4310 cruise control

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chickenman

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When I engage the cruise control on my 4310 it will run for a few minutes then either slow and stop or just stop.

There are no codes flashing

It just started this, any suggestions?

how do you get to the mfwd sensor?
 
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My 4300 did the same thing so I guess a 4310 is similar? When cruise control is engaged a magnet holds the foot pedal in place. My dealer fixed it under warranty and said the solution was to adjust the magnet. I guess it was loose causing it not to hold the pedal in place? Don't know about the sensor.
 
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I agree it could be the magnet, this is where having a service manual would be invaluable.
 
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Chickenman; On my 4300 the cruise did not work at all when first delivered. The pedal underneath my floorboard where the magnet grabbed hold WAS NOT GRABBING because the pedal was NOT SMOOTH enough to allow good contact. Dealer ground the pedal down a bit and it worked perfectly.
Check and see if your magnet has a smooth surface to grip.
 
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the 4310 ehydro doesn't seem to have a magnet like the 4300, it appears to be all done through the computer
 
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If it is ehydro, then I think you are right. I too assumed it was the non ehydro from the OP. I had the 4300 warranty update on my magnet. Had no problem, but dealer made the switch. For the last 10+ years, the cruise has worked well for me.

Might be a good excuse to get the service tech manual CD. Worthwhile to be able to track down problems, and as well, to fix them. :)
 
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i have the pdf manual, it shows the general location but not the easiest way to get to it

with my stiff joints I'd rather not have to crawl under the tractor

if I can remove the seat it may be easier for me.
 
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the 4310 ehydro doesn't seem to have a magnet like the 4300, it appears to be all done through the computer

I am interested in knowing how they did it on the eHydro. There still
needs to be some sort of clamp to hold the forward go-pedal in place.
Other tractors I have had use a mechanical clamp. To be controllable
electrically, it seems to me that the 4310 is best served by keeping
the magnetic clamp. It is easy enough to see if you have a magnet, if
you look under the floorboards on the right side. It does require getting
under the tractor, however.
 
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The pedal doesn't stay down on mine. I'm pretty sure it is electronic. I will look in the service manual tonight when I get home. Btw the manual on cd was $75.
 
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the pedals actuate potentiometers which send a signal to the computer that sends a signal to the hydrolic drive pump to increase or decrease the flow of oil

The cruise control is part of the computer, there is no direct mechanical linkage
 
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the pedals actuate potentiometers which send a signal to the computer that sends a signal to the hydrolic drive pump to increase or decrease the flow of oil

The cruise control is part of the computer, there is no direct mechanical linkage

But increasing or decreasing the flow of oil requires rotating the swash
plate on the HST pump. That is done mechanically by the pedals. The
cruise control uses some method of locking the swash plate in place. The
question is what is the locking mechanism and how is it specifically controlled.
 
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But increasing or decreasing the flow of oil requires rotating the swash
plate on the HST pump. That is done mechanically by the pedals. The
cruise control uses some method of locking the swash plate in place. The
question is what is the locking mechanism and how is it specifically controlled.

Not on the e (electronic) Hydrostatic models. The only thing hooks to the pedals is a potentiometer. Part number 14 is the "sensor"
 

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Not on the e (electronic) Hydrostatic models. The only thing hooks to the pedals is a potentiometer.

OK, so there is something that turns the swash plate. It would be interesting
if it was something like a stepper motor. How do they do it?
 
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if your 4310 is ehydro,it is all electric control.sounds like maybe you have a high resistance ground,voltage may be bleeding off to effectively operate the circuit.not sure how they operate it,curious to see a wiring diagram of it.has to be a simple circuit involving the input voltage and an output to some sort of solonoid.the ecm may just see the input voltage at the time of engagement and lock that value in until the brake is applied or cruise is manually turned off.either way,you are going to have to qualify the electrical circuit before you get into it too far.connections are critical,especially in a dirt filled environment .make sure all the connections are good first,looking to see if any terminals are spread,pushed out,etc,etc.terminal fretting is also a high possibility do to the environment tractors are in.terminal tension should be checked as well.good luck and let us know what you find out.
 
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OK, so there is something that turns the swash plate. It would be interesting
if it was something like a stepper motor. How do they do it?

This?
 

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Yeah, I just looked it up, too. They use proportional solenoid spool
valves. That leads me to believe that the HST pump is fixed displacement.
There are no pix of that side of the HST in the parts document.
 
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my cruise control works intermittently , what could cause that?
 
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again chickenman,check those connections ! i don't know what the actual values of the potentiometers,it could be as low as 5 volts with the pedal depressed all the way.so,if you think of it in those terms,any high resistance connections could play havoc in a light duty circuit.when you are working with a 0-5 volt circuit,any drop in voltage could cause the issue.the connectors need to be inspected,taken apart,cleaned,checked for the correct terminal tension.when checking the tension,you do not want to just jam something into the terminal.the easiest way to do it is to remove one of the male pins from the connector,and gently try to push it into the female terminal,i don't push them in all the way to full seat,i want to feel drag when inserting the terminal indicating a good fit,inspect the terminals for fretting/corrosion.usually indicated by terminal discoloration,or a white powdery residue on the terminals themselves,just the slightest amount of corrosion will cause problems,especially with a low voltage circuit.once you have qualified all the electrical connections,you need to verify that no voltage drops are present with a good digital volt meter.as long as everything electrical checks out in the wiring,it is either a mechanical fault,or the ECU has an issue,but you must start with checking the connections first.most wiring faults are due to a mechanical failure,ie connections.don't assume that just because the connector is fully seated,a problem does'nt exist.you will also need to inspect where and how the wires are routed,look for rub throughs where the harness comes in contact with the tractor.sometimes,the wire can be partialy broken inside the insulation itself,i always apply some light pressure to the wires by tugging on them before and after the connectors.these tests are really simple to do,and if you follow through,it makes getting to the problem quick and efficient.it is all apart of a strategy based diagnostic process.if you are not comfortable doing these tests,alot of people are intimidated by wiring,get a trained professional to take a look at it,there are precautions to consider,probing around wires can also create problems if you don't know what you are doing,so sometimes it's best to have the guy that knows what he is looking at to diagnose the problem you are chasing.saves time and hassle.i spit this info out like it is very easy,but i have been doing it for 28 years on a professional level and i am speaking from experience.you have to qualify the connections and wiring first on an inoperable or intermittent inoperable electrical circuit.mechanical parts either work or they don't,but electrical can be intermittent due to the items i have outlined.tractors get exposed to every type of environment,so corrosion is always a possibility.there may even be service bulletins on the problem,you could check with your local dealer to see if they have any concerning the issue.that is probably what i would do first to try and save time,sometimes they can lead you right to the fix almost instantly and direct you where to look.sorry for the long post,but i hope it helps you get to the root of the problem and gets your tractor fixed. good luck ! :thumbsup:
 
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I'm concluding it's a heat problem with the drive controller.

I blew it out with an air hose and took the left side cover off and it works better but still not like it should.

it's not the mfwd speed sensor because the max speed function still works when the cruise stops working and that function uses the same sensor sensor
 
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The pedal potentimeters are a 5v reference. Actual is .9 to 4.5 v.
 

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