Gc2610 Hydraulic shudder

[liberty2701]

I am coming up on my 50 hr service. My hydraulic system started to vibrate/shudder at around 20 hrs and has gotten worse. It shudders when operating the backhoe,raising the bucket with a load or turning the steering wheel all the way. I know my dealer uses Kubota UDT fluid. I am going to switch over to Amsoil next week. Just wondering if this is a function of 50 hr old fluid or is something wrong that I should bring to the attention of the dealer or is this a normal feeling?

 

[ray66v]

I am coming up on my 50 hr service. My hydraulic system started to vibrate/shudder at around 20 hrs and has gotten worse. It shudders when operating the backhoe,raising the bucket with a load or turning the steering wheel all the way.

Someone had this once. I can't remember for sure, but I think it was the hoses connected wrong on the backhoe. Did you take it off?

I know my dealer uses Kubota UDT fluid.

Your tractor was filled from the factory with Permatran.

Just wondering if this is a function of 50 hr old fluid

Did you wonder how the same fluid will last hundreds of hours for your next interval, if yours was failing after 50 hours?

50 hour fluid is the same as brand new fluid. In fact, some manufacturers have even stopped recommending a 50 hour change on their transmissions.

 

[liberty2701]

I understand that the fluid itself is not worn out. It could just be loaded with particles from the break-in that are smaller than the filter rating (maybe the suction filter is loaded). The hoses are hooked to the color code. I even tried reversing them with no noticeable change. I read that previous post about the hoses so that is why I reversed them. I guess we will see after I do my 50 hr service. Also, which hose is the return to sump hose? Is it the one by itself?

 

[ray66v]

Main filter catches small particles, and dirt. A clogged main filter at this point, is not realistically possible.

Suction strainer being clogged is a possible cause, but it would be the first one. It is designed to trap debris, so it has to have enough surface area to be able to handle some material, and still allow flow. Those who found debris there, have not reported issues.

My unit does not have a return hose, so I don't know the answer to your question.

 

[cdaigle430]

I am coming up on my 50 hr service. My hydraulic system started to vibrate/shudder at around 20 hrs and has gotten worse. It shudders when operating the backhoe,raising the bucket with a load or turning the steering wheel all the way. I know my dealer uses Kubota UDT fluid. I am going to switch over to Amsoil next week. Just wondering if this is a function of 50 hr old fluid or is something wrong that I should bring to the attention of the dealer or is this a normal feeling?

I am meeting the Massey Ferguson rep on this very same issue, had it from the start, at first it only occurred in the bh and now it happens everywhere and is getting more profound. I now have 70 hours and the stealership told me they can't duplicate the problem. This is not normal because hydraulics should be smooth. My warranty ends in a few months and I Want this either fixed, or they take it back. Been around tractors all my life so I know this is not normal! I had high hopes that changing hydraulic fluids and filters would relieve these symptoms, even the screen was completely clean when I checked it.

 

[liberty2701]

Let me know what happens. I am going to monitor mine closely. I am switching over to Amsoil next week and will post if I notice anything different.

 

[dc23768]

I had a simalar problem occur after my 50 hour change for my cg2410
I had the Dealer look at it and they found that from the factory the retunr line and the return to sump line where switched

 

[liberty2701]

I am trying to determine which is the return to sump line. Is it the shortest line by itself?

 

[dc23768]

I realy cant say te Dealer changed the lines around and then re color coded them so I am not sure

 

[cdaigle430]

I am meeting the Massey Ferguson rep on this very same issue, had it from the start, at first it only occurred in the bh and now it happens everywhere and is getting more profound. I now have 70 hours and the stealership told me they can't duplicate the problem. This is not normal because hydraulics should be smooth. My warranty ends in a few months and I Want this either fixed, or they take it back. Been around tractors all my life so I know this is not normal! I had high hopes that changing hydraulic fluids and filters would relieve these symptoms, even the screen was completely clean when I checked it.

Good news-finally! The AGCO Regional rep agrees with me and not the dealership I am not going crazy

 

[liberty2701]

What are they going to do? Please keep me informed as to the status of your situation. PM me if you can.

 

[rjmack]

when is the last time you blew your air filter out?

 

[liberty2701]

Air filter is clean. Just checked last week.

 

[cdaigle430]

What are they going to do? Please keep me informed as to the status of your situation. PM me if you can.

The first thing they are going to try is the main driveshaft-they found some isue with it like rust and that it was out of balance. The main thing for me is they acknowledged it thanks to the AGCO Rep.

 

[rjmack]

Air filter is clean. Just checked last week.

fair enough.

i don't know what the problem with your machines is, and i have had similar problems with mine, but one thing i do know for sure is that if your air filter is dirty, the engine will run rough... and you will feel it in the hydraulics... at least that's the way it is with my machine. i have blown what seems like pounds of dirt out of my air filter and that has, on occasion, solved the problem.

other times it was just a matter of running the machine for a while after removing or installing the backhoe.

overall i'm happy with my machine (236hrs), there have been a few warranty issues, leaking hydraulics (repaired), front engine seal (replaced), premature ball joint wear (replaced) water/condensation freezing in tachometer drive cable (remove/blowdown/and oil), and loader cylinder seal issues (will probably have to rebuild cylinders every few years... probably same issue on all/brand scuts)

btw, if it does turn out to be a serious issue, keep us in the loop and we can be sure to get whatever recalls are necessary installed on ours. :thumbsup:

 

[cdaigle430]

fair enough.

i don't know what the problem with your machines is, and i have had similar problems with mine, but one thing i do know for sure is that if your air filter is dirty, the engine will run rough... and you will feel it in the hydraulics... at least that's the way it is with my machine. i have blown what seems like pounds of dirt out of my air filter and that has, on occasion, solved the problem.

other times it was just a matter of running the machine for a while after removing or installing the backhoe.

overall i'm happy with my machine (236hrs), there have been a few warranty issues, leaking hydraulics (repaired), front engine seal (replaced), premature ball joint wear (replaced) water/condensation freezing in tachometer drive cable (remove/blowdown/and oil), and loader cylinder seal issues (will probably have to rebuild cylinders every few years... probably same issue on all/brand scuts)

btw, if it does turn out to be a serious issue, keep us in the loop and we can be sure to get whatever recalls are necessary installed on ours. :thumbsup:

They are bad *** machines for being a SCUT. For me-it was all about the dealer experience. I would tell them there is something wrong and they would tell my I'm hearing or seeing things and send it back unfixed (they also tried to charge me $150 for the pickup and delivery which infuriated me even more). The shudder was apparent since day one-it was only because it will be out of warranty in May that I insisted it be fixed. Even with the shudder she had more than enough power. The AGCO rep came to my rescue-kudos to AGCO

After the warranty is done-I am done with the dealer so as of today-WANTED: Massey Ferguson Dealer that listens to it's customers! Customer willing to drive 50 miles if need be.


Oops,
looks like the next closest dealer is 70 miles away.

 

[rjmack]

They are bad *** machines for being a SCUT

agreed :thumbsup:

mine doesn't owe me a dime... paid for itself in landscaping/equity in about 2-3 months.

now it's all gravy... and the paint isn't even faded yet.

 

[Kal130]

I'm having a similar problem with my GC. I have about 40 hours on not and it is almost exactly one year old. I pushed lots of snow with it last year and had no problems. This year it seems like the hydraulics make a screaming noise real bad until I have used it for a while. I would attribute it to being cold, but I didn't have the problem last year. I've checked hydraulic fluid level and it appears to be ok. Still sounds like cavitation to me though.

 

[liberty2701]

Screaming is not an issue with mine. Have you ever driven a car with bad u-joints? That is the kind of vibration it feels like. I really focused yesterday while operating and it feels like it comes from the center of the tractor (driveshaft). Much ore pronounced under a load. My transmission whine seems non-existent since I switched to Amsoil.

 

[radrock]

Ah. Thought I'd throw in my two cents worth.... I have a MF 1215. 14 years old now. When I bought it new it developed a shutter as well at about 20 hours after owning it. It being a Sunday and nothing could be done I decided to investigate my self. I removed the Hydraulic strainer to see if I had any metal there. Lord behold there was a large bolt in the strainer. I put it back together (without the bolt) and it ran like a champ. I took it back to the dealer to have them check it out the next day. They said it all looked fine and that size bolt was not used in this machine at all. Someone at the plant had to be jacking around. Has run great every since. I did have one other time it did something similar. I had just taken it and power washed it. Somehow I managed to inject water into the hydraulics. Through the vent is the only way I found possible. Your oil will get real milky. I had to drain it and refill it twice to work all the water back out. Never washed it since. Haha