truck info wanted

[Dmace]

I could post up a picture of a IH crewcab 4x4 right now, but rules do not allow ebay links to be posted here. Sorry.

Actually they lifted the ban so post away! http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/news-feedback/189766-ebay-links-not-scams.html
I love that truck Builder, but it needs a "man-step", under-powered V8, electronic rear locker and plastic storage panels in the bed to be a "real" truck. :laughing:

 

[crbr]

nice truck. Light duty is light duty. High expectations of a light truck doesn't make them super new trucks.....truck is a truck as to a spec is a spec... the concept of "super and new" is the same as was 30 years ago...

 

[QRTRHRS]

If you do some digging, there are a couple of Freightliner crew cab 4x4's on truckpaper.com. That site does not have a quick method for finding 4x4's. I don't usually peruse the International adds as there are so many models.

You really need to do some homework on wanting the extra seating and 4x4. Your truck weight may dig into your GVCW more than you want. Watch the gear ratio too if you are looking for some decent highway speeds. Most of the used 4x4's are former utility rigs. Low power so some hotshot does not rip them up.

My FL70 ext cab with a 12' steel bed weighs in at about 13500 lbs for example. Take that kind of truck weight, your expected trailer and load weight and figure out what your plates are going to run.

I understand, having to often as not needing to pull my FL70 out of the barn with my tractor due to the mud that 4x4 is nice. Could you get by with an air locker? Maybe spend ~2k for some drop down chains like the school buses up north use?

 

[05rammer]

I probably would not need 4 wheel drive, but it would sure be nice to have and the extra ground clearance would be nice to.

 

[JESSE1]

If you're going to pull a heavy load, do it the White way. As most everyone has said, you need to look beyond a pickup. A Ford F-450 pickup is rated at 33,000# GVWR but it won't be enough truck for your weights. You're in the International 4900, Ford F-650, Chevrolet 6500 territory. Lots of used beverage trucks equipped with air brakes and fifth wheels. If you bought a truck with air brakes you can use an air/electric brake controller for use with trailers with electric brakes.

 

[Builder]

I love that truck Builder, but it needs a "man-step", under-powered V8, electronic rear locker and plastic storage panels in the bed to be a "real" truck. :laughing:

What brand of truck has those "real truck" features?

 

[kebo]

I think this is the truck the OP is going to need. I believe it's rated to tow about 20 tons or so. Engine is rated in the 550hp range I think. When I win the lottery, this is going to be my first big purchase lol!! :thumbsup:

 

[QRTRHRS]

I think this is the truck the OP is going to need. I believe it's rated to tow about 20 tons or so. Engine is rated in the 550hp range I think. When I win the lottery, this is going to be my first big purchase lol!! :thumbsup:

I believe if you look at the specs, that truck appears to be somewhat "derated".

 

[QRTRHRS]

I think this is the truck the OP is going to need. I believe it's rated to tow about 20 tons or so. Engine is rated in the 550hp range I think. When I win the lottery, this is going to be my first big purchase lol!! :thumbsup:

PSS, 550hp, in your wildest dreams.

 

[kebo]

Hey, if I'm gonna dream about it, dream big right??

 

[Builder]

Now that the toy show is over.....

I think this is what the OP wants: 2002 Freightliner FL-70 CrewCab 4X4 C/C - eBay (item 330509139663 end time Jan-06-11 07:28:47 PST)

 

[tcartwri]

We use a 4400 series IH with a 20,000 lb rear axle to haul a 20 ton float. You can get this truck in an extended or crew cab config for about $90K. Add $10K for an auto tranny.

 

[Builder]

last time I priced a new version of my truck with 4WD it was $110,000.

 

[77bronco]

Last I heard, adding 4X4 to a class 6 or 7 truck was a $15-20k upcharge when ordering a new one.
If I remember correctly, when I ordered my 4400 in '06, the crewcab and auto trans added about 15k to the tab.

 

[QRTRHRS]

I was wonder how big of a truck I needed to tow 20 to 25,000 pounds, plus trailor weight, and be able to hold tools, air compressor and fuel tank in the bed. I was thinking a 1 ton daully or a Chevy Kodiak, I want 4 wheel drive and a crew cab. The trailor will be a goosenek, not sure on length yet.

05rammer, have you researched gooseneck's with that kind of capacity? Most of what I see are rated 20-~22.5 gross. I am thinking you are getting into air brake territory. If so, the market for used 4x4's becomes tighter. Mostly you will find cab/chassis and no air plumbed to the rear or the back of the cab. Of course that can be added at an additional cost.

I think this was a good thread as your needs are at the extreme end and that always brings up plenty of "discussion". Plenty to learn for sure.

 

[Builder]

You don't have to get airbrakes on the trailer. Plenty of hydraulic braked trailers out there in the 10,15 or even 20 ton range. I prefer air brakes on the trailer, though.

Adding air & gladhands to the rear isn't very expensive.

 

[Diamondpilot]

My old 25+5 GN with tandem duals was rated at 25,000# It had dual 12,000# axles and electric brakes. It would stop on a dime behind my old 99 F-350 PS 4x4 and I had it load up many times. Dead simple but heavy. That trailer was every bit of 6,000# empty.

Chris

 

[Builder]

Ummmm....yeeeeahhh....ssssure.
To the OP: I wouldn't suggest pulling 25,000lbs behind a pickup because it exceeds the manufacturers GVWR by like 10,000lbs, but what's 5 tons over GCWR hurling down the highway between friends. :confused2: Yikes talk about a huge lawsuit......:confused2: make sure you put the house in the wife's name only if you're gonna make the roads unsafe like that. LOL

Back on topic: The 4x4 version is nice, but trust me, you give back in visibility over the higher nose, so parking/manuevering is tougher. I wouldn't suggest 4WD unless you really need it.
From experience with "real trucks" : I'd get an overpowered, air-braked crewcab tractor and use it as a 5th wheel. Buy yourself a nice used Pete, KW, IH or Freighty with between 325-400HP and a Rogers lowboy and baby you're all set. No stress, no strain, no huge fines from the cops for making a pickup truck into a tractor trailer.:laughing: :confused2:
Also, I would avoid the smaller displacement diesels as they are purposely underpowered for the job of towing heavy machinery. Ask me how I know.

 

[05rammer]

I don't think Petes and Kenworths have crew cabs do they? Or can you put seat that are leagal in a sleeper?

 

[Builder]

I'm pretty sure a sleeper or condo can have a day seat. IH & Freightliner, GM & Ford can be crewcabs right out of the box.