how to ruin a very nice tractor/loader/backhoe

[dfkrug]

I saw this video on Youtube, and it is not for the faint-of-heart. I don't
know how long it will be posted, since it is a Kioti CK30 sold by a dealer.
I only happened across this video because it came up on the "related
video" teaser list while posting a video of my own CK30.

I was not so much bothered by all the cracks and dents. What really
bothered me is that the tractor has been and continues to be used
with bolts missing from the loader subframe, and the toplink missing that
goes with the backhoe subframe. In the latter case, some ignoramus has
tried welding the lower parts of the backhoe subframe to combat the
extreme flex you can see when operating the hoe without the toplink.

This is worse abuse than I have seen on the many rental tractors I have
owned!

YouTube - Kioti tractor features, CK30 sold

 

[daman1]

That tractor has been over stressed, used hard, i'd pass unless the price was too good?

 

[Duffster]

You got to use it to abuse it.

It looks like they asked more from the backhoe than it was up to, otherwise it looks like a used tractor.

 

[daman1]

To snap them loader bolts like that and break the ram eye let and dipper joint welded on each side of the pin through hole, yea they used it!

 

[Jaylegger]

Barrett's Equipment is a rental company which evidently rents equipment that should be red flagged and taken out of service. Only a bunch of bums would allow a piece of rental equipment to regress to this level of disrepair.

 

[daman1]

Barrett's Equipment is a rental company

Ahh ok nuff said i'd hit the road running,you know how well rental equipment is used/taken care of.

 

[dcyrilc]

Ahh ok nuff said i'd hit the road running,you know how well rental equipment is used/taken care of.

Yea, look at the 4300 that Dave rebuilt. LOL I wasn't sure it was really a tractor when he started.:laughing: Sure looks beautiful now though.:thumbsup:

 

[daman1]

Yea, look at the 4300 that Dave rebuilt. LOL I wasn't sure it was really a tractor when he started.:laughing: Sure looks beautiful now though.:thumbsup:

Happen to have the link handy?

 

[dfkrug]

Ahh ok nuff said i'd hit the road running,you know how well rental equipment is used/taken care of.

I will say this about my experience with owning all my former rentals:
they were used hard, but they were not sent out (by the company I
know best) with missing loader bolts or missing links. And the oil
levels were checked often and actually replaced. Some individual
owners are harder on tractors than renters are.

I DID know of a bad company that went out of biz years ago.....their
stuff was in terrible shape.

 

[dfkrug]

To snap them loader bolts like that and break the ram eye let and dipper joint welded on each side of the pin through hole, yea they used it!

The FEL bolts just got loose and never got checked, I will bet. Every
new tractor I have had needs this maintenance (bolt-tightening) more
than older ones.

Just watch how much the hoe flexes while the guy demonstrates it. Painful
for me to watch.

 

[dcyrilc]

Happen to have the link handy?

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/parts-repairs/146974-john-deere-4300-complete-rebuild.html

 

[dcyrilc]

I will say this about my experience with owning all my former rentals:
they were used hard, but they were not sent out (by the company I
know best) with missing loader bolts or missing links. And the oil
levels were checked often and actually replaced. Some individual
owners are harder on tractors than renters are.

I DID know of a bad company that went out of biz years ago.....their
stuff was in terrible shape.

I have to admit, you did say they were using it for parts to keep the other machines running.

 

[daman1]

Just watch how much the hoe flexes while the guy demonstrates it. Painful
for me to watch.

Yea i seen that,scary, bushings and or pins are shot,somebody don't know what grease is.

the pins/bush in my old '75 hoe in my avatar aren't that bad!

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/parts-repairs/146974-john-deere-4300-complete-rebuild.html

Thanks! :thumbsup:

 

[dcyrilc]

Yea i seen that,scary, bushings and or pins are shot,somebody don't know what grease is.

the pins/bush in my old '75 hoe in my avatar aren't that bad!

Thanks! :thumbsup:

Enjoy the read!:thumbsup:

 

[Mousefield]

That tractor has been over stressed, used hard, i'd pass unless the price was too good?

Interesting watching them point out some of the issues. Wonder what you don't see, I'd pass this up at almost any price.
One of the reasons I got a new one. :thumbsup:

 

[daman1]

Great thing about new is you'll always know the history,lol

 

[MikeD74T]

I'd buy that tractor if the price was right. Missing top link, not required for sub frame use & if tractor was purchased w/backhoe for rental use there probably never was one delivered. Bushings are wear items that are meant to be replaced. Most on TBN will probably never put the hours on a backhoe that this one has. As for a renter greasing, did you see the grease gun in the toolbox or on a bracket? Short term renters don't do maintenance unless told to & provided the tools/parts. Welding was done on the struts because the bolts kept loosening. Insufficient weld by amateur welder ! The struts are used to make the sub frame smaller for initial shipping then assembled. Woods sub frames are 1 piece - no assembly required. Weld on the boom -is this the first Kioti (or any other) underdesign issue we've seen that required a weld repair ? Missing loader frame bolts is a staple with Kioti. Loader assembly/installation is usually not done by the shops best mechanics and doubtful a torque wrench was used. I'd safety wire them if I was in the rental business. I considered safety wiring mine until I tightened them with a torque wrench to proper tightness & stopped loosing them. I try to take care of my tractors but got them to do work not to work on. Scratches & dents happen, waxing don't.
Actually I thought the video is very forthcoming & honest for a salesman. Exceeded his knowledge level slightly but nothing witheld or covered up. I'd buy from him. MikeD74T

 

[dfkrug]

Missing top link, not required for sub frame use & if tractor was purchased w/backhoe for rental use there probably never was one delivered. ......Welding was done on the struts because the bolts kept loosening. Insufficient weld by amateur welder ! The struts are used to make the sub frame smaller for initial shipping then assembled. Woods sub frames are 1 piece - no assembly required.

Is your backhoe a 2375 or 2385, Mike? If so, does the owner's manual
say anything about using a toplink with the subframe? It is true that the
Kioti hoes at the shows don't usually have them, but they need them.
It seems that the newer hoe (2475) has a provision for a toplink (photo).
The one in the video is flexing to much longitudinally. That would cause
the strut bolts to loosen up. Even a good weld here would not last very
long with that much flex. I wish I had a good photo of under the seat of
a 2375....

The older style Woods ladder-style subframes that I have seen and
purchased all had enhanced toplinks. There was also sustantial assembly
required, esp for the parts that stayed on the tractor.

 

[MikeD74T]

dfkrug, My backhoe is made by Long Mfg. & I adapted it to a Woods subframe. I can see that you're right about the toplink being necessary in this application. Here's a rock solid CK20 with toplink installed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGbc...0E0E78774&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=2 I agree that if designed for a toplink then it should be used, however it's not like a toplink is an irreplacable part. On this tractor it may be necessary to limit flex in an underdesigned subframe, but we're not talking industrial TLB here either. Same for the bent bucket top edge. Most use their FEL for little more than a wheelbarrow, which is not a bad thing at all, but this one has worked harder than that. I'm just saying the unit needs some simple maintenance. It's not the complete piece of junk some implied. With a couple hundred in parts & some self supplied labor someone that can't afford new could get a lifetimes use out if it, using it as it was built to be used. And I still thinks that is a quality sales pitch. Why was it on u tube? MikeD74T

 

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One has to wonder about all the obvious abuse{the surface damage}, what problems are lerking in the dark................?