4200 fuel in oil

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stingray1

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John Deere 4200 w/backhoe, Ford 3000,Case 580 backhoe
My 4200 is getting fuel in my crankcase. I'm thinking it is possibly a seal leaking in the injector pump,a ruptured diaphragm in the fuel pump or a leaking injector.Any help,advice or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
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Anyone else care to give an educated guess or have had this problem with the 4000 series.All help is appreciated.Thanks
 
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Fuel in oil is usually caused by an injector leaking down. Pull the injectors & have a diesel shop test them. They can confirm if the injectors are bad & rebuild them if necessary *** far less Thn what JD would charge.
 
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As it was said, 99% of the time this is a leaking injector.

When the injector leaks fuel, it puts more fuel in the cylinder than is intended to be there. It will inevitably make it's way past the rings on the pistons, and run down the walls of the cylinder liners, until it reaches the crankcase, where it will accumulate. A lot of times you can smell it before even checking the oil. The crankcase ventilation tube that gives off fumes from the crankcase will smell like diesel. This is my experience with much larger diesel engines than on these tractors, I am not even sure if these tractors have a crankcase vent that is open to the atmosphere?

A word of advice. If your replacing 1 injector, do ALL of them. 7 times out of 10, if you only do the bad one, a few months down the road, the others will go. You have to remember the other injectors have just as many hours on them as the one that went bad, they likely are not far behind. The engine would already be torn down and all fuel injectors easy to reach, don't pay to have the engine torn down multiple times, replace all of them in one go and forget about it.
 
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I hate to go against the majority, but in my experience the culprit has been usually the fuel transfer pump. Next in line would be the injection pump. If an injector is leaking enough to leak fuel past the rings, there should be other indications. Does the engine start normally and run normally?
 
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I hate to go against the majority, but in my experience the culprit has been usually the fuel transfer pump. Next in line would be the injection pump. If an injector is leaking enough to leak fuel past the rings, there should be other indications. Does the engine start normally and run normally?
I pulled the pump yesterday,took it apart and the diaphragm looked like new I was hoping for a little bit of luck and a quick fix but, I guess I can scratch that. The engine has around 750 hrs it starts up and runs normal.The way my luck has been going lately it's probably the injector pump.
 
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Anyone have any advice on testing the injectors and/or pulling the injector pump?
 
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Anyone else care to give an educated guess or have had this problem with the 4000 series.All help is appreciated.Thanks

Anyone?
 
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Does it blow black smoke like its getting to much fuel or does the crankcase just fill completely with diesel?
 
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Does it blow black smoke like its getting to much fuel or does the crankcase just fill completely with diesel?
Tractor has 750 hrs,no black/white smoke,lift pump good doesn't cut out or misfire runs as it should other than putting fuel in the crankcase. THANKS.
 
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Find a injector/pump repair shop. They will have an injector, and pump test bench. They can tell you right away if there good or bad. They can fix everything right there too.

You need to get the shop manual, if you don't already have it. It will tell you how to install the pump, and time it.
 
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I would start by just pulling the injectors. 99% of the time that is the problem. you can pull a set of injectors in 10 minutes vs. the couple of hours it will take to pull & reinstall and tims the pump.

As said before a diesel pump/injector shop will be able to bench test the injectors & rebuild if necessary.
 
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Listen to jd110. The engine is running fine and starting fine, that indicates that everything is fine in the combustion chamber, follow the evidence.
 
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Listen to jd110. The engine is running fine and starting fine, that indicates that everything is fine in the combustion chamber, follow the evidence.
I agree.
 
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I stopped at a local diesel injector/pump repair shop and described everything to the owner who was very busy at the time said to check the fuel return line at the bowl.I looked at the line after I got back home the line tee's off from the pump to the tank and the fuel filter bowl. Is there a check valve in the bowl? Should I remove the hose at the pump and blow out the lines? Anyone have any idea on this? I've had to work the last few day's and haven't had the time to check this out.Thanks
 
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any resolution to this issue? I have a 2320 with the diesel in the oil.. Sample is at Blackstone for confirmation though
 
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any resolution to this issue? I have a 2320 with the diesel in the oil.. Sample is at Blackstone for confirmation though
No,I changed the oil/filter and used maybe 1 hour since last post. I believe problem is with a bad seal in the injector pump.have you found/fixed yours yet?
 
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I looked at the engine very closely and there appeared to be some fuel on the bracket below the injector.. BUT since i wiped it off I havent seen anymore there..

Im like you i think i need more run time to see whats going on.. I was all set to replace that lift pump though..

Brian
 
 
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