Looking to purcase first ever riding mower/tractor

[dustycoyote]

I am looking to purchase my first tractor and would like some advice on what to consider.

I have a half acre slightly hilly of just grass. I think for that size I would be fine with the lower end lines sold at the box stores but I also want to buy a snow blade for it as well. I am concerned about how a tractor will hold up when being used for pushing snow. My driveway is only about 50x60 and is completely flat. It is rare that we get more than 6 or 7 inches at a time.

I am considering the Husqvarna YT46LS or even possibly the YT42XLS. I've done a lot of research (like everyone else) and have initially settled on these because of the locking differential that Husky offers. I did not see it available on any other makers' lines (including craftsman which is obviously a line of Husky mowers). Also, these two models have the Kawasaki engine which seems pretty universally to be a well respected engine (and accepted as a good upgrade to the B&S).

I'm kind of concerned that these units appear to have no frame/structural upgrades from the less expensive units. they also have the same k46 tuff torq transmission/drive system that the lower priced units have. It seems to me that even though Huskys verbiage on their website (as well as what the dealer is telling me) infers that these units are built more heavy duty than the lower end (big box store) units, the only thing I see that is a real upgrade to the durability/ruggedness of the machine is the engine. All the other differences are just the added features, conveniences, thingees, and doo-dads. (With the exception of the fabricated deck on the XLS of course).

I know everyone is partial to their specific brand of mower but I would like any feedback/help on specific build qualities or features that might direct me to a better buying choice for my use or to confirm that one of these units will be the best choice for me.

Will these units work well and prove durable, specifically for my usage?
Am I over-purchasing? (for what I am doing, could I go down to a lower model and be just fine?)
Is there a compelling reason to consider a different brand or a more expensive model?
Will the fabricated deck on the XLS be a useful for me (only a half an acre) or would I be just fine with the reinforced stamped deck? (Its 400.00 extra and I hate to spend it if it is overkill for my useage but am happy to pay if it a worthwhile upgrade, even for a small yard).

Would I be better spending a little more to get a Craftsman garden tractor that doesn't include the locking diff but has a beefier trans-axle setup (hydrogear G7) and is rated for earth engaging tools??

Also, Does everyone think that the electric PTO engagement is worth paying extra for? Is it a valuable feature/convenience?

Any other thoughts that an expert/experienced person thinks would be valuable for a newbie like me.

Appreciate any help,
Happy "tractoring" everyone!

 

[bcp]

My "first glance" thought about riding mowers vs garden tractor: if the rear wheels don't bolt on with lug nuts/bolts like a car, it is just a mower, not a garden tractor.

Bruce

 

[rjwerth]

Generally speaking, snow blades don't work on machines of this size. Not enough weight or traction. The smallest machine I've seen use a blade well in 4 inches of light snow is a 4x4 ATV. A blower is a better bet, but for the cost of one, you can get the biggest, baddest walk behind you can find and still have money left over to buy something nice for the spouse.

 

[Gary Fowler]

I have JD 332 diesel garden tractor that weighs in at over 800 pounds and while it has plenty of power, I am not sure it would have traction enough to push a snow plow with only 2 WD even with chains. It sure doesn't have much traction on grass when going up even a small incline with the turf tires on it. I do think they made bar lug tires for it and with those and chains it might be good for snow plowing. A newer model of this type might work for you, but for the price difference between what you need for a lawnmower and adding a snow plow to it you would be above $10K. A good residential lawnmower with a walk behind snow blower would be the better choice.

 

[mikehaugen]

I haven't really researched smaller riding mowers recently but I will say that the simplicity regent my mom just bought as a second mower kind of impressed me for the price. It is of course a lawn tractor (vs. a "garden tractor") but thought I thought if was of better quality than what I see at the box stores. I don't think however that it is available with locking differential. I agree with the others about the snow plow... I feel it would be useless on a small tractor like that, especially if it's blacktop since it seems to be the slickest driveway surface.

 

[dustycoyote]

thank you all for the advice.

I have a friend who has an old John Deere (1981 JD 111 for any JD aficionados out there) It is 1 cylinder, 11 HP and he uses it to plow his driveway. He says it isn't great but it works. His driveway is smaller than mine and is sloped so he has the benefit of pushes down a slight grade. Still, it is only 11 hp and is 30 years old.

If I were to pay a little more to get a garden tractor from Craftsman would that work better? thoughts? The only thing I really see that is different on the Garden tractors generally is that they pretty universally have a 1" axle (vs 3/4" on the lawn tractors) and beefier transaxle. Some of the less expensive ones even have lower quality engines (some of the Craftsman units even have an intek motor).

also, I had also looked at doing the snowblower attachment and came to the same conclusion that rjwerth came to, they're just ridiculously priced. I don't understand why anyone would pay that much for a blower attachment. I'd just get a separate high end blower.


This is a pretty confusing purchase to make. When we decided to get one I didn't expect it to be so much trouble to make a really good informed decision that safely met my requirements.

 

[bcp]

About the 11hp tractor mentioned: it is mostly the weight that determines how much you can pull or push. The hp determines how fast you can do it.

Bruce

 

[jenkinsph]

Considering your needs and locale I would recommend a Deere x310 with the k58h transmission, power steering and hydraulic lift. From what searching I have done for equipment (used) in the southwest it is hard to find anything suitable. The x310 would be a nice mower for the 1/2 acre and would have the hydraulics for the front blade and mower deck. I think this will work for Salt Lake area with light snow, as I can easily push 15" snows in New Mexico without chains on my x749. In the East with heavy wet snow I couldn't do it.

 

[dustycoyote]

Considering your needs and locale I would recommend a Deere x310 with the k58h transmission, power steering and hydraulic lift. From what searching I have done for equipment (used) in the southwest it is hard to find anything suitable. The x310 would be a nice mower for the 1/2 acre and would have the hydraulics for the front blade and mower deck. I think this will work for Salt Lake area with light snow, as I can easily push 15" snows in New Mexico without chains on my x749. In the East with heavy wet snow I couldn't do it.

Thanks for the feedback. I've really kind of stopped looking at JD tractors. The series are really cool but they don't seem to be the best value when compared to other brands. Maybe it's because the power steering and hydraulic features aren't as valuable to me as other upgrades. Do these features really make a big difference and should I give them more consideration? It seems like most mowers at this size do ok with no power steering and the hydraulics for the deck and blade seem like luxury items (the blade hydraulics actually seem really nice but the deck is really only removed or replaced twice a year so I don't mind no hydraulics.
Ultimately for me, in a comparison of new mowers JD's seem nice but are at a premium price. I would love the x310 but it's a lot for similar engine and build to 2100.00 Husky unit. I haven't looked at anything used. If I did though, wouldn't I still be paying a premium for JD units?


Jenkinsph made a good point that I neglected. The snow here in utah is really light and dry. Very different from most of the country. Like I said, my neighbor moves snow with his old mower and it does fairly well. It sounds though like everyone agrees that if I want to do this right I probably need to get a better garden tractor level unit though.

So if I were to ask...

Craftsman Garden tractor with beefier trans (1" axle) but with basic B&S or Kohler Courage engine OR
Husky Yard Tractor with kawasaki engine and locking diff.

personal recommendations?

keep in mind that I don't intend to use any ground engaging accessories, and I do have some good slopes in my yard but mostly it is flat.

I'll probably try to plow snow and if it doesn't work well, I'll just buy a kick-butt walk behind blower for the money I would have spent on an x310.

 

[mikehaugen]

I think that engine is less of a concern on the smaller, lower-priced mowers as most any engine will probably outlast the useful life of the rest of the machine. I see a lot of older worn out "lawn" tractors that are broken and have been replaced, but they still run. I rarely see one that is in nice shape that has a blown engine.

 

[dustycoyote]

I think that engine is less of a concern on the smaller, lower-priced mowers as most any engine will probably outlast the useful life of the rest of the machine. I see a lot of older worn out "lawn" tractors that are broken and have been replaced, but they still run. I rarely see one that is in nice shape that has a blown engine.

so if the engine is not a big concern, am I also being too concerned about the k46 transmission? Is it sufficient for my usage? If so then I think that 'dI feel pretty good about doing the yt46ls Husky rather than a cheaper garden tractor with no locking diff.

 

[jenkinsph]

I would not buy a k46 anything again, bought one when I didn't know any better and took good care of it. Lasted less than 275 hrs and top speed is about 3 mph when fluid is cool, slower when it heats up. Push a plow with it and you may not get 100 hrs on it.

 

[mikehaugen]

I am pretty sure that is the trans that everyone complains about, but I can't give you any first hand knowledge... though those are some of the things I was aluding to when I said "the useful life of the machine."

Heck I even had a deere 111 with gear drive that went out, with the briggs 11 horse still running strong.

 

[bcp]

It's enough to make a person look for one of those homemade garden tractors with an old car differential and transmission.



Bruce

 

[ajd187]

I think for that size property, any riding mower is going to be fine. Those Huskys would probably do the job.

With that said, I had a Deere X320 that I owned for three and a half seasons. I changed the oil, put gas in it, and that was about it. So they are reliable although the smaller 3 series have those crappy transmissions that everyone seems to have issues with.

 

[jenkinsph]

dustycoyote,
Rereading your posts about the hydraulics and power steering I would recommend having them for a machine with front blade. Being able to raise and lower the front blade while cleaning your driveway would be much easier. For the Deere mowers the x310 and higher model numbers is where the better transmissions start.

This is a smaller mower with a 42" cut, has the k58h transmission and has the hydraulics to raise and lower a blade or snowblower. Seems like the ideal combination for your uses.

 

[Crow Hunter]

so if the engine is not a big concern, am I also being too concerned about the k46 transmission? Is it sufficient for my usage? If so then I think that 'dI feel pretty good about doing the yt46ls Husky rather than a cheaper garden tractor with no locking diff.

I can give you my experience with the K46 trans. I wouldn't buy another mower with one.

I bought a Husquvarna LGT2554 from Lowe's in June of 2010 for right at $2500 tax and all. I have 105 hrs on pretty much all up and down hill mowing. After about an hour mowing, it will slowly lose power to the point that it will stop mowing uphill. If I let it "rest" for 30 min or so, it will be good for another 30 min or so before I have to stop and do it again. I talked to the local Husqvarna repair place and they stated it would be around $500 to replace it. Everything else about the mower is great. No rust, engine starts instantly, mows through even thick grass with no bogging down, but now it stops going uphill before I can get finished mowing the yard.

So it has basically cost me $40 every time I mowed my yard, by the time I factor in my labor and gas, it would probably have been cheaper to pay someone else to do it...:mur:

I am selling it to a friend who has a completely flat yard for $500 with him fully knowing what is wrong with it.

If you are going to be pushing/pulling stuff around that weighs anything, including yourself and the mower on any type of slope, you will probably want something more beefy than the K46. Don't get lured into a false economy, like I did. My new mower will specifically be ground implement rated, not because I plan on pushing/pulling anything because I have 2 ATV's for that. I am doing it because I don't want the transmission to be the weakest link.

Plus, it will be nice to ride something that doesn't sound like a jet winding up for takeoff under any type of load.:laughing:

 

[dustycoyote]

I can give you my experience with the K46 trans. I wouldn't buy another mower with one.

I bought a Husquvarna LGT2554 from Lowe's in June of 2010 for right at $2500 tax and all. I have 105 hrs on pretty much all up and down hill mowing. After about an hour mowing, it will slowly lose power to the point that it will stop mowing uphill. If I let it "rest" for 30 min or so, it will be good for another 30 min or so before I have to stop and do it again. I talked to the local Husqvarna repair place and they stated it would be around $500 to replace it. Everything else about the mower is great. No rust, engine starts instantly, mows through even thick grass with no bogging down, but now it stops going uphill before I can get finished mowing the yard.

So it has basically cost me $40 every time I mowed my yard, by the time I factor in my labor and gas, it would probably have been cheaper to pay someone else to do it...:mur:

I am selling it to a friend who has a completely flat yard for $500 with him fully knowing what is wrong with it.

If you are going to be pushing/pulling stuff around that weighs anything, including yourself and the mower on any type of slope, you will probably want something more beefy than the K46. Don't get lured into a false economy, like I did. My new mower will specifically be ground implement rated, not because I plan on pushing/pulling anything because I have 2 ATV's for that. I am doing it because I don't want the transmission to be the weakest link.

Plus, it will be nice to ride something that doesn't sound like a jet winding up for takeoff under any type of load.:laughing:

Thanks for the info. Even after doing quite a bit of research I hadn't really understood how risky that transmission is for any yard tractor that is going to do anything other than mow yards and at a completely level grade. It sounds like there are quite a few people who have good luck with the K46 but I personally think it is a great example of modern american under-engineering and over-marketing. I think it represents some pretty poor integrity by the OEMs to build that trans into tractors that are obviously marketed as more than a basic machine, sometimes even as being heavy duty. It's embarrassing that Husqvarna would put it in a Garden tractor machine! (Even if they use the term "LGT" or light garden tractor they know what the average consumer is going buy it for.) I had no idea that their LGT units have the K46.

Either way, it is starting to look more and more like I need to re-evaluate and probably go with a more expensive GT series tractor. I would love the X310 that has been suggested but think that I'll probably look at doing the GT54LS by Husky. Seems like a great deal for what features are included, and I really like the idea of the locking diff. Also, I found that all of the craftsman branded accessories fit the HUsky units too. For some reason the accessories at Sears are almost half of the pricing that Husqvarna lists online. If I do the Husky I'll buy the accessories there.

I wish I could find this unit with a 42 or 46 inch deck I don't really need the larger deck, don't want to have to make room to store it, and would REALLY prefer to buy a mower with only two blades.

FYI,
Interesting info as I started looking at Garden tractors.....
The sears Craftsman Garden Tractors (GT6000 is what I have looked at) are really appealing for price and features and are obviously Husqvarna machines. But what isn't immediately obvious is that whle they have the upgraded ground engaging transmissions, they are otherwise equivalent to the Husqvarna's Light Garden tractors and other basic machines in build. They use the lower gauge frame which is "rail" type. It is the same as the Husky yard tractor units, not the same was the frame that is found on the Husky GT or LS series. This seems to again be a very deceptive and poor practice. I can't imagine that this frame system is really built or "spec'd" to handle a long life of ground engaging activities. I'm a newbie and could be wrong but it sure seems that way.


Again thanks to everyone. Learning a lot here. Now I've got to go sell the wife on spending more than we had planned.

 

[jenkinsph]

Thanks for the info. Even after doing quite a bit of research I hadn't really understood how risky that transmission is for any yard tractor that is going to do anything other than mow yards and at a completely level grade. It sounds like there are quite a few people who have good luck with the K46 but I personally think it is a great example of modern american under-engineering and over-marketing. I think it represents some pretty poor integrity by the OEMs to build that trans into tractors that are obviously marketed as more than a basic machine, sometimes even as being heavy duty. It's embarrassing that Husqvarna would put it in a Garden tractor machine! (Even if they use the term "LGT" or light garden tractor they know what the average consumer is going buy it for.) I had no idea that their LGT units have the K46.

Either way, it is starting to look more and more like I need to re-evaluate and probably go with a more expensive GT series tractor. I would love the X310 that has been suggested but think that I'll probably look at doing the GT54LS by Husky. Seems like a great deal for what features are included, and I really like the idea of the locking diff. Also, I found that all of the craftsman branded accessories fit the HUsky units too. For some reason the accessories at Sears are almost half of the pricing that Husqvarna lists online. If I do the Husky I'll buy the accessories there.

I wish I could find this unit with a 42 or 46 inch deck I don't really need the larger deck, don't want to have to make room to store it, and would REALLY prefer to buy a mower with only two blades.

FYI,
Interesting info as I started looking at Garden tractors.....
The sears Craftsman Garden Tractors (GT6000 is what I have looked at) are really appealing for price and features and are obviously Husqvarna machines. But what isn't immediately obvious is that whle they have the upgraded ground engaging transmissions, they are otherwise equivalent to the Husqvarna's Light Garden tractors and other basic machines in build. They use the lower gauge frame which is "rail" type. It is the same as the Husky yard tractor units, not the same was the frame that is found on the Husky GT or LS series. This seems to again be a very deceptive and poor practice. I can't imagine that this frame system is really built or "spec'd" to handle a long life of ground engaging activities. I'm a newbie and could be wrong but it sure seems that way.


Again thanks to everyone. Learning a lot here. Now I've got to go sell the wife on spending more than we had planned.

Just checked out the GT6000 on the Sears website, curious if you read the reviews? Good luck with your purchase, I think you will need it.

 

[dustycoyote]

Just checked out the GT6000 on the Sears website, curious if you read the reviews? Good luck with your purchase, I think you will need it.

Jenkinph
I Had originally been looking at the GT6000 but wondered why they were so much less than other GT's. Read the reviews and saw that they are basically the LGT from Husky so I crossed them off my list. My frontrunner now is the GT54LS.
Or were you referring to the GT54LS when you said I would need luck?