Any real differences between DK40/45/50 HST?

[IndyIan]

I'm thinking very hard about getting a new one and I notice the weights of these machines are fairly different.
3847 lbs, 3924 lbs, and 3935 lbs(40, 45, 50) for the HST model of each.
If anything I would've guessed the machines should get a pound or 2 lighter with the slightly larger bores if they used the same engine block for all 3?
I'd probably get the DK40 if there was no difference in weight but an 88 lbs loss from the DK50 in the wrong places could make a big difference I suppose.
My local dealer doesn't have all 3 in stock so I can't eyeball the front axles or radiators for example. All have the same size tire spec'd too so I'm scratching my head on this one.

 

[MarkV]

Depending on your needs, I would look at the PTO hp difference. Power to the back can make a difference depending on what you need or want to run. I would also look at what, if any, the difference between loader capacities are, if you need one.

Don't know that brand well enough to say. You can add weight but you can't add power.

MarkV

 

[MossflowerWoods]

I believe all the DK 35 and up can use the 401 FEL, which has over 2700 lbs lift (I LOVE my DK05SE HST).

I would agree with MarkV and get more PTO power.

I ended up with the 50 for that reason (plus dealer had one with a pre price increase cost that convinced me).

You will love the tractor regardless. it is VERY easy to operate.

Be well,
David

 

[TractorTidy]

DK35 has a KL351 ldr., DK40 and larger, KL 401, 2761 lift cap.
I don't think there is any real differences between 40 and 50. Same frame and chassis.

 

[MotorSeven]

Indy, I'd take any of those three depending on the best deal offered. My 40 does everything I want except it's ground speed(about 11 mph). I do run on the pavement quite a bit, so I just bring a cigar and relax a little

 

[grsthegreat]

I was only looking at a DK40 but my dealer had a cabbed DK45HST on the lot and it was less money then bringing in a 40 or a 50. Im glad i got the 45 cause the cab & A/C rob some of the pto HP.

Mind you in the winter im not using A/C so i have all available HP for the snow blower. I agree with the shop around and get the best price on what is on the lot. I LOVE my lifting capacity as i have to move a gooseneck horse trailer around and the tractor does this with ease. The DK50 is the exact same as the 45 just bored out. Wasnt worth the extra 5 grand that the dealer wanted to bring one into the lot. Its always nice to find a tractor that has been sitting on the lot for awhile... and have cash

 

[IndyIan]

Looking at the specs it seems all three have the same ground speed of 15 mph, maybe that's been changed since 2008?
I don't see myself running anything more pto hp intensive than a 6' brush hog or a 6-7' snow blower. We rarely get more than a foot of snow at a time so maybe with lots of PTO hp I could blow 6" of snow in high range?:laughing:
My local dealer has the DK40 HST for $22,600 all in and delivered + tax. That's his opening offer anyways. The DK45 HST is $24k.
I want Ag tires and maybe I'll pass on the standard bucket on the loader. I want to do some earth moving so I think a narrower bucket with a tooth bar would be a good idea to help ease the strain on the loader pushing into a pile.
I'm still tempted by some older ~60hp tractors which would leave more money for implements and repairs of course!

 

[grsthegreat]

Looking at the specs it seems all three have the same ground speed of 15 mph, maybe that's been changed since 2008?
I don't see myself running anything more pto hp intensive than a 6' brush hog or a 6-7' snow blower. We rarely get more than a foot of snow at a time so maybe with lots of PTO hp I could blow 6" of snow in high range?:laughing:
My local dealer has the DK40 HST for $22,600 all in and delivered + tax. That's his opening offer anyways. The DK45 HST is $24k.
I want Ag tires and maybe I'll pass on the standard bucket on the loader. I want to do some earth moving so I think a narrower bucket with a tooth bar would be a good idea to help ease the strain on the loader pushing into a pile.
I'm still tempted by some older ~60hp tractors which would leave more money for implements and repairs of course!

ive never been able to blow snow in high range......

 

[Coyote machine]

I have the DK-40 and I'd suggest going with the loader provided. It is a good strong loader and going to another one is not going to give any real benefit, IMHO. I've had both the DK-35 and 40 and the loader capacity of the 40 is why I traded the 35 in within a year of buying it.
It's run all my implements without breaking a sweat - see my signature line below. As stated the 45 and 50 are merely more $ and very few anything else except a few HP, for which one pays many more $. Access your HP needs, and deal with what's already on various lots. Make your best deal, and buy what you can afford with various implements to buy later as you can afford them. Regardless of which HP you choose you will like the power to WT/ratio.

 

[MotorSeven]

CM, he just wants to change the bucket not the loader. I did the same but put a bigger bucket w/toothbar on it. I move a lot of dirt and gravel and the big bucket saves me 1/3 in time and trips.

I know it's marketing, but good grief, just bore them all out to 50hp....that would be cheaper in the long run for Kioti. Less machinery, fewer parts, fewer brochures, etc. I bet they could cut the price of the 50 by $3-4K if they only made one model.

 

[SSdoxie]

Weight difference of the 3 models is in the engine. Larger bore and longer stroke with each HP increase, means bigger piston, longer rod, & more metal in the crankshaft. Everything else, except injection system, in the tractors are same parts.

 

[IndyIan]

CM, he just wants to change the bucket not the loader. I did the same but put a bigger bucket w/toothbar on it. I move a lot of dirt and gravel and the big bucket saves me 1/3 in time and trips.

I know it's marketing, but good grief, just bore them all out to 50hp....that would be cheaper in the long run for Kioti. Less machinery, fewer parts, fewer brochures, etc. I bet they could cut the price of the 50 by $3-4K if they only made one model.

I guess its a way to pad profits a bit. I'm not say the extra HP isn't worth more, but it doesn't seem to cost Kioti much more and for cross shopping it would stand out I guess. A 50hp 4000lb tractor with the same price as the current DK40 would make in hard for the other CUT manufacturers to compete. But I guess all the manufacturers do it so maybe the marketers know something we don't?

I think I will probably just go with a 66" bucket and put the difference to a toothbar and loading the rear tires. Is the QA standard on Kioti's to work with a skid steer QA implement?

 

[MossflowerWoods]

Is the QA standard on Kioti's to work with a skid steer QA implement?

Yes sir it is! it is a single lever and easy as pie to switch attachments. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

David

 

[IndyIan]

Yes sir it is! it is a single lever and easy as pie to switch attachments. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

David

Thanks David,
Weither Kioti thinks this forum is important or not, its a strong plus for me for buying a Kioti. Lots of information and troubleshooting sharing makes thinking about owning a tractor much less of a mystery!
For example, there a CaseIH 685 for sale for $16k(no tax for 60+ pto hp) at a dealer but there's no real good online forum for any of the 80's tractors, so I have no idea what are the known problems with that model or how to solve them. Redpower magazine forum is sort of Ok I guess but it seems that not many folks with the old beasts are online and yakking about them.
Also the more I read here about what folks are actually doing with a DK tractor, without stories of breaking them in two, or folding a loader up, the more impressed I am.
I guess with a loader on, a good heavy box blade on the back, and loaded rear tires, its going to be about 6000lbs which is getting close to a regular utility tractor weight and the loader is pretty much the equal of alot of older ~50hp utility tractors in lifting if not dump height.

 

[IslandTractor]

Weight difference of the 3 models is in the engine. Larger bore and longer stroke with each HP increase, means bigger piston, longer rod, & more metal in the crankshaft. Everything else, except injection system, in the tractors are same parts.

I do not think this is correct. The engines probably weigh the same within ten pounds or so. The 40's 2liter engine weighs 205lbs, the 45's 2.2 liter engine (bored out) weighs 208 and the 50's engine (bored and stroked) weighs 215. I think the only difference between the three engines is the bore size/piston diameter for the 40/45 and the different stroke between the 45 and 50.

Kioti's specs are notoriously poorly maintained on their website. I have no trouble imagining that the three different tractor weights are accounted for by poor editing and nothing else. It is possible that manufacturing changes have caused all the tractors to vary a bit from time to time but there are no significant changes in weight between different horsepower models.

 

[IslandTractor]

I know it's marketing, but good grief, just bore them all out to 50hp....that would be cheaper in the long run for Kioti. Less machinery, fewer parts, fewer brochures, etc. I bet they could cut the price of the 50 by $3-4K if they only made one model.

It is certainly a marketing not a manufacturing decision. I cannot imagine it costs more than fifty bucks in different piston sizes for the 40/45/50 engines as they are all the same except as noted earlier. Charging $1500 bucks extra for each 200cc increment in displacement surely does not reflect manufacturing costs at all.

I wonder sometimes why Kioti doesn't just stick the 50 into all of them and blow Kubota's doors off pricewise for the 50hp tractor. Given Kioti could sell it at a handsome profit for what they are charging for the 40 or even 45, they would probably have close to a $10,000 advantage at list over the same HP Kubota. Even Kubota/JD snobs would have trouble walking away from that.

 

[Coyote machine]

CM, he just wants to change the bucket not the loader. I did the same but put a bigger bucket w/toothbar on it. I move a lot of dirt and gravel and the big bucket saves me 1/3 in time and trips.

I know it's marketing, but good grief, just bore them all out to 50hp....that would be cheaper in the long run for Kioti. Less machinery, fewer parts, fewer brochures, etc. I bet they could cut the price of the 50 by $3-4K if they only made one model.[/QUOTE

You're absolutely right! On both counts, and I like the idea of the 50HP at a more reasonable price- heck I would have taken one myself if the price was right!:thumbsup: I meant to say bucket- duh:laughing:
So what bucket did you replace the factory bucket with? Show pics, give link, and $. :licking:

Thanks. And what do you do to move so much dirt/gravel?

 

[Coyote machine]

I agree with Island tractor's assessment of the different tractor weights and such. There is little difference in the overall tractor except the obvious bore and displacement specs for each HP change. And at the factory it is not a big deal to run off a bunch of 40's followed by a bunch of 45's and then a bunch of 50's. It's the same block, so minimal setup time for the overbore and then fitting the longer stroke rods, etc.
Even if they dropped the 45 and just offered the 40 and 50 there would be possible savings to pass along to consumers for the benefit of competing with the other cuts for larger market share.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

So what bucket did you replace the factory bucket with? Show pics, give link, and $. :licking:

Agreed! Inquiring Minds want to know!

David

 

[MotorSeven]

Here ya go:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/124293-who-has-72-bucket-their.html

It's mostly dirt and shale that I move. But I do have a long dirveway that I spread gravel on when i can afford it. My farm has 20 ac of bottomland and subject to flooding yearly(maybe I should plant rice) So I have to bring in fill for any structure and build it up about a foot or two to keep it dry in the springtime. I have 2 different locations I can get slate out of a cut bank, so a bigger bucket saves me a lot of time.
I do kinda wish I had the smaller bucket for back dragging if nothing else..... and a Dump Trailer is in the works.