Oil & Fuel My BX2200 is Barfing parts

[sblackb]

Just picked up a used BX2200d w/FEL and 1200 hours on it this winter for $6600 and the only maintenance I didn't do right away was the hydraulic fluid/filter change. Tonight when I dropped the oil from the HST, three 1/4 inch bearing fell out with the oil. As you can imagine, so did my stomach. Screen had some metal on it, but not full. Any ideas what I'm in for and possibly what it might be?

Thanks,

Scott

 

[charleyfarmall]

I have no idea what those are from, but I feel for you. Ugh. What a sick feeling.

 

[sblackb]

I should probably add that all has been working fine up to the oil change. The HST seemed louder than normal last time I was using it, but I always think the HST is loud. Wonder if I should park or wait for a full failure?

 

[kuboman]

I should probably add that all has been working fine up to the oil change. The HST seemed louder than normal last time I was using it, but I always think the HST is loud. Wonder if I should park or wait for a full failure?

I would say park it has you have not had a catastrophic failure. I would get a lot more expensive if it really piles up inside.

 

[bp fick]

Some of the guys here have found simply replacing the trans is quicker and just as cheap as splitting it and working all the parts over. Something to think about. $1500 is the number most often mentioned.

 

[Baby Grand]

Any chance they were "leftover" trashed parts & chips from a previous repair? I have had a devil of a time finding small parts after a fumble when doing an overhaul.

 

[sblackb]

Well, so far the only repairs I've done is filters, fluids and a flat. so it's possible that the previous owner dropped em, but he said he had done no major repairs.

If the trans is shot, does anyone know of a place to buy rebuilts that might be cheaper that Kubota? What about internal parts?

Looking at the exploded drawing of the trans, it looks like these could have come from one of seven bearing assemblies in the system. Can the trans be pulled from the rear or is a split really needed? Is the trans a DIY project at all?

 

[sblackb]

Quick update:

Ran into the Kubota dealer to get another gallon of S-UTD and showed the parts guy the parts. He had seen nothing like it and said that service would need to check it out. Said there was no "replacement HST" option, rather, all the parts are sold separate. Ugg.

The interesting thing is after the fluid was up to the correct level, I tested out the tractor a bit more. Forward and reverse in 2wd is great. Smooth, and pretty quiet compared to before. Makes me wonder what fluid was in it. PTO and, hydraulics, and power steering all worked as normal. The interesting part is that when I put it in 4wd, there is a definite vibration and sort of a grinding, but not loud. I'm thinking it's somewhere in that side of the HST that I have an issue. There are three bearing assemblies that appear to be on the 4wd shaft.

 

[Wacky]

Quick update:

Said there was no "replacement HST" option, rather, all the parts are sold separate. Ugg.

That doesn't sound right, I would call a different dealer and ask them. I would not run the unit if at all possible to prevent collateral damage to something else. Keep the damage to a minimum if possible. That is just my opinion. If a new tranny is only $1500, that is pretty reasonable. Good luck.

 

[BotaBigot]

I'm thinking it's somewhere in that side of the HST that I have an issue. There are three bearing assemblies that appear to be on the 4wd shaft.

Noise/vibration there tends to confirm, but might want to test mid/rear pto function just to be thorough...

 

[BXpanded]

Scott,
Sorry, but "wishin' don't make it so!" and "steel don't heal!"

You absolutely KNOW something in there is amiss or you wouldn't have parts in your hand. You KNOW you're gonn'a have to open the case to repair the broken parts. You KNOW that running/ driving, etc. is not going to make it better, and almost certainly will make it worse.

Don't run it! Decide whether you want the dealer to tear it down, or whether you want to do the work. Then do it and find out what's wrong. It might just be a broken bearing that hasn't yet ripped up anything else and might only cost $30 and some oil and filter.

 

[sblackb]

Indeed I'm in for an overhaul, but we are right in the middle of several projects, plus mow season. I guess I'm wondering if it's just an issue on the 4wd side, can I keep it in 2wd and keep the blown parts from spinning thus causing more damage? I have tested the PTO, steering, and and 2wd high and low and the only part that seems a bit noisy is the 4wd. Since there is no "rebuild kit," parts will need to be ordered once they are identified, so the tractor will be down a couple weeks I bet.

 

[bp fick]

I'd confirm that availability of a new or re-built trans with another dealer as well. I'd also call Messicks or Barlows if I thought I needed to check even further.

 

[crazyal]

My guess is you may not be in too bad of shape......... if you stop now and have it torn apart. You may just need a new bearing. If you don't it'll cost you a lot. I would get a quote (unless you think you can do it) to have the dealer tear it down. If the cost is close to the cost of a rebuilt trans (if you can find one) then I would look into if you need to exchange yours in. If you don't and the price doesn't save you much then run it til it dies.

 

[sblackb]

So does anyone know if the tractor needs to be split to tear into the trans and check this out?

 

[ModMech]

Tell your "parts person" lol, to check the section immedialtely BEFORE the HST Components listing, you know, where the parts book says "HST"...

From my parts manual for the B2410 HSE (Hydrostat 4x2)

REF. No Part No. Description Q'ty S.No. I/C REMARKS
010 6C150-11600 ASSY HST 1 <=10043
010 6C150-11602 ASSY HST 1 >=10044
010 6C150-11603 ASSY HST 1 >=10071

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Yea, there is a complete HST for that tractor, and it is $1500.

However. The assembly is mostly the HST pump and castings.. if a bearing is failing (I would guess it is), your still going to need to find that problem because thats not part of the trans assembly.

I'd stop using it and break it down ASAP. You could stop a minor problem from becomming a major one.

 

[sblackb]

Just an update. Dealer is coming to get my little bx on Thursday morning Said they could split it and give me an idea of what repair costs will be for around $250. Seems like that's money well spent. Of course, I'm stuck with a pile of parts if they go sideways after that. Looking forward to seeing how many balls the rogue bearing is missing. Might give me an idea if the previous owner had knowledge of a problem developing. Not that it matters now, but...

Let's keep our fingers crossed that it's an isolated failure and I can spend my money on shiny new implements:thumbsup:

On a separate note, while it's been sitting, I've noticed the front axle has started to leak. It sure is hot to be raining this much.

Thanks everyone for the help with make the decision to get the repair done.

 

[Texas Fella]

I think you will be surprised. If you had a bearing failure like that in the HST, you would (should) know there was an issue right way when you tried to drive it. My bet is a 4wd or PTO bearing. That would be much cheaper. Good luck!

 

[sblackb]

Update: Just left the dealer where I got to see my tractor in a million pieces. Sort of like going to the hospital to see a friend. The service tech said I wasn't going to want to hear this, but they cannot find any bearings that are missing balls or even failing. Mine about fell off when I heard that:confused2: I thought the assembly looked really clean and parts looked good. Took a couple pics that I will post later for those wondering what the guts look like. Their only guess was that maybe the previous owner had swapped a rear shaft bearing at some point and hadn't changed the oil to get the parts out. The fluid was pretty clear when I changed it though. I'm going down in the morning to to talk to the lead guy about it.

Anyone have thoughts on any service I should do since it's all apart? Tractor has 1250 hour on it. I'm stunned...