How Important is Made in the USA?

/ How Important is Made in the USA? #141  
Good point. My Milwaukee appears to have its hammering capability from lots of use; so I too have been keeping an eye out for a replacement when the inevitable happens to my non-Chinese made hammer-drill. That's when I discovered the evil "Made in China" phrase in McFeely's catalog next to Milwaukee products.

Still up huh?

My Milwaukee died a while back. I just haven't had to replace it yet. Now that I work for the city rather than as a contractor, I don't need the tools as often as I used to. I'm kind of enjoying that. LOL. Even so, I'm still going to need to buy another quality corded drill. There's things you just can't do with a cordless and don't want to break out the Hole-Hawg for.:laughing:
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #142  
Hmmm. You have me thinking. Maybe more of us who use these tools (milwaukee, etc) should be buying stock and voting on where and how production is done. Got to keep the quality up. I'm going to have to replace my Milwaukee drill before long.

I was using my 1&3/4" roto-hammer yesterday to drill holes for rebar before a concrete pour. It definately says "made in USA" on it. I also have 2) 8-1/4" worm drive framing saws. The old one says "Made in USA". The newer one says "Mexico" on it. :(

I called Milwaukee a year ago and actually got through to someone about foreign built Milwaukee tools. They are now owned by a company out of Hong Kong. Same company that owns Ryobi.

Anyway, I voiced my displeasure about them shutting US plants, but there's no longer ANY 100%l American alternative. From what I've read, Milwaukee isn't really even American owned anymore.


"Milwaukee Electric Tool is a subsidiary of Techtronic Industries Co. Ltd. (TTI), ttigroup.com.
Founded in 1985, TTI is a leading marketer, manufacturer and supplier of home improvement and floor care products, employing over 20,000 people worldwide. TTI's global brand portfolio includes Ryobiョ, Milwaukeeョ and AEGョ power tools, DreBoョ carbide drill bits, Homeliteョ and Ryobiョ outdoor power equipment and Royalョ, Dirt Devilョ, Reginaョ and VAXョ floor care appliances. The acquisition takes advantage of TTI and Milwaukee痴 marketing and distribution networks and enhances Milwaukee痴 ability to expand its markets and product portfolio worldwide."

Yeah, right....BS!! :( I liked Milwaukee better when they were an old American brand name that focused on building heavy duty tools that the construction industry could rely on. I bet when "TTI" bought them, they laid off as many Americans and shut down as many American plants as possible.
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #143  
Sorry to hear that, Me, my wife, and all of my friends are better off financially, than our parents, and especially our grandparents. I have put substantial savings away for retirement, not counting on anyone else to pay my way when that time comes (Social Security). This is started to head down the wrong path from the OP, I will bow out.
I totally agree with your last two sentences! I wish it was equal.
I will do fine in retirement as I have worked,saved,invested. I have always been one to rely on no one but myself.(I was taught, harder one works,the farther you get, but am realizing that in some instances, you just get tired).I have never even considered SS to be anything other than a carrot out there in front of us that I will probably never get. I would prefer to save or invest it myself.(would have been a bonus).My point was that with forced career changes during my prime earning years, the point at which I am truly better off keeps moving farther away. Incomes have stagnated while costs of everything have kept increasing. We have more resistant and widespread diseases, environment in shambles. I might have been better off than my parents, had I chose to live a simpler life. In living a simpler, less materialistic life, one worries less about trying to keep what he has, and more about LIVING. Can't lose what you don't have. I think, the simple life will win out in the end.
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #144  
Until I went to work for the city five years ago, I did the same job which my father did as an electrical foreman building traffic signals. In one generation, the cost of major purchases have gone up by ten fold (10x), whereas income has doubled (2x).:( To have the same buying power my father had at my age, I would need to make around $300/hr.:confused2: My wife's father bought and paid off their house in three years as a forklift operator. Our house is of comparable age to what theirs was when they bought it (27 years old) , but it would take every penny of my entire gross income for about 3-1/2 years to pay for it. Also, our house is one of the cheapest you can find in the area we live (paid $226K). Most houses around here sell for $350-400K. I went out of my way to have the lowest house payment I could get. The relator laughed when I said I didn't want to pay over $200K.

All-in-all, I would have to say our parents had it better than we will. When they were where we are, they had their houses paid off, whereas 50% of our income goes into mortgage rather than retirement like they did at our age.

EDIT: The used Hundai I bought this year for $6K is about 1/3 of what my wife's father paid for their house ($20K).
 
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/ How Important is Made in the USA? #145  
If this was reviously covered within the thread, I apologize. What exactly does it take on a federal or state level to be able to attach a decal of an American flag with the words "Made in USA" to a piece of equipment? I personaly know of an equipment dealer in Oregon who only assembles parts from china (100% of the parts) and then applies a decal that states "Assembled in USA with pride". The ironic part is that the dealer employs people who cannot speak english, but I digress. Like other replies to the original post, what exactly are we getting? I would actively seek out and purchase quality manufactured, 100% USA made implements as long as I would not be expected to pay a large premium JUST for the country of origin. 10% would not scare me away but 30% to 200% definately would. I must look at my aquisition cost/usefull life ratio and decide if "good enough is right for me. If I can support domestic jobs and commerce as well, then great, but I am not wealthy enough to just pay through my nose. Perhaps the OP should start a consortium of like-minded businesspersons who promote themselves as offering good old-fashioned value while keeping the money at home. Then, once that movement is better established, expand. I am involved with marketing and promotion for a local farmers market. We have learned that the value must be noticed by the consumer. Foreign steel looks just like domestic steel and assembly line chicken eggs look like organic happy chicken eggs. The proof is in the taste and the satisfaction of the end user. Do not be afraid to stand behind products even if you take it in the shorts a few times. Customer loyalty and word of mouth advertising can go a very long way if you offer long-term guarantees and the like. A customer service department that uses competent humans to answer questions in a timely manner can get more people to conclude that they really are getting what they pay for and be willing to pay extra when they get extra.
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #146  
I used to own a manufacturing company that made a number of products for the shooting sports industry.

About 15+ years ago.....a SD company (I believe the company was called "FLAGS") was promoting their plan to add the USA FLAG label to products that had materials and labor that were 100% Made in the USA....in an effort to promote our national interests. It was at this point that the country was quickly losing 100% USA made products. This flag company wanted manufacturers to pay a few % points premium to them for the use of their "flag logo" and the "100% made in the USA" words. Any effort to do so without their blessing (and fee) was going to be an issue with them. Evidently they had some intellectual property rights to these things. :confused::confused2:

Anyway....long-story-short....while we were 100% USA made....I was unwilling to be "held-up" by this company and pay the extra % they wanted to put MY countries flag on MY products. The buzz was you could not use a flag on your product without paying somebody to use it. DUH!!! I refused....but nobody could prevent you from saying Made in the USA in words.....sans the flag. Seems somebody always has their finger in my pie.

My old company is now making its products in good 'ole china.....and do not meet my "old" standards for quality (and I don't think they ever saved and money by going to china with this product line.) What are you gonna do?

Its becoming almost impossible to be 100% made in the USA anymore. And I fear we will regret it. :(
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #147  
I can't see 10% being an issue if you can afford $500 than $550 isn't an issue.Remember as a manufacturer NAFTA plays a big part .The company I work for has some items that if we try to export them to USA the duty is extreme and in my opinion the quality is poor ,but don't fool yourself US and Canadian products are only as good as the quality control officer ,far from good let alone perfect.
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #148  
There's things you just can't do with a cordless and don't want to break out the Hole-Hawg for.:laughing:

At least you have a Hole-Hawg!

I called Milwaukee a year ago and actually got through to someone about foreign built Milwaukee tools. They are now owned by a company out of Hong Kong. Same company that owns Ryobi.

Anyway, I voiced my displeasure about them shutting US plants, but there's no longer ANY 100%l American alternative. From what I've read, Milwaukee isn't really even American owned anymore.


"Milwaukee Electric Tool is a subsidiary of Techtronic Industries Co. Ltd. (TTI), ttigroup.com.
Founded in 1985, TTI is a leading marketer, manufacturer and supplier of home improvement and floor care products, employing over 20,000 people worldwide. TTI's global brand portfolio includes Ryobiョ, Milwaukeeョ and AEGョ power tools, DreBoョ carbide drill bits, Homeliteョ and Ryobiョ outdoor power equipment and Royalョ, Dirt Devilョ, Reginaョ and VAXョ floor care appliances. The acquisition takes advantage of TTI and Milwaukee痴 marketing and distribution networks and enhances Milwaukee痴 ability to expand its markets and product portfolio worldwide."

Yeah, right....BS!! :( I liked Milwaukee better when they were an old American brand name that focused on building heavy duty tools that the construction industry could rely on. I bet when "TTI" bought them, they laid off as many Americans and shut down as many American plants as possible.

Oh just frakking great. :( You can bet TTI will screw Milwaukee over like Black & Decker did to DeWalt and Delta. It seems that the only Delta tools people rave about were the ones made during the Rockwell era. I have a Delta 10" bench grinder from the Pentair era, and its OK; but not as nice as the Jet I should have bought back then.

About 15+ years ago.....a SD company (I believe the company was called "FLAGS") was promoting their plan to add the USA FLAG label to products that had materials and labor that were 100% Made in the USA....in an effort to promote our national interests. It was at this point that the country was quickly losing 100% USA made products. This flag company wanted manufacturers to pay a few % points premium to them for the use of their "flag logo" and the "100% made in the USA" words. Any effort to do so without their blessing (and fee) was going to be an issue with them. Evidently they had some intellectual property rights to these things. :confused::confused2:

Anyway....long-story-short....while we were 100% USA made....I was unwilling to be "held-up" by this company and pay the extra % they wanted to put MY countries flag on MY products. The buzz was you could not use a flag on your product without paying somebody to use it. DUH!!! I refused....but nobody could prevent you from saying Made in the USA in words.....sans the flag. Seems somebody always has their finger in my pie.

Its becoming almost impossible to be 100% made in the USA anymore. And I fear we will regret it. :(

Since when is the US flag copyrighted? This sounds like a total shakedown scheme the FTC and/or Attorney General should be looking into.

A country unable or unwilling to provide for itself is doomed to fail.
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #149  
I would definately pay more for truly Made In The USA. I don't care if the quality is equal to the imported item. I'm tired of all the excuses that are posted by those that are employed by or have ties to imported materials or products. thats all they are excuses. Tarrifs, epa, osha, government in general. Its excuses to keep doing what they are already doing; stuffing their pockets. As far as quality of life; everybody used to have a couple of hundred acres or more and could pay for anything they needed. The common man can't even dream of starting a farm or buying a hunting paradise now. I think our money is definately weaker than our parents or grandparents. Maybe it you were born well off your wealth has continued to grow at a rate unequal to the average Americans. Yes I know there are those out there that came from nothing and are now wealthy, but its not the norm.
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #150  
Oh just frakking great. :( You can bet TTI will screw Milwaukee over like Black & Decker did to DeWalt and Delta. It seems that the only Delta tools people rave about were the ones made during the Rockwell era. I have a Delta 10" bench grinder from the Pentair era, and its OK; but not as nice as the Jet I should have bought back then.

I have a couple Rockwell tools including a long power planer I use on doors that is an excellent tool. It was given to me by the wife of a local carpenter who passed away. Great, heavy solid tool.
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #151  
Whew! What a fascinating thread! My first impression is that folks prefer quality over price, and if all else is equal then we wouldn't mind paying a little more for "Made in the USA". But the main bias I'm reading seems to lean toward quality rather than price.

And that's the way I feel. When I see something priced for more, my first question is, "Why does it cost more?" Because if it costs more for a reason that makes it last longer or be more useful to me then I'm going to seriously consider buying that one.

A few decades ago buying a tool built with top quality manufacturing, best materials, and clever design almost guaranteed that the tool would be made in the USA. Sometimes that still happens, and when it does I'll definitely buy the one made in the USA. Buying the best and being able to support our country at the same time makes me feel good all over. Proud to do so. But when I see average quality tools competing with other average quality tools based on where they are made rather than how well they are made then I have the opposite reaction.
rScotty
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #152  
Whew! What a fascinating thread! My first impression is that folks prefer quality over price, and if all else is equal then we wouldn't mind paying a little more for "Made in the USA". But the main bias I'm reading seems to lean toward quality rather than price.

And that's the way I feel. When I see something priced for more, my first question is, "Why does it cost more?" Because if it costs more for a reason that makes it last longer or be more useful to me then I'm going to seriously consider buying that one.

A few decades ago buying a tool built with top quality manufacturing, best materials, and clever design almost guaranteed that the tool would be made in the USA. Sometimes that still happens, and when it does I'll definitely buy the one made in the USA. Buying the best and being able to support our country at the same time makes me feel good all over. Proud to do so. But when I see average quality tools competing with other average quality tools based on where they are made rather than how well they are made then I have the opposite reaction.
rScotty

Well said.:thumbsup:
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #153  
Ted,

Absolutely positively! I'm a 50 yo, 29 yr union civil servant. Make it here (North America), sell it here. The worst thing the US ever did was open trade to CHINA. I agree with WVPolecat 10% more for USA made, 25% for USA only parts.

RMully

The biggest problem is parts. There are many Chinese implements around at good prices but if it breaks and the dealer does not have it in stock you are SOL for a long time or pay dearly for the part to be expressed over. Looks good but I would not take a chance. Italy is the worst, you get the part when they get around to it.

The solution I use for this is this. When it breaks I go buy another one that has the part I need. Trade the broken for the good, & take the new one back with the broken part & get my $$ back. Although I think Chinese parts are the worst IMO.

CCWKen

I'll bet everyone here shops at Walmart. 90%+ of their products are from off-shore manufactures. They didn't get to be Number One in sales by offering quality American products to the up-scale buyers. They got their by selling CHEAP products to low and middle income buyers.

I've NEVER even gone into a Wally World, & won't. My wife shopped there once & everything went back.

CCWKen & Lostcause,
Except for some specialty steels, NO steel is produced in the US. Where are you going to buy the material except from off-shore makers? It doesn't make any difference if you're making buttons or building a skyscraper, the US doesn't make the steel anymore. It's not here to buy.

Bethlehem Steel has been running 24/7/365 for the last 10+ yrs. The EPA & OSHA did shut down Furnace #1 for replacement ~15 yrs ago, after a crew passed out from CO, 2 of which died. That furnace was built in the 1890's so it was kinda due. My former BIL was on the crew that worked the shift before the crew that died. He always seemed to come home with headaches, I wonder why. Since that time I believe they have replaced & upgraded ALL of their furnaces & manufacturing capabilities.

Dcyrilc,

Been to a WalMart, ONCE, never been back. Same goes for Harbor Freight. Nothing of interest for me there. 99% of the stuff is garbage. I go to Home Depot around once or twice a year, Only because everyone else is out of what I'm after. I'd rather pay a little more at the local hardware store and keep them in business than spend it at a chain store

Yup, more of the Mom & Pop hardware stores have gone under since the BORG & Hechinger (remember them?) began.

I know that in Washington State, all traffic signal poles must be made from US steel. Same thing for galvanized rigid conduit used on state DOT projects.

The same is true for MDDOT & Montgomery County MD projects I work for MCDOT, hence my moniker Trafficman

T-Man. :cool:
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #154  
Bethlehem Steel has been running 24/7/365 for the last 10+ yrs. The EPA & OSHA did shut down Furnace #1 for replacement ~15 yrs ago, after a crew passed out from CO, 2 of which died. That furnace was built in the 1890's so it was kinda due. My former BIL was on the crew that worked the shift before the crew that died. He always seemed to come home with headaches, I wonder why. Since that time I believe they have replaced & upgraded ALL of their furnaces & manufacturing capabilities.

hmmm, maybe i missed something. i thought bethlehem closed several years ago. i know we used to order steel from bethlehem's various plants - particularly the main steel mill in bethlehem, and the sparrows point plate mill. i just looked it up to be sure... closed/bankrupt in 2003, sold to international steel, which is now arcelor/mittal. according to wikipedia, there is now a resort casino on the site of the bethlehem steel mill. i'm guessing they aren't still rolling shapes.
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #155  
hmmm, maybe i missed something. i thought bethlehem closed several years ago. i know we used to order steel from bethlehem's various plants - particularly the main steel mill in bethlehem, and the sparrows point plate mill. i just looked it up to be sure... closed/bankrupt in 2003, sold to international steel, which is now arcelor/mittal. according to wikipedia, there is now a resort casino on the site of the bethlehem steel mill. i'm guessing they aren't still rolling shapes.

You are correct. Bethlehem Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mittal now owns our local steel mill which was called Lukens Steel for over 100 years.
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #156  
With all our government regulations and enviromental laws many USA companies have turned to China, Mexico & Japan for building their products, which is very unfortunate.:(
The US has some good regulations, but many are overreaching, and the US & foreign companies know it.
Can you imagine how good our economy would be if everything that was sold in Walmart, Kmart, Sears, Target, Home Depot, Lowes was made 100% in the USA? Yes! we would all have to pay a little more to comply with our laws, but unemployment would be very low and people would not be looking for unemployment benefits or going on welfare. I know its more complicated than that in this global world but you get the picture. Back in the 30's through the 60's I would bet raw steel & most products were made here in the USA. Then companies started going to Japan for cheaper labor & it esculated from there to other countries, China being the favorite now.
Look at the auto companies, they didn't think a company like Toyota could ever overtake them back in the 60's & 70's, then with some poor quality of the US made auto's & Toyota slowly gaining a following of good quality vehicles, till recently, they eventually overtook the Big 3 in the USA.
Back to the original post, Ted, I would pay 10% more for a product that was 100% made in the USA.
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #157  
American made steel company:
RW Conklin Steel Supply, Inc ? 100% Melted & Manufactured in the USA

10% should be attainable. If initially funded correctly, maybe less. To build a box blade:

1)cut steel on robotic CNC plasma(labor to load sheets and remove scraps)

2)Robotic welders (labor to fit steel into welding jigs.)

3)robotic powdercoat spray booth. (labor to load and unload)

4)prep and package. Minimal labor.

I could see where a properly laid out factory could make 24 box blades a shift with about 6 direct labor workers using modern technologies.

6 laborers burdened at $100/hour rate = $4800 day divided by 24 box blades = $200 labor per blade Now there are so many other overhead factors and epa crap that would be where the real 10% comes from....

I choose quality and preferably MADE IN USA when possible. 10 % is possible on simple implement items but it would take getting some good startup capital initial investment to do it right.
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA?
  • Thread Starter
#158  
There are so many people on here that say that their is no American Steel. My brothers company Construction Attachments and the tractor implements that we are building uses American Steel from Nucor Steel which has foundries all over the US. :)

Our prices will never be as high as Woods, Landpride, and Bush Hog, but we will be producing these types of superior equipment at a much better price point because there is no middle man, no distributors, and no sales reps. The end consumer is purchasing direct which saves money.

At first we will be keeping it simple by only building landscaping and gardening equipment with no intentions of building loaders, backhoes or rotary cutters. Quality by Design is our trademark, and we will be able to keep our costs down because we do not have the enormous overhead. We will also never re-brand and sell our implements in a "Box Store". They will only be available on our website for purchase.

It is the small things that count and we are already fabricating several key components so that we will be more in control of our inventory and not have our implements waiting three months on components to get here from China.

Made in the USA means a lot to me, and to the people that work for me, and it definitely means something to the new American employees that now have jobs because of this venture. If it has our name on it, it's going to be made in the USA and it is going to be the GOOD STUFF.

Quality by Design - Buy Direct!:thumbsup:
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #159  
There are so many people on here that say that their is no American Steel. My brothers company Construction Attachments and the tractor implements that we are building uses American Steel from Nucor Steel which has foundries all over the US. :)

Our prices will never be as high as Woods, Landpride, and Bush Hog, but we will be producing these types of superior equipment at a much better price point because there is no middle man, no distributors, and no sales reps. The end consumer is purchasing direct which saves money.

At first we will be keeping it simple by only building landscaping and gardening equipment with no intentions of building loaders, backhoes or rotary cutters. Quality by Design is our trademark, and we will be able to keep our costs down because we do not have the enormous overhead. We will also never re-brand and sell our implements in a "Box Store". They will only be available on our website for purchase.

It is the small things that count and we are already fabricating several key components so that we will be more in control of our inventory and not have our implements waiting three months on components to get here from China.

Made in the USA means a lot to me, and to the people that work for me, and it definitely means something to the new American employees that now have jobs because of this venture. If it has our name on it, it's going to be made in the USA and it is going to be the GOOD STUFF.

Quality by Design - Buy Direct!:thumbsup:

Can't wait to see them. Put me on the list for:

Pallet forks
Grapple bucket with rake bottom
box blade
 
/ How Important is Made in the USA? #160  
Trust me on this one...I'm a Vet and I fly the red, white and blue every day...I will gladly pay a 10% premium for a "Made in the USA" product...it is getting harder and harder to find good quality, AMERICAN made items. Bring it on!

I figure if the American companies ship jobs over to China, then they can get........... I make it a point to buy American made stuff, and if an American company builds their stuff in China then brings it here to sell, they are economic terrorists, plain and simpl. They may as well be Jihadists.
 
 

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