Buying Advice John Deere, and some questions

[stlawrence]

I've also posted this on the John Deere buying and selling forum, but wanted to open it to the greater community to get more ideas.

I've read years worth of posts on this website - I'll tell you, ya'll are a wealth of information. I marvel at the power of the web - at the information available.

Well, here's my situation. We're buying (I hope, Good Lord willin' and the loan comes through) about 80 acres in upstate New York. It is in the Finger Lakes area, which means we have drumlins (rounded hills). Some of the land is steep enough that it will require up and down working, I think. The land has about 50 acres of abandoned pastures that are grown up with brush, saplings, and goldenrod. The saplings are around 1" - those that are bigger, I guess I'll just cut out with a chainsaw.

I would like to be able to bushhawg the pastures to get them presentable. If I want to cultivate later and plant a crop (alfalfa, white clover, or some other good ground cover), I might contract that out. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

I would like to have a FEL, but my wife says money is tight and we might have to get the tractor without the FEL first, then get the FEL in a year or two (after I win the Lottery, which could be any day now).

We will have about five acres of lawn that I would like to be able to cut with the tractor, which would save having to buy another piece of machinery.

So.

I would love to have a JD 4120. That, without the FEL, would just about max out my tractor budget. The bush hog is a necessity - the FEL will be a luxury, I guess. I think a 4105 might work, but I fear it would be a little underpowered for my need to bush hog about 50 acres.

On the other hand, I really like the 5045. That would give me extra hp for a bigger bush hog. It brings several questions, though:

1. For the average farming, is the 4x4 worth the extra cost? I grew up with RWD tractors, and they did everything we wanted them to do. Will I be sorry later if I go with the 5045D, rather than the 5045E? (If I get the D, I can afford the FEL now)
2. What about the HSL drive? I won't be doing a whole lot of FEL work, but is that one of those things that mitigates toward the 4105 or 4120 over the 5045?
3. Mowing the yard - I can't go too big, or I'll leave ruts in Miz Shelley's yard, which would be bad news for everybody. What about turf tires? Would they keep the yard nice, but still be tough enough for field bush hogging?

So, to pin it down - I'm deciding between the 4105, 4120, and 5045. I'd like your opinions, because you know what you're doing, and I clearly don't.

Thanks. Dave

 

[foggy1111]

With your hills....you will definitely want 4 wheel drive. I think you want the hydrostatic drive for mowing on hills and loader work...especially if your a new operator....or want others to operate. From my perspective, I would buy a loader with the tractor NOW....even if I bought a slightly used tractor (probably 1/4 to 1/3 less than new).

A good medium duty brush hog...such as the MX 6 would take out up to 3" brush. Put away your chain saw! :thumbsup:

Your in the right "pew" with the 4xxx Deeres. Nice wide footprint and enough HP for what you want to do IMO.

 

[pat32rf]

I'm not up to date on the new JD numbers, mine is a JD4300 HST, about 8-10 yrs old now. Its 32hp.
While we are a bit north of you, if I remember right you might have to deal with snow, as well as do bush hogging. You might bush hog twice a year, but you will move the white stuff a lot more often.
Even with a snow blower, that FEL will make a BIG difference when the drifts get big.
As far as 2wd, I grew up with one, then moved to the city. Thirty years later I moved back where things were civilized and used a 50hp 2wd Case for ONE season, then got a used 4wd 17hp Bota (with HST,FEL and blower). It lasted two years and then I traded for a NEW JD that I have since put 4000hrs on. Never regretted the size, and could not exist without the FEL whether moving snow piles or firewood, not to mention building flowerbeds, moving topsoil, compost, refridgerators, generators or boats. I live on 80 acres of hilly bush and would go NO PLACE once we get snow and ice without 4wd. I paid $250 for my riding lawnmower, but the FEL was the better deal.
Oh, and my 5'2" wife, who will not drive my pickup truck, thinks nothing of hopping on "Johnny" and loading the FEL bucket with "stuff" from her flowerbed for me to dispose of...

 

[Earl Ohl]

I would like to have a FEL, but my wife says money is tight and we might have to get the tractor without the FEL first, then get the FEL in a year or two (after I win the Lottery, which could be any day now).

Big mistake not to get the FEL right away. It'll be cheaper to get it now. Also, why are you limiting yourself to John Deere? You pay alot extra for that green & yellow paint job. There are alot of other brands that are just as good. I have an Oliver, a John Deere & a Kubota so I am not brand-loyal. When I go tractor shopping I know what jobs I need the tractor to do & shop according to the size/horsepower I need & not the brand name. The Oliver 77 & the John Deere LX288 I bought used because I felt I got excellent deals on them. The Kubota B3030HSDCC I bought new because of warranty, financing, & a good deal. I also wanted a small tractor with a factory cab. John Deere had none in this size. The smallest model they had with a factory cab listed for $10,000 more than the Kubota.

 

[Juan Fries Widdat]

My region is more hilly than yours - but I still don't think you will be safe and productive with turf tires. I think they are ONLY appropriate for lawns and golf courses.

I have locked up and slid down the hills - and it's scary. I'm thinking about chains - cause tires are expensive.

Ag tires won't cut up your lawn if you turn with the steering wheel instead of the brakes, and don't mow when it's wet.

 

[Ruark]

A lot of people buy JDs just sort of by default - like it's sort of an industry standard or something, and it isn't. But they charge you up the wazoo for the tractor and parts, because it's.... drum roll... John Deere. Kinda of like Harley-Davidson motorcycles; a simple leather H-D vest will run you $300, instead of $75 like it should.

I would seriously check out Mahindra, especially if you need a loader (and believe me, you'll lie awake at night wishing you had one). Mahindras are tough and reliable, and in fact is the world's largest selling tractor. Mahindra loaders have 30-40 percent more lift capacity that loaders on other comparable tractors. My 40 HP 4025's loader has a breakout capacity of over 3,000 pounds, and will lift about 2,500. I've seen other machines that could barely lift 1,200 pounds. My tractor, loader, 6' HD House shredder, 6' box blade, 7' rake, filled rear/slimed front tires, and 60 mile delivery all cost me right at $20K. Check it out; there are a lot of Mahindra dealers in NY.

 

[Artesia Aggie]

A But they charge you up the wazoo for the tractor and parts, because it's.... drum roll... John Deere.

I have to disagree. When I bought my Deere I shopped Deere, Kubota, Mahindra and New Holland. I found the prices for equivalent machines all to be very close.

Some things to consider when buying a tractor is the dealer, service and parts. I have a 30 year old Deere garden tractor. Parts for this piece of equipment are readily available and I have always been treated well by my dealer.

Not all dealers are created equal, but sweeping statement that you will pay more just because it has green yellow paint in my experince is simply not true.

 

[Diamondpilot]

While JD makes great tractors do not forget to look at the others. I would really consider a BobCat, Kioti, Case, New Holland, ect. No matter what you get buy a FEL. You will never believe how handy it can be. Try selling a used modern tractor that size without a FEL.... Next to impossible.

Chris

 

[jenkinsph]

I have to disagree. When I bought my Deere I shopped Deere, Kubota, Mahindra and New Holland. I found the prices for equivalent machines all to be very close.

Some things to consider when buying a tractor is the dealer, service and parts. I have a 30 year old Deere garden tractor. Parts for this piece of equipment are readily available and I have always been treated well by my dealer.

Not all dealers are created equal, but sweeping statement that you will pay more just because it has green yellow paint in my experince is simply not true.

I agree, and since we both have the same dealer I will say I am well satisfied with them too.


Most of the tractors I have had have been good but over the past years Deere has been more stable in its market than any of the other good brands. I will readily admit I like the colors Deere has and that has probably helped them tremendously over the years.

 

[RPW]

Definitely get the FEL with your tractor purchase. If you do the math it usually will cost you more to get it added later. 4x4 will be a must but HST may not be as you indicated that you've used tractors in the past and with the shuttle shift it's not quite HST but it's very smooth and easy to use. Good luck.

 

[JDGreenGrass]

EDIT:;......To Ruark.....

If I were in the market to buy I would look at all the major brands offered in my area with good dealer support.

Prices today are very close when compareing apples to apples. That is where people are mis-lead. In fact, I believe it is such a mis-noma that Deere is more money, that people believe they can't afford one, therefore, they don't price them out.

In other words....give us the numbers so we can decide. What tractors did you compare.?? And, more importantly, what are their specs and what are the costs.?????


Otherwise, keep it to yourself.

 

[JDGreenGrass]

A lot of people buy JDs just sort of by default - like it's sort of an industry standard or something, and it isn't. But they charge you up the wazoo for the tractor and parts, because it's.... drum roll... John Deere. Kinda of like Harley-Davidson motorcycles; a simple leather H-D vest will run you $300, instead of $75 like it should.

I would seriously check out Mahindra, especially if you need a loader (and believe me, you'll lie awake at night wishing you had one). Mahindras are tough and reliable, and in fact is the world's largest selling tractor. Mahindra loaders have 30-40 percent more lift capacity that loaders on other comparable tractors. My 40 HP 4025's loader has a breakout capacity of over 3,000 pounds, and will lift about 2,500. I've seen other machines that could barely lift 1,200 pounds. My tractor, loader, 6' HD House shredder, 6' box blade, 7' rake, filled rear/slimed front tires, and 60 mile delivery all cost me right at $20K. Check it out; there are a lot of Mahindra dealers in NY.

My comments above are in response to this post.

 

[Uncle Wayne]

A lot of people buy JDs just sort of by default - like it's sort of an industry standard or something, and it isn't. But they charge you up the wazoo for the tractor and parts, because it's.... drum roll... John Deere.

I bought a JD 4230 in June of 2009 and compared it with Kubota, Kioti, and New Holland. I got a better deal with the JD dealer than any of the others.

And I agree, you'll regret not getting the FEL. I love the HST and 4wd also.

 

[TGF]

if you have a fel, knock the 1 inchers over and just run them down with the brushhog. According to the documentation my RC2060 will take up to a 2 inch tree.

I compared JD to Kubota and ended up in a JD with more horsepower for about 2/3rds the price of the Kubota. The only limitation of the JD compared to the Kubota is I can not remove the FEL, and I can not add a BH.

The FEL is without a doubt one of the most useful pieces of equipment I own.

 

[Ruark]

EDIT:;......To Ruark.....

If I were in the market to buy I would look at all the major brands offered in my area with good dealer support. What tractors did you compare.?? And, more importantly, what are their specs and what are the costs.?????

Otherwise, keep it to yourself.

OOooOoo... and if I DON'T keep it to myself, whattayagonnado? (rolls eyes)

Sigh... there's one on every forum. Guess he's ridin' tall in the saddle with his silly little JD 770 lawn mower.

About the original poster... in his original post, he was limiting himself ONLY to JD, and seemed a little flustered that a loader put one out of his price range. I was simply suggesting that he consider other tractors besides JD, especially Mahindra, that have good reputations, dealers in his area, and better pricing that would enable him to have a loader. Mahindras are popular, extremely tough, rugged, heavy, and have excellent, powerful loaders with twice the lift capacity of loaders that come with other brands like Kubota, New Holland, etc. So I'm suggesting that as a possible solution to his problem.

Additionally, if it's important, Mahindra has a financing option of 60 months with no interest. Approval is liberal, and based solely on your credit score - they don't confirm your income. Just food for thought. Shop around.

Ruark

Mahindra 4025
6' Howse HD rotary cutter
7' Armstrong landscape rake
6' Armstrong box blade

 

[TripleR]

Well, here's my situation. We're buying (I hope, Good Lord willin' and the loan comes through) about 80 acres in upstate New York. It is in the Finger Lakes area, which means we have drumlins (rounded hills). Some of the land is steep enough that it will require up and down working, I think. The land has about 50 acres of abandoned pastures that are grown up with brush, saplings, and goldenrod. The saplings are around 1" - those that are bigger, I guess I'll just cut out with a chainsaw.

I would like to be able to bushhawg the pastures to get them presentable. If I want to cultivate later and plant a crop (alfalfa, white clover, or some other good ground cover), I might contract that out. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

I would like to have a FEL, but my wife says money is tight and we might have to get the tractor without the FEL first, then get the FEL in a year or two (after I win the Lottery, which could be any day now).

We will have about five acres of lawn that I would like to be able to cut with the tractor, which would save having to buy another piece of machinery.

So.

I would love to have a JD 4120. That, without the FEL, would just about max out my tractor budget. The bush hog is a necessity - the FEL will be a luxury, I guess. I think a 4105 might work, but I fear it would be a little underpowered for my need to bush hog about 50 acres.

On the other hand, I really like the 5045. That would give me extra hp for a bigger bush hog. It brings several questions, though:

1. For the average farming, is the 4x4 worth the extra cost? I grew up with RWD tractors, and they did everything we wanted them to do. Will I be sorry later if I go with the 5045D, rather than the 5045E? (If I get the D, I can afford the FEL now)
2. What about the HSL drive? I won't be doing a whole lot of FEL work, but is that one of those things that mitigates toward the 4105 or 4120 over the 5045?
3. Mowing the yard - I can't go too big, or I'll leave ruts in Miz Shelley's yard, which would be bad news for everybody. What about turf tires? Would they keep the yard nice, but still be tough enough for field bush hogging?

So, to pin it down - I'm deciding between the 4105, 4120, and 5045. I'd like your opinions, because you know what you're doing, and I clearly don't.

Thanks. Dave

I think you give some of us too much credit. Let me admit that I know no more about the models mentioned than is available to anyone with a computer, but do have a little experience with similar sized equipment.

I honestly don't see how any one tractor will meet all of your needs, so I would prioritize and buy with that in mind. It would seem that a smaller tractor may be of more use. I have found that a smaller tractor will more often do everything that a larger one will just not as quickly while a larger tractor simply won't fit in some areas or if they do will be unwieldy or cause damage due to the weight.

While my last tractor was new, I have bought used and not only saved a lot of money, but was able to afford one I would not have been willing to pay a new price.

As to other matters, I will never buy anything for the hills that does not have 4WD, but use 2WD on our flat land farm without problems. There are people very happy with these tractors.

I would never recommend anyone buy a tractor without a FEL unless they already have one and even then would be reluctant to do so. We have four tractors so equipped and really find them essential. It is hard to imagine how much you will use one.

I would hope these discussions could take place without taking shots at each other.

 

[jgrreed]

A lot of people buy JDs just sort of by default - like it's sort of an industry standard or something, and it isn't.

No?? Then what is?? Belarus?

(and believe me, you'll lie awake at night wishing you had one)

True that.

I would seriously check out Mahindra.

You get what you pay for. Pay now or pay later. Etc, etc, etc....

Additionally, if it's important, Mahindra has a financing option of 60 months with no interest. Approval is liberal, and based solely on your credit score - they don't confirm your income. Just food for thought. Shop around.

Kinda sounds like....uuhhhh... a Kia dealership..... or a pawn shop.

I'm mostly joking, but in all seriousness, as i'm

ridin' tall in the saddle

on my almost problem free 4720, I chuckle to myself thinking of my old friend, his 1982 Kubota that is "everything he could possibly need", his 20 acres of unmowed, fire-hazard pasture, and the days he's spent trying to get the 3pt hitch to work, or the day one of the rims snapped...

huh huh huh.....

-Jer.

 

[JDGreenGrass]

OOooOoo... and if I DON'T keep it to myself, whattayagonnado? (rolls eyes)

Sigh... there's one on every forum. Guess he's ridin' tall in the saddle with his silly little JD 770 lawn mower.

About the original poster... in his original post, he was limiting himself ONLY to JD, and seemed a little flustered that a loader put one out of his price range. I was simply suggesting that he consider other tractors besides JD, especially Mahindra, that have good reputations, dealers in his area, and better pricing that would enable him to have a loader. Mahindras are popular, extremely tough, rugged, heavy, and have excellent, powerful loaders with twice the lift capacity of loaders that come with other brands like Kubota, New Holland, etc. So I'm suggesting that as a possible solution to his problem.

Additionally, if it's important, Mahindra has a financing option of 60 months with no interest. Approval is liberal, and based solely on your credit score - they don't confirm your income. Just food for thought. Shop around.

Ruark

Mahindra 4025
6' Howse HD rotary cutter
7' Armstrong landscape rake
6' Armstrong box blade

LOL.!!!....Though it may appear that I directed that comment to you personally, I did not intend to. lol.

My comment was directed to ALL the people that are mis-guided in thinking that Deere doesn't offer competitive priceing. They do.:thumbsup:

Ruark...I am seriously laughing.!! If you have hung around here much you would realize that your come-back is about as rude as ANY post I have ever read here. LOL.!!:laughing:

I understand your post and I apologize. Please do know that my comment was a general statement and not directed at any one individual.

Carry on....

 

[MBDiagMan]

This thread is bringing to my attention something that I hadn't noticed before. Mind you I don't notice much. My wife makes up for it though, she can spot a blonde hair on a yellow shag carpet.

For the first time on TBN, I am seeing a little bit of brand bias in a thread. In my recent research into the tractor world before finding and buying my new tractor, I came to the loose conclusion that:

o Most all the major brands offer tractor models with size, specs and features that match up with the same size, specs and features of a number of other manufacturers.
o When looking up list prices, you will find tractors of like size, specs and features to be priced VERY closely from one brand to the next.
o Most any of the major brands are quality built machinery.

My $0.02,

 

[TripleR]

This thread is bringing to my attention something that I hadn't noticed before. Mind you I don't notice much. My wife makes up for it though, she can spot a blonde hair on a yellow shag carpet.

For the first time on TBN, I am seeing a little bit of brand bias in a thread. In my recent research into the tractor world before finding and buying my new tractor, I came to the loose conclusion that:

o Most all the major brands offer tractor models with size, specs and features that match up with the same size, specs and features of a number of other manufacturers.
o When looking up list prices, you will find tractors of like size, specs and features to be priced VERY closely from one brand to the next.
o Most any of the major brands are quality built machinery.

My $0.02,

Sadly it is far more prevalent than it should be and one brand seems to more represented. Based on owning and operating several different brands, my conclusions are the same as yours and I still look at all brands when buying a new tractor. Given the same set of parameters and dealership quality, I could be just as happy on one brand as another.