2014 Silverado/Sierra released

[clemsonfor]

I am not really criticizing it as much as others, merely pointing it out. I would love a newer truck, I don't however want to pay $500 for 5 years to own one! I like ford and chevy though.

I also pointed out the scenario about my friend who also is a GM guy, just to illustrate that there IS a problem. This guy is a certified mechanic for a living so I don't think it was a maintence neglect issue. Also the dealership said there was an issue with the 08 and newer vehicles having problems with burning oil and rings welding to pistons.

I am neither going to buy a new ford, toy, chevy, dodge, or anything.... im just to cheap and rather spend money on other stuff. My current vehicles get me where I want to go, after all that's the point, all I want is a truck that's reliable and does what I need it to. Big deal if I cant drag race with my tractor behind me or peel out with a trailer of firewood attached.

 

[sparc]

I looked at those steps when I bought my Ford....look nice but I bet they don't hold up over time. Plus it kinda takes away some of the utility of the tail-gate. I'm betting the step-bumper is much more useful in the real world. Of course, if you just pick-up groceries and the occassional sheet of plywood (like about 85% of truck buyers) I think the "man step" is a great idea. I would have to see the step-tailgate in person before wanting one though.

I have the tailgate step on my '12 F-350 4x4 SRW. I'm 5'-10" and the tailgate is above my waist when folded down. That's a pretty tall step when you are carrying something or you have to make repeated trips in and out to load or unload something. So for access to the bed to get to my tool box or stuff up in the front of the bed that can't be reached from standing alongside the truck I think it works great. Since my truck is a 4x4 the bed rails are at my armpit height which means reaching into the bed even on tip toes doesn't work most times. Now if they were smart enough to extend the running boards back to the front of the rear wheel well you'd have a place to stand and reach inside. I fail to see why they don't do that. You can get aftermarket running boards like this so why doesn't Ford offer them.

However, it screws up the inside face of the tailgate which is no longer flat. That has been a PITA when hauling sheet goods and when loading/unloading as you can't slide anything across the bed. And it offers a number of places for dirt or small stones and such to make their way under the post when folded down. I wonder long term how the step itself will hold up and if there will be problems with the tailgate because water and road salt has a new path to the inside of the tailgate. 4 years from now will the latch on the step still be tight so that I don't have to listen to the step rattling as I drive down the road.

So after owning this truck for almost a year now and despite convenience it offers I do not know if I would get the tailgate step again. Right now I am leaning toward no, but if its still working well after 2 or 3 more years I might consider it on the next truck.

 

[Storm56]

Two were 2500 series with the 6.0L. All in all they were good to him but we once tried to use his 2003 to put in and out my boat, 15,600#, which was over the 12,000# tow rating I know but it would not pull the boat from the lake in 4 low.
Chris

I have a VERY tough time with this statement. You honestly expect us to believe that a 6.0 GM does not have enough power to pull a #15,600 boat out of a lake, in 4 LOW yet to boot, with a 4:10 rear? And you qualify this with:" Well it was over the 12,000 tow rating".

OTHER than your anti GM bias posts, as a rule I agree with you, but these statements are over the top.

By the way I did own a 6.0 GM with a 3:73 rear. I can GUARANTEE you it would have had no trouble pulling your boat from the lake.

 

[Markcuda]

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[Diamondpilot]

I have a VERY tough time with this statement. You honestly expect us to believe that a 6.0 GM does not have enough power to pull a #15,600 boat out of a lake, in 4 LOW yet to boot, with a 4:10 rear? And you qualify this with:" Well it was over the 12,000 tow rating".

OTHER than your anti GM bias posts, as a rule I agree with you, but these statements are over the top.

By the way I did own a 6.0 GM with a 3:73 rear. I can GUARANTEE you it would have had no trouble pulling your boat from the lake.

15,600# is a lot of dead weight to get moving from a dead stop on a 30deg incline. I was not in the truck, he was, but he said the tach was at nearly 5000rpms and no move. My buddy Vallis brought down his Suburban and just a little tug got him rolling then he was home free.

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

I have the tailgate step on my '12 F-350 4x4 SRW. I'm 5'-10" and the tailgate is above my waist when folded down. That's a pretty tall step when you are carrying something or you have to make repeated trips in and out to load or unload something. So for access to the bed to get to my tool box or stuff up in the front of the bed that can't be reached from standing alongside the truck I think it works great. Since my truck is a 4x4 the bed rails are at my armpit height which means reaching into the bed even on tip toes doesn't work most times. Now if they were smart enough to extend the running boards back to the front of the rear wheel well you'd have a place to stand and reach inside. I fail to see why they don't do that. You can get aftermarket running boards like this so why doesn't Ford offer them.

However, it screws up the inside face of the tailgate which is no longer flat. That has been a PITA when hauling sheet goods and when loading/unloading as you can't slide anything across the bed. And it offers a number of places for dirt or small stones and such to make their way under the post when folded down. I wonder long term how the step itself will hold up and if there will be problems with the tailgate because water and road salt has a new path to the inside of the tailgate. 4 years from now will the latch on the step still be tight so that I don't have to listen to the step rattling as I drive down the road.

So after owning this truck for almost a year now and despite convenience it offers I do not know if I would get the tailgate step again. Right now I am leaning toward no, but if its still working well after 2 or 3 more years I might consider it on the next truck.

My 08 Nissan Titan has factory running boards that do just this, extend to the front of the rear wheels. Very handy.

Chris

 

[Storm56]

15,600# is a lot of dead weight to get moving from a dead stop on a 30deg incline. I was not in the truck, he was, but he said the tach was at nearly 5000rpms and no move. My buddy Vallis brought down his Suburban and just a little tug got him rolling then he was home free.

Chris

I am no stranger to pulling heavy loads. So you are stating that this vehicle was in low range with the motor turning 5000 rpm with no movement, **** the tires should have been SMOKIN! UNLESS the trans was slipping...

 

[joe t]

Yeah story not adding up to me, probably wasn't getting traction. Chevy's fault all the way :confused2: .

 

[mikehaugen]

true, if the engine is revving to 5k, it obviously has the power- traction or tranny issue then. I would guess the trans is starting to go, and not building enough line pressure to get the power through the torque converter or is slipping. Though with that much slipping, the trans sure wouldn't last too long.

I know with my truck, if I am overworking it, the engine simply won't get to a high rpm. Sometimes I will be on a grade with my foot to the floor and it just won't get above 2500 RPM, and I have to downshift because for whatever reason the trans didn't do it itself.

 

[WilliamBos]

I'll admit, I am quite dissapointed. You would think they would have released at least ONE new engine, but all they did was dress up old engines (minus the 6.2 which in my opinion they have ruined by putting on AFM). The "all new" stuff they're touting is either cheesy or has been around since 2005 (torsion bars in the tailgate? ummm, that's standard on ALL trucks now, geniuses). Can't believe they kept the 4.3 v6 and didn't go with the 3.6 instead. No turbo, no diesel, no new engines, nothing to see here.

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The 4.3 is ALL NEW. It only shares the number with the old one. The 3.6 is a CAR engine, will not live up to hauling. The 5.3 is all new too, and major changes to the 6.2L. You can thank the tree huggers in kommiefornia for crap like that. Mind you, once you are buying $6 gas like us, you will appreciate the savings.

As for an ecoboost, look for the 5.3 to match or better the ecoboost. I do not want turbos on a gas engine. The ecoboost has not proven itself,when they will last 350,000 miles minimum like the LS engines do, then it will be credible. Until then, it is a yuppy engine for a yuppy truck.

The 4.5 babymax is ready but will they release it? Would be nice.

The HD's will be finished off this year, but with the higher weight ratings coming, and the increase in power, I do not need an HD.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I am no stranger to pulling heavy loads. So you are stating that this vehicle was in low range with the motor turning 5000 rpm with no movement, **** the tires should have been SMOKIN! UNLESS the trans was slipping...

Tires were not spinning. Its a rough finish grooved concrete ramp. Only way you will spin any vehicle's tires is if you get them wet on the moss.

I have seen the same thing happen to a Ford F350 diesel but in that case the truck started hopping.

In both cases the trucks were overloaded but the F350 was about 8,000# over when the gas GM was about 3,000#

Chris

 

[timswi]

Tires were not spinning. Its a rough finish grooved concrete ramp. Only way you will spin any vehicle's tires is if you get them wet on the moss.

I have seen the same thing happen to a Ford F350 diesel but in that case the truck started hopping.

In both cases the trucks were overloaded but the F350 was about 8,000# over when the gas GM was about 3,000#

Chris

You give a ton of anti-GM rants, but I'm having a really tough time even coming close to buying this one...Sometimes you just go too far...My truck would have gone up in a 4x4 tire smoke storm. Limitation being weight of the truck vs the weight of what is being pulled on wet pavement...Period..

Give it a break, it's getting old if you haven't noticed by now.

 

[case245]

i think rants about chevy pulling are funny i own 2011 3500hd srw 6.0l 4.11 gears when you are dragging 20300ibs total up hill all stock and my trucks detuned from factory i got 320hp not 360 like the 3/4 tons got i pull and haul all the time

 

[Storm56]

You give a ton of anti-GM rants, but I'm having a really tough time even coming close to buying this one...Sometimes you just go too far...My truck would have gone up in a 4x4 tire smoke storm. Limitation being weight of the truck vs the weight of what is being pulled on wet pavement...Period..

Give it a break, it's getting old if you haven't noticed by now.

I agree, not buying this for one minute. I think Chris's hatred for GM has hit a new high on this one. In his world ANYTHING Ford is fantastic, if it says GM on it, it is total junk.

I have a tough time when he starts quoting Eco fuel mileage numbers too. I base this on a couple of bud's with this engine, they certainly do not get what he talks about. They do like the engine, just do not get the numbers he quotes.

Too bad because on most other subjects he is pretty knowledgeable.

 

[timswi]

I agree, not buying this for one minute. I think Chris's hatred for GM has hit a new high on this one. In his world ANYTHING Ford is fantastic, if it says GM on it, it is total junk.

I have a tough time when he starts quoting Eco fuel mileage numbers too. I base this on a couple of bud's with this engine, they certainly do not get what he talks about. They do like the engine, just do not get the numbers he quotes.

Too bad because on most other subjects he is pretty knowledgeable.

I think he's pretty knowledgable about some things, but those some things are beginning to diminish due to the obvious bias and hostile attitude that he has towards anything not Ford/BMW/Nissan.

He might be the ultimate alpha guy towing 450,000,000,000,0000 tons per month (he does remind us daily)...I don't care. For someone who does what he says, he sure does spend an inordinate amout of time on this board...Can't figure out how he does it all...Very impressive.

If his Fords/Nissans/BMW's are the divine second coming, he can believe it...I don't, I've had enough experience with all three to know better.

There were loose anti-GM biases before, now it it so blatent that I can't take it anymore...What ever good he has to say has been destroyed in my book now...And I don't want to hear anymore about the "balilout"...Ford's hands aren't clean either...Just low hanging fuit...Nothing more, nothing less.

Time for my own rant...Just sayin'

 

[Storm56]

I think he's pretty knowledgable about some things, but those some things are beginning to diminish due to the obvious bias and hostile attitude that he has towards anything not Ford/BMW/Nissan.

He might be the ultimate alpha guy towing 450,000,000,000,0000 tons per month (he does remind us daily)...I don't care. For someone who does what he says, he sure does spend an inordinate amout of time on this board...Can't figure out how he does it all...Very impressive.

If his Fords/Nissans/BMW's are the divine second coming, he can believe it...I don't, I've had enough experience with all three to know better.

There were loose anti-GM biases before, now it it so blatent that I can't take it anymore...What ever good he has to say has been destroyed in my book now...And I don't want to hear anymore about the "balilout"...Ford's hands aren't clean either...Just low hanging fuit...Nothing more, nothing less.

Time for my own rant...Just sayin'

Hey now watch those Nissan comments! I have an Infiniti which gets 57 mpg, changes it's own oil without ever spilling a dop, tows up tall mountains 1,000's more than it is rated for and..............................:laughing:

 

[Markcuda]

Where is that little pop corn guy when you need it::::::::::::::::)))))))))

 

[TheGoose]

Hey, DP: Have you ever changed the oil in the EB truck? Get back to me on the placement of the filter for that one vs. the 5.3 will ya?

 

[timswi]

Hey now watch those Nissan comments! I have an Infiniti which gets 57 mpg, changes it's own oil without ever spilling a dop, tows up tall mountains 1,000's more than it is rated for and..............................:laughing:

:drink:

 

[Diamondpilot]

Like I said, it would not move it. This was somewhere around 2005 using a 2003 2500 HD 6.0 4x4. It simply could not get the wheels turning. Like someone earlier mentioned it could not get the torque converter to fo its thing. I clearly stated we were knowingly 3, 000# overweight but were surprised when it was a issue.



Towing up a hill rolling is nothing compared to moving a big load from a dead stop on a incline like that. Every summer I see drive shafts break, trucks go backwards into the water, tires smoke, ect. Getting a large boat out is a art. Its still floating till aprox 2/3 rds out. This causes a major weight transfer issue. I am not talking your little 18' bass boats here. What I am dealing with are boats 15, 000# to 25, 000# 30' to 40' in length sitting on 3 & 4 axle trailer with beams from 10.5' to 13' wide.

Chris