Price Check 2006 Jinma TLB

[RobiBX2230]

So I've seen hydro fluid 5 gallon tubs run from $30 and up - I assume all AW32 is created somewhat "equal"? This would be the first major fluid change I've done on a tractor since my last one had its 200 hour service just before I bought it and I sold it before it needed its 300 hour service (which I had filters and was ready to take on the task but never needed to)... Sarcastically "low maitenance"

 

[greg_g]

I assume all AW32 is created somewhat "equal"?

Don't. AW simply designates an "anti-wear" property, 32 represents the viscosity. And that's just the American (SAE) nomenclature. The rest of the world uses international (ISO) nomenclature. You quite possibly have seen some containers marked ISOxxx, and never even realized what was in them.

Anyway, some folks have mistakenly purchased the first container they found that had an AW32 printed on the label - only to end up with erratic hydraulic motion and oily foam running down the backside of their tractors. They bought AW32 machine oil, which typically has no anti-foam additives like AW32 hydraulic fluid. Avoid the R&O oil as well.

So what you're shopping for is a non-foaming AW32 or ISO32 hydraulic fluid. Same thing, different nomenclature. They've got a viscosity equivalency of 10 weight engine oil, and are suitable for cold to moderate year-round environments. Folks in warm to hot locations might step up to the thicker AW/ISO 46 or 68, which is in the 20W window. AW/ISO100 moves into 30W territory, and so on.

//greg//

 

[Bob Rooks]

So I've seen hydro fluid 5 gallon tubs run from $30 and up - I assume all AW32 is created somewhat "equal"? This would be the first major fluid change I've done on a tractor since my last one had its 200 hour service just before I bought it and I sold it before it needed its 300 hour service (which I had filters and was ready to take on the task but never needed to)... Sarcastically "low maitenance"

Your "hydro fluid" will run the gamut in prices, quality, and specifications. You are correct in your assumption that "all AW32 is created somewhat equal" in that they all originate from a base stock and are blended with formulated additive packages to meet standards set forth by the SAE and ISO for the particular grade. "AW" is a generic term that stands for Anti-Wear and is not specific to hydraulic oil. There can be AW Hydraulic Oil, AW Machine Oil, AW Gear Oil, etc. Currently, I tend to favor the multi-grade AW ISO 32/68 hydraulic oil as it seems to perform very satisfactory in all of my equipment under varying temperature conditions. But then I purchase oil more on the specification than the price alone...

Ground glass, sand, gravel, and dirt are also fluid, but they are not oil :thumbsup::laughing:

 

[boxygen]

I'm really not an idiot but I'm no mechanic so I don't want to get killed with maintenance bills the day I pick it up... I'm used to a low maitenance machine

With all due respect sir, may I ask what that machine is

WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH! Lets slow down. If you arent a mechanic and you are used to a low maintenance machine, THIS CHINESE MACHINE IS NOT FOR YOU! I dont want to start a war here guys but lets help this guy out. You NEED to be able to fix things if you are going to own chinese tractor, sometimes relatively complex things. These things sell at a discount for a reason, its a roll of the dice and an almost guarantee that a lot more things are going to break on this tractor than an equivalent "name brand." I know Im going to get resistance on this from some of you but lets be real. You dont have to go far in this forum to figure out what kind of sticky situation you can find yourself in real quick. Im not trying to brand bash here, but everyone just about everyone on TBN that has a chinese tractor go into it knowing they are going to have to turn a wrench from time to time. There are known problems that some people already have mentioned that you know you will have to fix. Do a little research here on TBN before you go any further. Lookup threads by member "3RRL." He has two chinese tractors. I dont think that anyone would accuse him of abusing his machines, in fact he takes better care of things better than anyone, and he is a brilliant mechanic. But the list of things his has fixed or upgraded is astounding. He is the poster child of what a chinese tractor owner should look like, not someone who describes themself as "not a mechanic." I honestly am just trying to help out the original poster. I wouldnt take that tractor if someone gave it to me for free, but that is almost irrelevant.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I'm really not an idiot but I'm no mechanic so I don't want to get killed with maintenance bills the day I pick it up... I'm used to a low maitenance machine




WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH! Lets slow down. If you arent a mechanic and you are used to a low maintenance machine, THIS CHINESE MACHINE IS NOT FOR YOU.

Do not listen to this guy. I have owned a NH tractor and my family has had Case and JD. My Jinma has been just as tough and trouble free as them with proper set-up. The issue with Chinese tractors is they used to sell them to just anyone. You could order it in a crate and put it together yourself. Many were put together improperly and ran on factory fluids. From the get go the tractors need adjustments like Clutches, Valves, ect. This often does not get done.

I am not saying they are perfect, far from it. They are the toughest tractors in a HP class and by far the best buy.

Chris

 

[Bob Rooks]

WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH! Lets slow down. If you arent a mechanic and you are used to a low maintenance machine, THIS CHINESE MACHINE IS NOT FOR YOU.

Not necessarily. With his last tractor, he changed all of the oils, filters, and coolant. Once. Then he sold it before the next changes were due. Now that is truly low maintenance. Not sure how may times in-between she got "Rode hard and put away wet" though. Accurate maintenance records will show (to a degree) how many times it was greased too.

 

[Bob Rooks]

Im not trying to brand bash here, but everyone just about everyone on TBN that has a chinese tractor go into it knowing they are going to have to turn a wrench from time to time.

I have yet to see a tractor owner wearing a pink Izod polo shirt...:thumbsup:
Some things just don't go together.

I have yet to see a tractor owner that didn't own a wrench or two..., or three
Some things go hand in hand.

 

[Bob Rooks]

Do not listen to this guy. They are the toughest tractors in a HP class and by far the best buy.

I totally agree. The loose cannon doesn't get out much to know there are hundreds of forums dedicated to to the repair and maintenance of the "name brands". Having worked in the field for Caterpillar, I can testify that: "It's not a matter of IF it will break, but WHEN."
THEY ALL BREAK! :laughing::laughing:

 

[boxygen]

I knew this would happen. THe chinese tractor denial/fan club would chime in and tell us how tough and reliable their tractor are. You dont have to take my word for it the info is all right here. Go in the Kubota, Deere, NH, Mahindra owning and operation forum and see what they are talking about - Owning and Operating not fixing . Go in the Chinese forum and see what they are talking about - replacing their starters, alternators, guages, fuel sediment bowls, thermostats, driveshafts, clutches, hydraulic valves after a few hundred hours. There are several things that you can plan on replacing. Everybody knows it and but seems to have selective memory about it. These types of repairs with other brands happens so less frequency that its not even funny. Yes other brands break - but not nearly with the severity and frequency of Chinese tractor. ITS A PROVEN FACT! There are several people on this forum that make their living off the consitent and predictable nature of chinese tractors breaking down and there is no one around but the owner to fix them. I'm glad that you like your tractors, I really am. Don't pretend that these tractors are as trouble free as same size DEERE, Kubota, Kioti or Mahindra. Your Straw Man argument doesnt hold up if you do an ounce of research on this board. I wouldnt have said anything if the OP said that he ISNT A MECHANIC. Please OP, do some reading and you will be able to make a more informed decision and choose whatever you want. Have you ever heard the phrase, get what you pay for? How often is it true?:laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

[RobiBX2230]

Okay I see the debate has heated up... I said I am no mechanic but I'm also not an idiot. I've worked on cars etc and feel I'm capable of most things. My main concern isn't necessarily having to fix things but the severity and frequency of such repairs. I went this afternoon to see it in the light and clear weather... Here is my verdict and findings.
The overall machine is in good shape, not as nice as I thought but it's appearance doesn't turn you away. The clutch either needs adjustment or some other repair. When in gear you don't move literally until your foot is just barely on it - I kid not here, I couldn't tell the difference of how far it was pressed in from start of motion to my foot totally off it. The main reason I am NOT GOING TO BUY THIS TRACTOR is manueverability. I put it in gear and moved forward but if I cut the wheel any more than about an 1/8th of a turn the front tires basically dragged on their sidewalls and the tractor went straight. It was to the point that on a 2 way street if I tried it wouldn't have been a 3-point turn, it would have been more like 80. I actually gave up and backed it back to where it was parked, I'd seen enough. I have a single wide driveway and refuse to deal with the nightmare of moving around like that. I think the BH on the back counter weighted the tractor in a way that negatively effected the steering but the BH was a main reason for wanting this tractor. So removing it once and a while isn't really an option since I'd keep it on basically 100% of the time.

 

[greg_g]

Sounds like the differential lock is not releasing by itself. Did you try pulling it back up by hand?

And I'm having a hard time coming to terms how owning an Indian tractor and an old German niche machine constitutes qualification as a Chinese tractor critic.......or actually of anything other than Indian tractors and old German niche machines.

//greg//

 

[Bob Rooks]

I agree with Greg 100%!

boxygen, you really do need to get out more often. There are literally hundreds of other tractor forums besides TBN, many of which are brand-specific.

The next time you're out and about, stop in at your local Case, New Holland, John Deere, Caterpillar, etc. dealership and you will witness a repair shop staffed with full-time mechanics, welders, and technicians, and a thriving parts department.

The major issue with the Chinese tractors is the lack of a large nationwide dealer network providing brand promotion, validation, and support, which is not only reflected in the lower prices, but also in the shortcomings of the initial tractor setup by inexperienced individuals and entrepreneurs. Another reason they get a bad rap is partially due to the demographic - inexperienced first time tractor owners.

 

[Rich Waugh]

Interesting thread this turned out to be.

I'd say you probably made a wise choice in not buying that tractor at that price - it doesn't sound as though it was in good enough condition for the money. No problem with that, the seller is going to have to adjust his price if he expects to sell, I would guess.

As for the poser who said Chinese tractors have more mechanical problems that the "brand name" units, so what? They cost half as much, do the same hard work (often better) and if maintained will last as long as any other piece of equipment that is worked that hard. As Bob said, all heavy equipment breaks. Anyone who owns such equipment has the choice of being his own mechanic and learning a bit or paying someone else for their knowledge. You pick.

Sure, I've had to do some major repairs on my Chinese tractor. Bad assembly at the factory cost me a weekend's work and fifty bucks in gaskets and seals. So what? I learned a bit more, discovered that I can do things I wasn't sure I could do, and the machine is fine now. Life goes on and I'm still thousands of dollars ahead of where I'd be if I'd bought a "name brand" or a used machine that would have cost the same I paid for my Jinma. It's a certainty that if I'd bought a used machine I'd have spent way more time and money getting it into the same condition as my Jinma is now.

I think the OP made the right decision not to buy that particular machine due to obvious issues. Not because it was a particular brand or country of origin, but because it wasn't a good value for the money. Smart move.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I would walk away also. The clutch issue validates just what I said earlier about these tractors not being assembled by qualified personal. The clutch being that far gone or out of adjustment would tell me there is much to be desired about the rest of the setup and prep of the tractor from day one.

I also noticed when I first replied from the pictures the tires looked much smaller than those on my 284???? They almost look like the tires that should be on the 20 and 22 HP units. I wonder if this caused the steering issues. I do not have a BH and have not driven a Jinma with one on it but there are literally 1000's of them out there and I have never heard of anyone having a issue driving the TLB around.

Chris

 

[boxygen]

With all due respect, you guys arent even seeing my point. I didnt say that chinese tractors dont have a place in the market. I didnt say that nobody should buy a chinese tractor. I didnt say other tractors dont break. I didnt say that the tractor he was looking at was a piece of junk. I didnt say it wasnt a good value. You guys got all googly eyed :drool: over pictures of another chinese tractor and forgot about the facts that were presented to help the OP evaluate his decision.
I read tractor by net everyday. I realize that there are other tractor sites all over the internet. Shame on me for thinking that the biggest tractor site on the entire internet might be the most accurate representative of the tractor market. I read the chinese forum like I read all the others. Personally, I cant believe the stuff that even comes up with such frequency on machines with so little use that is far beyond routine maintenance on chinese tractors. You see crazy things like New hollands broken in two pieces and rockshafts broken off on John Deeres. But given the amount of tractors sold, that stuff is pretty rare relatively. You guys dont really seem to fight the fact that chinese tractors are most often then not the problem childs of the tractor world. Certainly its not 100 percent universal to every tractor out there.
Here is a made up example. Say someone posts on the Kubota forum that hes looking at a BX24, it has 200 hours on it backhoe, good shape, whatever. The poster goes on to say that he wants to dig some small stumps, snowblow his driveway and run a round baler for 100 acres of hay. The equivalent response that was given in this tread would be, the BX is a great tractor, you should buy it, ive had no problems with mine. That may be great advice except the person giving advice skipped right over a key piece of information - he wanted to run a round baler.
Bob and Diamond did the same thing. They skipped right over the fact the OP said he wasnt a mechanic. They know **** well that you need to be a mechanic to own one, since there is almost no local dealer support, and there is a relatively long list of common problems with these tractors. Well it turns out that the OP may be perfectly capable of fixing this machine when it would be needed, but thats not what he led us to believe in the beginning.
I actually think there is some value in owning a chinese tractor for some people who are pretty handy, want to save some money and can afford some downtime once and a while, but not people who describe themselves as "not a mechanic." So Bob, please calm down. Greg, I never said Im an expert, im just relaying what you already know about these machines. Rich, you make my point exactly. You saved some money, but you have done some major repairs.
And thanks Bob, I get out plenty. You would have noticed that if you read my (and OP) posts more carefully instead of reading into it and seeing what you wanted to see instead of the actual content. Your last post actually makes my point perfectly. Slow down and read the content instead of spending so much time trying to find a reason to be offened and your advice will be much more well recieved. You obviously have a lot of knowledge to share.
Oh, turns out the tractor had some problems. What a surprise!:confused2::confused2::confused2::confused2::confused2::confused2::confused2:

 

[Bob Rooks]

Well, the OP has made his decision and he's comfortable with it. All is good.

Boxygen,
No, you didn't come right out and slander the Chinese tractors directly, it was the subtle inference and underlying allusion that everyone was picking up on. I'm beginning to get that feeling again that I'm being lured into a battle of wits with an unarmed person, I digress.

 

[20 20]

WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH! Lets slow down. If you arent a mechanic and you are used to a low maintenance machine, THIS CHINESE MACHINE IS NOT FOR YOU! I. Im not trying to brand bash here, . I wouldnt take that tractor if someone gave it to me for free, but that is almost irrelevant.

not bashing ????

 

[greg_g]

Greg, I never said Im an expert, im just relaying what you already know about these machines.

I disagree. You clearly come across as an armchair quarterback. And if you're "just relaying what (we) already know", why bother? That's about as productive as telling a Kubota forum that their tractors are orange!!!

Since you're a Mahindra owner who seems to have a lot of extra time on his hands, here's a small exercise:
1. go to the Mahindra forum on this site, or any Mahindra forum for that matter
2. go to any/all Holder forums you can find
3. locate all posts by Chinese tractor owners who have contributed to this topic
4. report back here with the results

//greg//

 

[boxygen]

Greg,
What I was saying is that Im using the facts that you, Bob, Diamond and others have all given us with your hundreds of posts over the years in this forum. Facts that you completely ignored when the inexperienced OP came looking for advice knowing nothing about this machine. The collective term "we" was not intended to include the OP.
Bob, Im relying on, and completely resting my case on information that you have provided in this forum to draw my conclusion on. If I cannot offer your historical input as proof of my position, what does that say about you? Im not offering my own experience, Im just saying look at what everyone else has already said. You guys are way too defensive. You are they guys that spend lots of your own time to offer your experiences to help other tractor owners that you will never meet. That is what makes TBN so great. I just think you guys (inadvertently) led this guy in the wrong direction. I just wanted him to review the info that is all right here. You were leading him to believe that there is a free lunch, and a chinese tractor is for everyone.
Bob, you were going into a battle of wits against an unarmed person because you were going into a battle against yourself without knowing it. Its never too late to learn some critical thinking skills. :thumbsup:

 

[greg_g]

Greg,
Facts that you completely ignored when the inexperienced OP came looking for advice knowing nothing about this machine.

Now you're just makin' **** up. I addressed hydraulic fluid and suggested a stuck differential lock. Period. It's becoming clear that the only reason you're here is to stir the pot

//greg//