2014 Silverado/Sierra released

[clemsonfor]

My brother had a 2010 Chevy 5.3 with AFM that he towed his boat with every weekend and never had a problem with anything. He traded the x-cab Chevy for a standard cab 2012 GMC 5.3...

I did not say it dont happen, i work with a guy that has an 09 5.3 with AFM and so far all is fine.

Are you saying this didn't happen??

He is a very good freind, i see him all the time and we go out to eat with he and his wife all the time, he is the cheif of our VFD, which i am on as well. The guy is a Hyundai certified mecanic so he's no dummy to mecanics. He only had the truck a year or less when this occured and tows vary rarely and only drives the truck a few days a week. He told me at a FD meeting that his truck was "getting rebuilt" i questioned him, he was driving a loaner jeep Liberty at the time and the dealer had the truck for a week or so building the motor. They refused to put a short block in it. He said when the motor was pulled and the pan off and they took the rod caps off the end of the rods the pistons just "fell out " , which is what the shop told him in thier words not something he made up. They said the rings welded to the pistons and that this was a know and common problem with the 08 and ups. He said they do "several of them a month (or week, dont remember??)" again the words repeated of the dealership. They put new pistons in, rod bearings, rings, and wrist pins. I said what about the cylinders with them slapping all around, he said i guess that was good!!!! I hope so!!

Anyway i have been a fan of GM. I own an old K10 and also own ford ranger. I will never buy a new truck though, one because i really cant afford to spend that kind of money on one, 2 i dont see the point, and 3 you can buy one a year old with a few k miles on it for 10grand or more less and the truck is basically still new!

 

[slowzuki]

In a salt heavy climate like here, drum brakes outlast discs no problem. I've had some drum brakes on daily drivers go 200,000 miles with 0 maintenance, put in a new set of shoes and they were good to go again. Up here on discs the rotors don't get hot enough to dry out and pit like crazy leading to destroyed pads in no time, the pins get rusty and jammed etc. Its quite normal to put a set of pads and rotors all the way around up here every year even with low mileage.

I like everything else about discs though, wouldn't go back to front drums lol.

What?????? You must be the only guy in American thst likes drums. Disc are much more efficent, weigh less, easier to inspect, easier to work on, and reduce unsprung weight.

Heck, I even have disc brakes on two of my three trailers.

Chris

 

[mikehaugen]

I wouldn't say that i prefer drums, but also don't care one way or another on a truck. The advantage of discs is that they don't fade as quickly, heat buildup causes drums to expand and therefore become less effective. Discs are easier to work on, yes, but drums actually take less pressure to get the same effective braking force. Also, (this is speculation, no facts to back it up) I would have to assume that discs would be able to have a more effective abs system because they do seem slightly quicker to respond, especially releasing- if rear abs is that important to you. If I lived in a very hilly area or had a sports car that I drove like a sports car should be driven, then I would prefer discs, but for the flat highway country driving that I do in a truck, drums work just fine.

 

[TheGoose]

My '03 Z71 had 4 wheel discs, but for some reason they brought back the drums a few years later.

I would suspect that 90% of the truck owning populace outside of TBN could not tell you the difference between drum and discs and wouldn't know it if their truck had either.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. I have no trouble with the bail-out since the US Gov't DID in fact bail out the whole financial system and kept us out of another great depression.

 

[Diamondpilot]

My '03 Z71 had 4 wheel discs, but for some reason they brought back the drums a few years later.

I would suspect that 90% of the truck owning populace outside of TBN could not tell you the difference between drum and discs and wouldn't know it if their truck had either.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. I have no trouble with the bail-out since the US Gov't DID in fact bail out the whole financial system and kept us out of another great depression.

I suspect you are right on most not knowing the difference but that still does not mean that the disc brakes on all 4's are far superior.

As far as build quality I would say my 05 Dmax was extremely poor. Poorly fit panels, paint, interior, rattles, ect. I only had the truck 9 months from new but it was junk! I have had nearly 25 vehicles by everyone and this one would not have lasted 5 years.

As far as the bailouts go do some research. I did and found there were many local banks and such that did not take a dime along with Ford and the imports. I moved my home mortgage to one of these such banks. All it took was a quick google search. Everything else I own is paid for including the 3 vehicles, tractors, boats, ect so there was nothing to do there but I would have refinanced them also with a non bailout institution.

Chris

 

[timswi]

I suspect you are right on most not knowing the difference but that still does not mean that the disc brakes on all 4's are far superior.

As far as build quality I would say my 05 Dmax was extremely poor. Poorly fit panels, paint, interior, rattles, ect. I only had the truck 9 months from new but it was junk! I have had nearly 25 vehicles by everyone and this one would not have lasted 5 years.

As far as the bailouts go do some research. I did and found there were many local banks and such that did not take a dime along with Ford and the imports. I moved my home mortgage to one of these such banks. All it took was a quick google search. Everything else I own is paid for including the 3 vehicles, tractors, boats, ect so there was nothing to do there but I would have refinanced them also with a non bailout institution.

Chris

Exactly what does this have to do with anything?....Gm may have gotten a bailout (and Ford did too in a roundabout way that you won't address)..However, at least GM didn't burn down garages and cars due to garbage cruise contols and now the vaunted Ford turbo's (Escapes etc) are catching on fire too...The ceo said 2 weeks ago there was no fix (that's comforting)now the've found one...

Living in a glass house should cause some level of careful assult of the other guys. You need to cool it.

 

[capt_met]

Myself I'm not interested in any of the truckmakers new trucks. Haven't been interested in a Ford without the 7.3. GM after '06.5 on diesels. Dodge, do they make trucks? I have done quite well maintaining my older trucks. When the engine blows, I'll get a reman engine.

 

[Zscoop33]

I was waiting to see what Chevy was going to come up with interior wise and it looks like a dodge and ford had a baby and somebody hit it with the ugly stick. I have owed seven Chevys and I think the two I have now will be my last. GM really dropped the ball.

 

[timswi]

Ok, I'm man enough to admit a problem where it happens...Here it is:

This morning around 11:30am my 2011 GMC 4x4 6.2 went into "limp" mode compaining about stab cntl failure...400+Hp and can't go more than 5mph up hill...Needless to say, I was ticked---to say the least. Made it home and called the dealer, they hooked me up with GM Road Side...They were more concerned with my safety than anything else...I was good in that regard..Must have gotten 5+ calls from them giving me updates on the flatbed etc...We loaded the truck and it was being sent to a dealer that I wanted no parts of--GM RA rerouted the flatbed to the dealer of my choice... One hour later I go a call from the dealer where I wanted it and they attacked the problem.

Seems that the thottle body failed..2 hours later the dealer called me and said come and get it...

Kudos to GM RA and Wright GMC of Beaver PA...THAT, my friends, is customer service!!!!!.

PS: This was my first ever experience with GM RA and I could not be more impressed. And no, I don't have OnStar.

 

[Peacock]

That would never have happened on a Ford.

 

[rmk700]

I keep hoping to get a new Silverado soon, but just can't justify it. My 2000 Silverado continues to run nearly flawless. Been a heluva good truck!!

 

[timswi]

That would never have happened on a Ford.

So we have been told.

 

[sld]

ok, stupid question.....what is AFM?

 

[nybirdman]

Active Fuel Management,cylinder diactivation.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Exactly what does this have to do with anything?....Gm may have gotten a bailout (and Ford did too in a roundabout way that you won't address)..However, at least GM didn't burn down garages and cars due to garbage cruise contols and now the vaunted Ford turbo's (Escapes etc) are catching on fire too...The ceo said 2 weeks ago there was no fix (that's comforting)now the've found one...

Living in a glass house should cause some level of careful assult of the other guys. You need to cool it.

No, you are wrong, Ford walked out. They did it on their own. Yes, they have taken grant monies, everyone has. Lets not even get into the Volt.

Seriously though the variable displacement (AFM) has issues. I am sure glad Ford, Toyota, and Nissan have not ventured down that road yet. If they do hopefully it will be when the bugs are worked out.

GM had a chance here but they blew it. Ford took a chance with the Eco Boost and its been a winner for them. Dodge took a chance with the coil over rear, I am not a fan, but others are. The 8 speed is what will set them apart. GM, nothing. All they did is take what the others have been doing and called it new. I guess it is new to the blind followers who never looked elsewhere to see what they have been missing for 10 years.

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

Ok, I'm man enough to admit a problem where it happens...Here it is:

This morning around 11:30am my 2011 GMC 4x4 6.2 went into "limp" mode compaining about stab cntl failure...400+Hp and can't go more than 5mph up hill...Needless to say, I was ticked---to say the least. Made it home and called the dealer, they hooked me up with GM Road Side...They were more concerned with my safety than anything else...I was good in that regard..Must have gotten 5+ calls from them giving me updates on the flatbed etc...We loaded the truck and it was being sent to a dealer that I wanted no parts of--GM RA rerouted the flatbed to the dealer of my choice... One hour later I go a call from the dealer where I wanted it and they attacked the problem.

Seems that the thottle body failed..2 hours later the dealer called me and said come and get it...

Kudos to GM RA and Wright GMC of Beaver PA...THAT, my friends, is customer service!!!!!.

PS: This was my first ever experience with GM RA and I could not be more impressed. And no, I don't have OnStar.

I had about the same experience when my 3 month old F350. It just died. Would not restart. It was towed by Ford roadside assistance and I got call after call. Even days later. Long story short it was out of fuel. The gauge showed 1/3 tank but it was bone dry. In and out of the dealer that day.

Same thing with my BMW. It has run flats, no spare. We had a tire go down due to a 2" piece of steel.

They just call a local wrecker company and pay a flat rate. My gut says all manufactures use a 3rd party call center.


I have a feeling these calk centers are all one in the same.

Chris

 

[joe t]

Ok, I'm man enough to admit a problem where it happens...Here it is:

This morning around 11:30am my 2011 GMC 4x4 6.2 went into "limp" mode compaining about stab cntl failure...400+Hp and can't go more than 5mph up hill...Needless to say, I was ticked---to say the least. Made it home and called the dealer, they hooked me up with GM Road Side...They were more concerned with my safety than anything else...I was good in that regard..Must have gotten 5+ calls from them giving me updates on the flatbed etc...We loaded the truck and it was being sent to a dealer that I wanted no parts of--GM RA rerouted the flatbed to the dealer of my choice... One hour later I go a call from the dealer where I wanted it and they attacked the problem.

Seems that the thottle body failed..2 hours later the dealer called me and said come and get it...

Kudos to GM RA and Wright GMC of Beaver PA...THAT, my friends, is customer service!!!!!.

PS: This was my first ever experience with GM RA and I could not be more impressed. And no, I don't have OnStar.

Throttle body is a pretty common problem on the LS motor. They run a couple hundred bucks. Just put one on mine, think it is dirty again. I may look into cleaning it every few thousand miles.

 

[joe t]

No, you are wrong, Ford walked out. They did it on their own. Yes, they have taken grant monies, everyone has. Lets not even get into the Volt.

Seriously though the variable displacement (AFM) has issues. I am sure glad Ford, Toyota, and Nissan have not ventured down that road yet. If they do hopefully it will be when the bugs are worked out.

GM had a chance here but they blew it. Ford took a chance with the Eco Boost and its been a winner for them. Dodge took a chance with the coil over rear, I am not a fan, but others are. The 8 speed is what will set them apart. GM, nothing. All they did is take what the others have been doing and called it new. I guess it is new to the blind followers who never looked elsewhere to see what they have been missing for 10 years.

Chris

We'll see if they dropped the ball or not when it is tested.

 

[timswi]

I had about the same experience when my 3 month old F350. It just died. Would not restart. It was towed by Ford roadside assistance and I got call after call. Even days later. Long story short it was out of fuel. The gauge showed 1/3 tank but it was bone dry. In and out of the dealer that day.

Same thing with my BMW. It has run flats, no spare. We had a tire go down due to a 2" piece of steel.

They just call a local wrecker company and pay a flat rate. My gut says all manufactures use a 3rd party call center.


I have a feeling these calk centers are all one in the same.

Chris

Might be..If so it's one heck of a call center..They should be proud of themselves.

 

[Ryan03]

I realy like it. I am seriously considering taking a look at this truck when it comes out in the summer of 2013. The two biggest things that were deal breakers for me with the current Gm trucks were first, the 3 star side impact rating on the crew cabs and 2 star rating for front seat passengers. Secondly, the cheap looking/feeling interior with flat narrow seats. I do not consider myself to be brand loyal, and have owned many new vehicles made by both GM and Ford. When I buy my next truck, My criteria will be in this order 1, Safety of my family and myself {Crash test ratings}, 2, longevity, capability, and comfort. 3, looks, innovative features, and price. My father is a retired 42 year Gm employee, so I am able to buy Gm products considerably cheaper than those made by other companies. That being said, I would never put my family in a 2 star crash test rated vehicle, not even if they paid me to take it. Hopefuly they improved these areas of the new model.