbers related to the engine alone. When looking at it from a TCO standpoint, I have a hard time believing you can pay more for an item, have more points of possible failure, and still be able to come out ahead. I hope that is not the way it turns out, but I have a hard time plunking my money down before it's proven one way or the other.

 

[ruffdog]

So you were able to find a couple ecoboost engine failures on the Internet. I guess I could google in about 5 seconds pictures of failures from any mass produced engines. Big deal.


Truth is that they are very successful engines that make huge amounts of torque when needed and great fuel economy when not. Why such a dislike for the engine? Does your neighbor hate it?

It is a big deal for the people that have had more than 1 of them blow and the ones PAST warranty. I have no dislike for the engine. I DO dislike people that continue to recite the egoboost specs to whoever will listen(every morning at the restaurant), most of which I hauled much more with a Ranger. To them, yes, it was a EGO boost.

 

[jejeosborne]

I don't hate it, I personally hope it does really well. I also personally chose NOT to buy one for the fact there was something like an additional 400-some-odd part numbers related to the engine alone. When looking at it from a TCO standpoint, I have a hard time believing you can pay more for an item, have more points of possible failure, and still be able to come out ahead. I hope that is not the way it turns out, but I have a hard time plunking my money down before it's proven one way or the other.

What engine is being used for comparison?

TCO for any engine upgrade will not work compared to the base engine generally. Compare the TCO against the 6.2 liter and I believe the Eco will be very close or possibly be cheaper. The 6.2 and the Eco share the same tow ratings.

 

[jejeosborne]

It is a big deal for the people that have had more than 1 of them blow and the ones PAST warranty. I have no dislike for the engine. I DO dislike people that continue to recite the egoboost specs to whoever will listen(every morning at the restaurant), most of which I hauled much more with a Ranger. To them, yes, it was a EGO boost.

I would agree an engine failure out of warranty would be bad for anyone driving ANY vehicle. I guess it is like comparing specs from favorite sports teams when one is having a good year. I own 4 trailers and use it as intended. Most ego type people would prefer a big V8 with loud exhaust. Not much ego elevating happening with the sound of an angry vacuum.

 

[slowzuki]

Engine failures happen in any vehicle. Our Toyota had it's 1.8L 4cyl fail before 60k miles, under warrantee at least. More important are how many are failing.

 

[Sysop]

Engine failures happen in any vehicle. Our Toyota had it's 1.8L 4cyl fail before 60k miles, under warrantee at least. More important are how many are failing.

Engine failures from design flaws are unacceptable on the #1 most used fleet vehicle.