2014 Silverado/Sierra released

[RollingsFarms]

Dang, did you even read the press release? The engines are all-new and expect to lead the class in HP and torque. The 4.3L is completely new, an aluminum block and everything. It will even drop down to 4-cylinders using AFM. I bet the 6 is over 300 HP and probably more like 320 if you consider the HP of the smaller Camaro V6.

Why so much hate on the 5.3? Mine was super-reliable and I never heard one whisper (beyond the internet) of problems. Everybody who I know owns one had nothing but great service and luck. I'm betting that when you see the new HP ratings it will be close to 400 hp(380+) and torque around 400 lb-ft of torque. Probably just under 400 if they want to compete with the EB.

I looked at those steps when I bought my Ford....look nice but I bet they don't hold up over time. Plus it kinda takes away some of the utility of the tail-gate. I'm betting the step-bumper is much more useful in the real world. Of course, if you just pick-up groceries and the occassional sheet of plywood (like about 85% of truck buyers) I think the "man step" is a great idea. I would have to see the step-tailgate in person before wanting one though.

Also I noticed that chevy is finally offering the 6.5' box. Probably the #1 reason why I bought the ford. That and the room in the crew cab.

Last time I checked GM is the only truck MFR that offered a diesel in a REAL 1/2 ton pick-up from 1982-1999. I don't think any of the Big 4 (or 5 including Nissan) are going to do it though.

yes, I read the press release. I am the one that passed it along after reading it. You have to understand something about GM. to them "all-new" doesn't always mean just that. sometimes it just means "hey we finally got off our lazy butts and decided to update our old technology. hope this gets us by for another 5-7 years!" My family has been GM owners for YEARS, my lifetime actually. back then you could have a truck run it's cycle for 10 years without doing hardly anything to it because the competition wasn't coming out with something new and better every 2-3 years. now, if you keep that same mindset you're going to get killed which is exactly what's happening. did ANYONE on this board ever think DODGE out of all people would have a better interior and up their reliability? I sure didn't and would have laughed at you if you'd told me that back in 2004 when I was driving my first Z71.

yay, GM FINALLY made a crew cab with a 6.5' bed. how many years has Ford and dodge been doing it? I'm sorry but this is a HUGE fail on GM's part with this truck. I wasn't expecting them to take over the world but for crying out loud, I want my tax dollars back if this is what they went for.

 

[clemsonfor]

I have a budy that bought a 10 chevy used. He just had it at GM dealer and engine was rebuilt... why cause his 5.3 AFM has seised rings and was burning oil like crazy. he pulled a trailer with his 30ish HP kubota trailer to his moms. Its like 20 miles and burned a qt or qt and a half of oil going there!!!

 

[timswi]

I have a budy that bought a 10 chevy used. He just had it at GM dealer and engine was rebuilt... why cause his 5.3 AFM has seised rings and was burning oil like crazy. he pulled a trailer with his 30ish HP kubota trailer to his moms. Its like 20 miles and burned a qt or qt and a half of oil going there!!!

My brother had a 2010 Chevy 5.3 with AFM that he towed his boat with every weekend and never had a problem with anything. He traded the x-cab Chevy for a standard cab 2012 GMC 5.3...

 

[timswi]

There's an awful lot of hostility towards a truck no one here has seen in person or driven.

Guess the Dodge 5.7 (GM has used that size for 50 years) or the 5.0 Ford (Ford has used that forever too) must be junk and outdated since the litre designation is the same....Geez.

I'll know how I feel about it once I see one in person and drive one.

 

[RollingsFarms]

There's an awful lot of hostility towards a truck no one here has seen in person or driven.

Guess the Dodge 5.7 (GM has used that size for 50 years) or the 5.0 Ford (Ford has used that forever too) must be junk and outdated since the litre designation is the same....Geez.

I'll know how I feel about it once I see one in person and drive one.

In my opinion the 5.3 WAS a good engine until GM started slapping all this stupid stuff like AFM on it and putting in car-like gears. I know they are trying to achieve fuel numbers but at least offer us the option of something lower then a freaking 3:42 rear end and don't make us have to buy some top of the line package to get it. I was kind of hoping GM would offer the 5.7 again, go back to their roots like Ford and Dodge did, but nope. I was also hoping to see stuff that Ford and Dodge didn't have, not "upgrade"(if that's what you want to call it) to be almost neck and neck with them. This truck was supposed to SURPASS them, in my opinion it barely equals them. I think they made huge leaps and bounds in the interior, however it's still not up to par with the top trim levels from Dodge and ford. I don't need to go drive a Prius to know I wouldn't want one, and I won't go drive this new truck from GM because it's too close to what they already have. I hated my 2011, except for the 6.2 but they've even gone and screwed with that now. I was expecting groundbreaking and all I see is a truck that MAY BE competitive for 2-3 years until Ford, Dodge, and Toyota decide to leave them in the dust....again. then it'll be another 7 years before they try to equal them again. I'm really starting to believe they don't want to overtake Ford for the top spot, they are quite content with 2nd place....and that's slipping away because Dodge is pushing hard for it.

 

[buickanddeere]

Some of you are missing the point with the DIRECT INJECTION and the 11 to 1 mechanical compression/expansion ratio on regular gas.
The variable valve timing is a simple method to match valve timing with rpms. No EGR valve either.
Why change the shortblock, they were proven and bullet proof. Save some development money.
What advances are there left to make on the body and frame? They have been as light, strong and aerodynamic as possible for the past 13 years with conventional cost effective materials. Nothing to change in transmissions either.

 

[LWG]

My father owned GM products since the '30s. I owned them all my life. GM (and Chrysler) are dead to me.

 

[buickanddeere]

well even if they do plan on bringing a diesel I can PROMISE you they will do it AFTER Ford and Dodge do it and have been doing it for a few years. then GM will be running around screaming "all-new! all-new!". uh, no, all-new means you came up with an idea that no one else had, it doesn't mean you dressed up your outdated truck and still lag behind the rest because your "todays" technology is your competitions "yesterdays" technology. this is most of the reason GM lost me as a lifelong loyal customer recently.

The only reason there are European light diesel vehicles is government meddling. If diesel was taxed and priced the same as gasoline. The diesel market would collapse over night.

 

[Peacock]

The rear gears are so much taller because the new transmissions have so much more gear in them. A 3.42 gear with the new 6at trans has a lower first gear than the 4L60e did with 4.10's.

You are getting your cake and eating it too. You can't base anything off just the rear gear ratio. The new transmissions have a much greater ratio spread while minimizing rom drop on shifts. It's all about torque multiplication.

 

[Peacock]

Some of you are missing the point with the DIRECT INJECTION and the 11 to 1 mechanical compression/expansion ratio on regular gas.
The variable valve timing is a simple method to match valve timing with rpms. No EGR valve either.
Why change the shortblock, they were proven and bullet proof. Save some development money.

I know what you are trying to say, but the new engines don't share shortblocks with any of the old engines. They are effectively clean sheet.

 

[RollingsFarms]

Some of you are missing the point with the DIRECT INJECTION and the 11 to 1 mechanical compression/expansion ratio on regular gas.
The variable valve timing is a simple method to match valve timing with rpms. No EGR valve either.
Why change the shortblock, they were proven and bullet proof. Save some development money.
What advances are there left to make on the body and frame? They have been as light, strong and aerodynamic as possible for the past 13 years with conventional cost effective materials. Nothing to change in transmissions either.

strong bodies? you're joking, right? I wish I could have shown you the difference in body strength between my 2004 and my 2011. your jaw would hit the ground. my 2004 gave me 8 good years of trouble free service and reliability. the paint started to ship in places on my 2011 within 5 months. the seats in my 2011 had just as much wear on them in one year as the seats on my 2004 after 8 years. I'm glad they finally got VVT. my Tacoma has had it since 2003. I see they finally added rear disc brakes, whoopie. they come STANDARD on other full-size trucks and have for YEARS. They didn't need to save any money on this truck, but you can tell they did. this truck is/was going to make or break them and while I think it will be competitive, I forsee GM going back on their hands and knees to Uncle Barry begging for more gimmie. All they did was add stuff to their trucks that everyone else has had for years.

 

[timswi]

strong bodies? you're joking, right? I wish I could have shown you the difference in body strength between my 2004 and my 2011. your jaw would hit the ground. my 2004 gave me 8 good years of trouble free service and reliability. the paint started to ship in places on my 2011 within 5 months. the seats in my 2011 had just as much wear on them in one year as the seats on my 2004 after 8 years. I'm glad they finally got VVT. my Tacoma has had it since 2003. I see they finally added rear disc brakes, whoopie. they come STANDARD on other full-size trucks and have for YEARS. They didn't need to save any money on this truck, but you can tell they did. this truck is/was going to make or break them and while I think it will be competitive, I forsee GM going back on their hands and knees to Uncle Barry begging for more gimmie. All they did was add stuff to their trucks that everyone else has had for years.

Not sure what you're referring to here...My 2001 Tahoe, 2004 Z71, 2006 Hummer and 2011 GMC all had/have rear disks..Nothing new there.

BTW, not sure why you hated your 2011, I love my 2011 GMC 6.2 and have no desire to buy anything else for a few years, at least. I'm still trying to figure out what your expectation is for this...Not giving you a hard time but I'd like a picture of what you expected.

AFM is here to stay until something else takes it's place...6 speeds are everywhere, 8 speeds are out there too...Soon they will all be VHT or something like that...I'm happy with the 6 speed I have.

I run my truck 65 miles roundtrip every day on interstates and I have no paint issues..Still looks like glass...My leather seats still look like new after almost 40k...

 

[Diamondpilot]

I have noticed the drum brakes on GM trucks also. Ford and the Imports have been all disc for 10 years or so. I know the high trim line GM trucks had disc but to not make them standard until now was just stupid.

Chris

 

[timswi]

I have noticed the drum brakes on GM trucks also. Ford and the Imports have been all disc for 10 years or so. I know the high trim line GM trucks had disc but to not make them standard until now was just stupid.

Chris

I'm personally agnostic about rear disks..Had both and if the drums are set up correctly they work fine...I'm sure disks are better for some things, I just never cared one way or the other and I still don't...Haven't had a truck with drums in close to 10 years.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I'm personally agnostic about rear disks..Had both and if the drums are set up correctly they work fine...I'm sure disks are better for some things, I just never cared one way or the other and I still don't...Haven't had a truck with drums in close to 10 years.

What?????? You must be the only guy in American thst likes drums. Disc are much more efficent, weigh less, easier to inspect, easier to work on, and reduce unsprung weight.

Heck, I even have disc brakes on two of my three trailers.

Chris

 

[timswi]

What?????? You must be the only guy in American thst likes drums. Disc are much more efficent, weigh less, easier to inspect, easier to work on, and reduce unsprung weight.

Heck, I even have disc brakes on two of my three trailers.

Chris

Maybe I am...Inspection is certainly easier...Beyond that I never cared and I still don't....Don't really care about unsprung weight either for the relatively small amount the difference becomes.

I've never found drums to be difficult to work on...I have two classic Chevy cars both with front disk (there is a difference) and drum rears.

I grew up working on drums, so I have no problem with them.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Maybe I am...Inspection is certainly easier...Beyond that I never cared and I still don't....Don't really care about unsprung weight either for the relatively small amount the difference becomes.

I've never found drums to be difficult to work on...I have two classic Chevy cars both with front disk (there is a difference) and drum rears.

I grew up working on drums, so I have no problem with them.

I grew up working on them also and still do weekly on trailers. I guess you are just old skool or just in the GM can do no wrong camp. If I had a classic car the first thing I would do would be to upgrade the brakes to disc all around. Every magazine and Sunday morning car show that is what they do and for good reason. I would venture to say that when I upgraded my 12,000# and 18,000# trailers from drums to disc brakes I cut the stopping distance by 30 to 40%.

Its a proven fact that disc brakes are far superior to drums. Its progress and not that hard to understand. Glad I drive brands that have it figured out.

Chris

 

[timswi]

I grew up working on them also and still do weekly on trailers. I guess you are just old skool or just in the GM can do no wrong camp. If I had a classic car the first thing I would do would be to upgrade the brakes to disc all around. Every magazine and Sunday morning car show that is what they do and for good reason. I would venture to say that when I upgraded my 12,000# and 18,000# trailers from drums to disc brakes I cut the stopping distance by 30 to 40%.

Its a proven fact that disc brakes are far superior to drums. Its progress and not that hard to understand. Glad I drive brands that have it figured out.

Chris

My feelings on the matter have nothing to do with GM...I leave my old cars original....I don't drive like an idiot, so drums have never given me any problems...Ever.

As far as disks being easier to work on, care to explain why Ford was the first to introduce torx heads on caliper bolts?...That was fun...No wonder parts stores sold hex heads to replace them...If you could get them out. i couldn't belive it the first time I saw that.

Lighten up..I play the hand I'm dealt no matter what style of brakes I face.

 

[schmism]

if the drums are set up correctly they work fine...

I suppose braking performance doesnt matter? I mean i understand drums WORK.... but there is a reason the were dropped LONG LONG ago for front brakes. performance!

Shure you could buy a GM truck with drums on it and not care, but then again all your competition has had discs for a while and out perform them hands down and today its performance that sells. (which is why toyota can walk into big american truck league and walk off with a big bite of market share in a very short time)

 

[Diamondpilot]

My feelings on the matter have nothing to do with GM...I leave my old cars original....I don't drive like an idiot, so drums have never given me any problems...Ever.

As far as disks being easier to work on, care to explain why Ford was the first to introduce torx heads on caliper bolts?...That was fun...No wonder parts stores sold hex heads to replace them...If you could get them out. i couldn't belive it the first time I saw that.

Lighten up..I play the hand I'm dealt no matter what style of brakes I face.

Say what you want but you are in a 1 percent minority.

I mean come on. We all grew up dealing with carburetors and points but today you could not give most people something with them including me.

Of course just like they make disc brake kits for this old iron they also make efi systems and electronic ignitions.

Chris