OK, now I'm really confused

rjwerth · Oct 17, 2012

Perhaps you shouldn't shop for a tractor in your tuxedo!

Glad you found what you were looking for. I was going to suggest you contact my Kioti dealer or the good folks at MIE here in Michigan if you were looking for a Kioti. Either of these great dealers would have saved you thousands as well....even after trucking.

k0ua · Oct 17, 2012

Well I thought Barlows, could probably help you out. I am glad you got an acceptable deal, and congratulations on your new machine,. Post it up when you can, and let us know how you are getting along with it.:thumbsup:

James K0UA

s219 · Oct 17, 2012

Nice going! Be sure to share some pictures!

kboggs · Oct 18, 2012

Yep glad to hear you found it with the price you wanted! Nothing like a new piece of equipment to play on. I haven't made up my mind on a tractor yet but will wait till late winter to decide. Post some pics cause I want to see the new piece.

Kevin.

kboggs · Oct 18, 2012

Yep glad to hear you found it with the price you wanted! Nothing like a new piece of equipment to play on. I haven't made up my mind on a tractor yet but will wait till late winter to decide. Post some pics cause I want to see the new piece.

Kevin.

crazyal · Oct 18, 2012

We like pictures. Just think, you now have to find a way to sleep at night until it to shows up.

PandDLong · Oct 19, 2012

Quote:

"BTW, gauges keep track of engine hours at full RPM. So unless you run wide open all the time, don't be surprised if at the end of the day you've put on less hours than you expected. "

Having just gone through a tractor buying process, I was surprised to learn that hour-meter no longer work this way, they are just "key-on" hours (even if the tractor isn't even running!). At least this is true for JD & Kubota. I don't know when the change happened as my old JD 850 and MF135 before that had their hour-meters as part of the tachometer and measured engine hours at some fixed RPM. So some time between 1980 and 2012, it changed.

It's too bad as I always thought the engine hours measurement through the tach was a brilliant measurement of usage. "key-on" - not so much.

Teikas Dad · Oct 19, 2012

crazyal said:
We like pictures. Just think, you now have to find a way to sleep at night until it to shows up.

Sleep?....Sleep? Who's got time to sleep?! I'm either looking out the front window for the delivery truck or I'm out in the barn getting the new baby's room ready. I've already painted it Kubota orange and have filters and lube supplies all lined up ready to go on the changing table in case the baby needs a diaper...oops, I mean a filter change.

When I'm not doing that I'm on my wife's John Deere lawnmower. I duct taped a shovel to a 2X4 at a 45 degree angle and ziptied it to the rear of the lawn tractor sticking up like a backhoe. Then I took a couple pieces of 1 inch pipe and duct taped them to the hood with a cardboard box cut in half on the front like a front end loader. I painted the John Deere orange and I'm driving around the yard making tractor noises! I already had a long talk with the John Deere and explained to him even though there's a new baby coming we will still love him....it's just that the new baby will require a little more attention.

Sleep?....who's got time to sleep? I'll sleep when I'm dead! I've got a new Kubota coming!!!!:cool2:

Gale Hawkins · Oct 19, 2012

PandDLong said:
It's too bad as I always thought the engine hours measurement through the tach was a brilliant measurement of usage. "key-on" - not so much.

But it does measure the hours of wear put on the engine, oil, etc.

Would you want to come back three days after leaving the key on and see 72 hours added to the clock.

PandDLong · Oct 19, 2012

Exactly, it really bugs me that if I just leave the key on, I'm going to get all those hours added on without any engine wear.

Anyone know how to add on an 'actual' engine hours guage?

s219 · Oct 19, 2012

My Kubota has a mechanical hour meter -- pretty sure it's tied to the tach, which is also mechanical.

I can see how digital/LCD hour meters may just measure key-on time, but the mechanical ones are definitely tied to RPM somehow.

CBW1999 · Oct 20, 2012

Teikas Dad said:
Sleep?....Sleep? Who's got time to sleep?!
Sleep?....who's got time to sleep? I'll sleep when I'm dead! I've got a new Kubota coming!!!!:cool2:

Don't forget that for the first few nights you'll want to sleep in the barn with it so it doesn't get scared......

rScotty · Oct 20, 2012

PandDLong said:
Quote:

"BTW, gauges keep track of engine hours at full RPM. So unless you run wide open all the time, don't be surprised if at the end of the day you've put on less hours than you expected. "

Having just gone through a tractor buying process, I was surprised to learn that hour-meter no longer work this way, they are just "key-on" hours (even if the tractor isn't even running!). At least this is true for JD & Kubota. I don't know when the change happened as my old JD 850 and MF135 before that had their hour-meters as part of the tachometer and measured engine hours at some fixed RPM. So some time between 1980 and 2012, it changed.

It's too bad as I always thought the engine hours measurement through the tach was a brilliant measurement of usage. "key-on" - not so much.

Darn! I wonder when that got changed?....and why? It does explain why I seem to rack up hours quickly on the M59 as opposed to the other three older tractors. No real harm done, as we were talking about older tractors in that post anyway, and one of the points being made was that when considering a tractor's hours and condition it's way better to go with condition.
This new way of measuring engine hours by the time the key is on instead of by the number of times that the engine rotates is sure counter-intuitive. Whatever the reason for the change, we can safely bet that the idea didn't come from the technical, mechanical, or engineering side of Kubota.

If true, one can only hope that JD & Kubota's Engineering Dept. got something useful in exchange when they swapped away that traditional and useful rev-counting hour meter. Hopefully it was something to benefit the consumer.....maybe an extra 200 psi on the hydraulic specs, or maybe a thicker coat of corrosion protection. We'll never know, but one can hope something like that is what happened.
rScotty

CBW1999 · Oct 20, 2012

Probably made the change when they realized that "key-on" hours led to quicker routine maintenance. Engine hours may not have racked up quick enough for the added revenue from those supplies.

rScotty · Oct 21, 2012

CBW1999 said:
Probably made the change when they realized that "key-on" hours led to quicker routine maintenance. Engine hours may not have racked up quick enough for the added revenue from those supplies.

What?? Do you think that dealers really make money on those routine maintenance visits? I thought everyone negotiated a warranty's worth of that commodity as part of the purchase price....Where I come from that's the way it is commonly done.
rScotty

yankeerider · Oct 21, 2012

Teikas Dad Congrats on the new machine headed your way.

As to the topic of engine hour meters, I suspect that the change occurred when hour meters became electric rather than driven by a mechanical tachometer. Frankly, I'd rather have an electric meter. Would you want to buy a machine with seemingly low hours just because the owner lugged it most of it's life, rather than operating it at the rpm it was designed to be at? In over 20 years, I've never once accidently left the key on on any of my machines.

Sent from my iPad using TractorByNet

Carl Bert · Oct 21, 2012

yankeerider said:
Teikas Dad Congrats on the new machine headed your way.

As to the topic of engine hour meters, I suspect that the change occurred when hour meters became electric rather than driven by a mechanical tachometer. Frankly, I'd rather have an electric meter. Would you want to buy a machine with seemingly low hours just because the owner lugged it most of it's life, rather than operating it at the rpm it was designed to be at? In over 20 years, I've never once accidently left the key on on any of my machines.

Sent from my iPad using TractorByNet

My hour meter on my John Deere X595 has a digital hour meter. After reading some of the other threads about hour meters, I was curious to see if it was counting actual time or not. I left the key on and timed it. To my surprise, no hours were being added, just because the key was on. There is a small symbol on the bottom of the hour meter that flashes on and off when the engine is running. If its not flashing, it's not adding up any time, and as I said, it only flashes when the engine is running.

I haven't checked my B26 yet, but as far as the JD, the concern I always had about accidentally leaving the key on no longer exists.

CBW1999 · Oct 21, 2012

rScotty said:
What?? Do you think that dealers really make money on those routine maintenance visits? I thought everyone negotiated a warranty's worth of that commodity as part of the purchase price....Where I come from that's the way it is commonly done.
rScotty

Well, if you do the service yourself it costs less, much less than having the dealership do it. So- yeah they do make quite a bit of money on it. I do like the idea of getting all those goodies thrown in as part of the initial deal. There are only so many hats one can own....

yankeerider said:
Teikas Dad Congrats on the new machine headed your way.

As to the topic of engine hour meters, I suspect that the change occurred when hour meters became electric rather than driven by a mechanical tachometer. Frankly, I'd rather have an electric meter. Would you want to buy a machine with seemingly low hours just because the owner lugged it most of it's life, rather than operating it at the rpm it was designed to be at? In over 20 years, I've never once accidently left the key on on any of my machines.

Sent from my iPad using TractorByNet

Very true statement. Wouldn't it be nice to have some type of ability to see all that variable data. Unfortunately, another added expense

LBrown59 · Oct 21, 2012

I bought this whole truck load from BARLOWS.
Couldn't be happier with the price the tractors or the dealer.

Guesseral · Oct 22, 2012

If you are still worried about any warrenty work or you feel the dealer is putting you off undually call Kubota and see how or where they suggest to get your warrenty work done. There is always a dealer who doesn't have a problem doing warrenty work for tractors sold by others, as long as they get paid that is. Oh yea congrads on the new bota!