1 Set Rear Remotes - 3 Attachments to Run?

[gilbertmsg]

I have a Kioti CK 20 with one set of rear remotes (from what I understand it can only support one). Have hydraulic thumb on bucket and backhoe attachment and hydraulic cylinder on 3 point hitch. I can only use one attachment a time but would like to keep from getting off tractor and unhooking hoses from one to the other. Is there any valve or diverter that can be used on this tractor? Don't have much room behind seat because of fuel tank and backhoe seat. Thanks for your comments.

Eddie

 

[J_J]

It would depend on how the BH is plumbed into the tractor.

If your BH valve has PB, just add another valve to the PB port for the thumb.

This would be the flow path if done right.

If you have FEL, from pump to FEL valve, PB out to BH valve, thumb, 3pt.

A selector/diverter valve will switch between two circuits using a switch .

Surplus Center - SAE 8 6 GPM DOUBLE SELECTOR VALVE 12 VDC P15544-2

http://www.surpluscenter.com/Instruct/I9-5117-A.pdf

 

[gilbertmsg]

Thanks for your reply JJ. I understand what you are saying even though I'm not very inclinded in how the system works. Backhoe has two hoses that I hook up to rear remote, then move A-B selector on platform to A for backhoe operation. When hoe is unhooked, hook thumb to remote and use same selector, A is open, B closes on bucket. Same with 3 point top link cylinder (just moves in and out).

Eddie

 

[Brad_Blazer]

Is the "thumb" on the loader? We usually call that a grapple. I run my grapple from this diverter valve on the bucket dump circuit. Solenoid Valves 220-934 Detailed Information
The valve doesn't look like the picture but it just needs a switch to mount on your joystick and some 45 degree adapters to attach the hoses to the valves. (90 degree adapters will not thread in because the ports are close together) When you push the button the dump valve operates the grapple. This manual shows how it's done: http://www.hydraulicstore.com/images/pdf/Trausch_Dynamics_Selectplus.pdf

Set up a power beyond loop for the BH. The BH valve may need an adapter to separate the power beyond flow from the return flow. The power beyond loop is really a set of quick-connects in the hydraulic line that supplies the 3ph valve. With the engine off you divert that flow through the backhoe valve. You also need to add a quick-connect to the tank return for the BH valve return flow.

Run the hydraulic top link (or side link) from the rear remote.

Pics - 1. Bailey selector valve, 2. joystick button from NAPA installed in my existing handle, 3. grapple, 4. where I split my line for power beyond to the BH, 5. return quick-connect and low pressure filter.

 

[J_J]

Thumb to me goes on a BH, and grapple goes on the bucket.

In my opinion, you need a diverter/selector valve up front for the grapple.

If your remote valve has PB, and that goes to the 3pt, you have everything you need.

Since you said you plug in two hoses to the remote for the BH, perhaps you don't have PB on the BH valve.

Where is the OUT port from the remote valve going.

Just about every hyd valve has an out port, with a pressure limit of 300 to about 500 psi, and this should go to tank/return hose. If you use this kind of valve in the middle of a series circuit, you run the risk of providing to much back pressure to the valve.

Can you describe the path of the pump fluid through all valves to the tank.

 

[J_J]

Now I understand why you have to shift hoses. With a grapple, a diverter valve is plumbed into the curl circuit and the switch switches between the grapple and curl on the bucket.

If your FEL valve has PB, the I would plumb the grapple into the curl circuit.

I would then obtain a one or two spool valve with PB and install it as the remote valve , for things like T-N-T, BH, log splitter, or anything else that you might use.

The way you would plumb the remote would be from FEL-PB out to the input of the remote valve, and the PB from the remote to 3 pt . The out hose from the remote would go to tank. Install QD in the work ports of the remote valve.

To operate BH, you bungee one of the spools to provide fluid to the BH.

 

[gilbertmsg]

Some pictures to look at to get a better idea of what I should/could do. Grapple/thumb is attached to bucket, it is plumbed from rear remotes. I would like to run something from rear remotes if possible to use backhoe/hydraulic top link and grapple/thumb (one at a time) which I connect into same rear remote that grapple/thumb is currently hooked to.

Thanks!!

Eddie

Runs to loader

Thumb/Grapple - Hoses runs from rear remote

Orange lever controls 3 point - Yellow is open/close grappple

My one set of rear remotes

 

[J_J]

Purchasing and installing a remote valve with PB would be ideal.

Redo the diverter valve, and install the remote valve.

Once the BH is plugged in, there will be no switching hoses and all cyl functions. will work

 

[gilbertmsg]

Is that the same thing as a mulitplier?

Eddie

 

[J_J]

I am not sure what you mean.

I would use the diverter/selector valve for the grapple using the curl hyd's. A for curl, and B for grapple.

You probably need remotes at the back for many functions, and the remote valve will let you do that.

You could install as many spools as you like, maybe one spool with detent for the BH or log splitter, or motor spool for a hyd motor.

 

[Brad_Blazer]

JJ, I think his first post said his tractor model only supports 1 factory remote. If the power beyond loop is easily accessible he can certainly add a generic remote valve.

Eddie,
Do you use the hydraulic top link with the backhoe in place? (seems unusual) If not, a single diverter valve for the grapple totally solves your problem. Like I said I prefer to divert the dump/curl circuit for that. It frees up an operating hand and everything is contained on the loader frame.

If you do need the top link and backhoe both hooked up, an alternative to running the BH from a power beyond loop is to run it from a diverter on the rear remote.

If you want to split the rear remote using a diverter a manual diverter valve might work better since it detents in either position. The solenoid can do that if you use a toggle switch but it will draw power when activated.
Surplus Center - 1/2" NPT 20 GPM DOUBLE SELECTOR VALVE

 

[gilbertmsg]

Brad, I do not use the top link with backhoe attached. Would like to use grapple and backhoe or grapple and top link when backhoe is removed.
Will the valve you posted work for what I have in mind?

Thanks

Eddie

 

[Brad_Blazer]

Great - all you need is what I posted in the first paragraph of my first post. (post #4 in this thread)

Look at pdf "installation guide" in the second link. Scroll down to "step 3 - hydraulic plumbing." The $110 valve I posted in the first link is just like the valve in those instructions. You probably want to attach it to the loader frame where I indicate in the attached picture. You take the quick-connects off the curl hoses and attach those hoses directly to the solenoid valve. Buy 2 short hoses to run from the solenoid valve to the quick-connects, and run the grapple hoses to the solenoid valve just like the diagram. When you want to remove the loader, you just remove the electrical connector from the top of the solenoid (it's included with the valve) and detach the hoses as usual. Unlike the kit in the pdf you have to buy your own momentary push-button switch and wire. Instead of a bracket I just tapped two 1/4-20 holes in the loader frame to mount the valve. The valve doesn't come with any instructions. If you go this route let me know and I can put together the simple wiring diagram.

Now your grapple is totally independent of the rear remote and you can operate the grapple with your joystick hand. The small disadvantage of this setup is that you can't operate the curl and grapple cylinders simultaneously. That has not been an issue for me. You do get full rate control of the grapple through the curl valve.

 

[J_J]

gilbertmsg,

You never did say if you have a PB port on your FEL valve, or if you have a PB port on your BH.

You need PB to add another valve in series like a remote valve for the BH, log splitter or whatever..

 

[gilbertmsg]

Ok, I'm very confused, what does power beyond mean? I have a set of rear remotes on rear of tractor. I mount hoe, connect 2 lines from hoe into remote, set selector valve on platform to A. I can then use backhoe and bucket.

Brad, if you read this post please repost the instructions you had in post #4. I can't open for some reason and cannot find on website.

Thanks!!

Eddie

 

[SSdoxie]

gilbertmsg,

You never did say if you have a PB port on your FEL valve, or if you have a PB port on your BH.

You need PB to add another valve in series like a remote valve for the BH, log splitter or whatever..

PB is already built into the FEL valve, that is what feeds to the rear remote, then 3 pt. When the rear remote is activated return oil from this valve goes directly to tank. 3pt does not function when using rear remote.

 

[J_J]

If the remote valve had PB, the 3pt could function, as the fluid from the remote PB would go to the 3pt line and then to tank.

He may not use it with BH, but would use the 3pt when lifting a log splitter or any other hyd attachment.

 

[Brad_Blazer]

Here is that link again with instructions for the solenoid diverter valve:
http://www.hydraulicstore.com/images/pdf/Trausch_Dynamics_Selectplus.pdf
It works for me from multiple computers.You may have a ribbon pop up asking permission to open the pdf file. It's just a little too big for me to attach directly to this post. If you still can't open it you can pm me with your email and I'll shoot a copy to you.

You don't need to worry about power beyond - that is for installing a full function remote valve or running your backhoe as a full remote valve. All you need is the diverter to control your grapple and you can run the BH or toplink from your existing rear remote valve.

 

[gilbertmsg]

Brad, thanks for sending the link again. It opened this time, no issues.

Other than having to buy hoses and fittings for the Double Selector Valve, looks like it would work for my purposes. With it being manuel level operation, it's much cheaper than the multiplier and looks to do the same thing. Is that right or wrong?

Thanks to all who replied to my post, I would not have had a clue with going into the dealer and spending way too much.

Eddie

 

[DJNebraska]

I bought one of these SelectPLUS for my loader grapple. I love it!

SelectPLUS 12 GPM

Personally, I don't see why a person would try to make a wiring harness, fabricate a mount, and run all over town to get the parts. You'll spend hours doing this. I had it installed and running in less than an hour. The package is $359.99 and comes with everything that you need in one box. All of the wires are already there and they're weatherproof. The switch is weatherproof. I saw one of these at the local farm store selling for $450, so it's not a bad deal.

I had one question about the hydraulic adapters that came with it, so I called their toll-free number. Got a person right away who knew what they were talking about. To me, it's worth it.