2011 Superduty are out! ! !

[Dmace]

I think you heard wrong.

Wow, another great post from Duffster just full of useful information that pertains to the subject on hand. Where do I go to nominate the member of the month? :laughing:
If you have nothing useful to add as usual then why post at all?

 

[Duffster]

Wow, another great post from Duffster just full of useful information that pertains to the subject on hand. Where do I go to nominate the member of the month? :laughing:
If you have nothing useful to add as usual then why post at all?

If there is an award for blind brand bashng then I will nominate you.

Anyone that has done more than 10 minutes of reading can see what you "heard" is inaccurate. I didn't feel the need to explain it all but thank you to the posters that did.

 

[Big Bri]

Then you've heard wrong. The urea tank is 5 gallons. It is expected to be topped off (not totally refilled) at each oil change. The expected mileage is 7,000 to 12,000 miles per 5 gallons depending upon how the vehicle is used. Urea is currently available in 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon, 5 gallon, and 55 gallon size containers.

The use of urea with a diesel is nothing new. Diesel cars and trucks in Europe have used urea for the past several years. The BMW diesel and Mercedes diesel cars imported into the U.S. all use urea. A number of heavy duty diesel motor manufacturers currently use DEF for their motors - Cummins still does not.

Most of the diesel exhaust fluid (DEF) is manufactured and distributed by Tera Environmental Technologies (TET). DEF reduces nitrogen oxides (NOx) as it is a catalyst.

On the Dodge pickups, Cummins uses "super EGR" which is more gas recirculation, higher turbo boost pressures, and higher fuel injection pressures. There is also a close-coupled catalyst (CCC) mounted after the turbine. A small amount of fuel is sprayed into the CCC and chemically oxidized. As this happens the exhaust temperature increases allowing the downstream catalytic converter to work more effectively.

There are pros and cons with both systems. The problem with the super EGR approach is that it reduces the air to fuel ratio, and that, plus the use of the CCC, may reduce fuel mileage. An example of the air / fuel ratio change comparing a 1998 motor to the 2010 - the air / fuel ratio for the 1998 Cummins was 28:1 and in the new motor it will be 20:1.

Good info Thanks, I'm still learning about all these new trucks.

 

[dodge man]

There are more than a few brand loyal people on the web site, me included, so lets not kid ourselves. What I would like to know about the mileage test is how the vehicles were equiped? Similar rear gears, transmissions, options, weight etc?

 

[swines]

Good info Thanks, I'm still learning about all these new trucks.

You're welcome. The DEF is easy to replenish. When you open the fuel door there is a second filler cap (blue) that is smaller than the diesel filler cap. There is also a warning that will come on in the instrument cluster when you have 800 miles to empty on the DEF tank. The idea being that you will have to fill up the vehicle with diesel prior to running out of DEF. DEF is currently available at all major truck stops; and the auto parts stores + Wally World are starting to carry it.

 

[scoutcub]

Back on topic, I went to the Ford web site to check em out.....
Don't really know if I'm so keen on the new looks. As another member said, might have to grow on me. And the wheel well over the dually looks boxier, not as streamlined as my 06.....just a few observations.When I went for the build on the f450 cc diesel KR, the starting price was at 63K! After navigation system, upfitter switches, moonroof, et.etc. you're be in the 70's real quick.
There are some nice ideas in there though,,,,,,

 

[swines]

When I went for the build on the f450 cc diesel KR, the starting price was at 63K! After navigation system, upfitter switches, moonroof, et.etc. you're be in the 70's real quick.

Actually - no. I did a build of a 350 and a 450 before I ordered my F350. The difference is about $5K between them, which is the base price difference between the F350 and F450. If you look carefully at the F450 crewcab, it's already decked out with 4 wheel drive and about every option you can get - so you really don't add up the options unless you want the moon roof and navigation package. My F350 MSRP was about $63K. The F450 was about $67+.

I added the heavy duty alternator (200 amps), camper package, 5th wheel prep, and spray-in bed liner. The F450 comes with a limited slip 4:30 rear end. The limited slip on the F350 is an option - and about $1200 because they're no longer using a clutch-pack system but a gear locker system (haven't looked into that any further to figure out how it works).

 

[Diamondpilot]

I'm surprised no one has commented on "mustangsallysdad" post on the F350 "Super Duty", 4X4, SRW, CC, 6.7L with (3.31 gears); are you going to have to push with your feet to get these things rolling:laughing:

The 3.31 gears will not hurt a bit in these new trucks. Gone is the day of low gears in the rear end with 6 speed trannys. They make the first 2 gears so low that they are equal too or better than 4.10's and you benefit on the top end with a tall gear in the tranny to make that 3.31 shine.

I am sure Dodge and GM will follow.

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

I want to swap rides for a week ( without the passenger ) and check out this new gold brick. With all the shouting about power and fuel mileage..... I like to form my own opinions on real life usage. Of course if your limited to 50 miles and a 10 minute test drive.................. I don't believe the hoopla.

Not at my dealer. I pick up trucks on Saturday morning and bring them back on Monday or just keep them and they bring the paperwork to my house. My brother-N-law just did that with a F-150 purchase and he lives 75 miles away. They came to his house to sign the paper work and the only thing they asked was what was for dinner.

Chris

 

[sld]

The advantages of the 6.2 over the V10 (6.8L) - 6.2 weighs less, much better fuel mileage.

Don't get too carried away about the mileage increase of the 6.2. I spend some time on Ford Truck Enthusiasts and they had a long thread that involved the lead project engineer for the 6.2. While it is more efficient, on paper it was only in the range of 6-7 percent.

Well..... 6-7 percent of a rather low number to begin with is a pretty small number. Plus, that was just the brake specific fuel consumption (or whatever they call it). Real world in a 7500 lb truck it may not show any increases. As a rule, smaller displacement engines have to work harder to pull the same load.

I am very disappointed Ford chose to go with a smaller displacement, higher revving engine. Didn't they learn from Dodge's mistake of putting the hemi in a heavy duty truck? (sorry Dmace, just have to jab you in the ribs when I can):laughing:

 

[Diamondpilot]

I am very disappointed Ford chose to go with a smaller displacement, higher revving engine. Didn't they learn from Dodge's mistake of putting the hemi in a heavy duty truck?

100% correct. Its a ploy to force you into the diesel and its going to turn out to be a wrong move. Its a trend though. First Dodge with the V-10 and then GM with the 8.1. Both good engines.

Chris

 

[mustangsallysdad]

Not at my dealer. I pick up trucks on Saturday morning and bring them back on Monday or just keep them and they bring the paperwork to my house. My brother-N-law just did that with a F-150 purchase and he lives 75 miles away. They came to his house to sign the paper work and the only thing they asked was what was for dinner.

Chris

Ah, small town life...the sales manager at the local dealership lives a couple of miles from me along the same county road...he just stopped by Monday evening to ask how the wife's new SHO was treating us (about 6 weeks old)...gave us "future use" vouchers for a free state inspection, oil & filter change, detail and tire rotation...said if we need anything as far as warranty work and such, call him at home and he would be more than happy to pick it up, leave us his dealer demo and then drop ours back off to us. Wrote his home number on the back of his business card. True, we could have saved a couple of hundred by buying at a larger dealer in town, but we're glad we bought local. Now, if we could have saved a couple of thousand in town...I wouldn't be posting this.

 

[wkpoor]

future use" vouchers for a free state inspection,

I sure dred the day that comes here. Thankfully its not and I haven't heard a word if and when.

 

[RobertN]

Interestingly, for all the regulation ect ect here in Calif, we do not have vehicle inspections. Smog yes, but not full vehicle inpection and stickers.

I sure dred the day that comes here. Thankfully its not and I haven't heard a word if and when.

 

[jayste]

Interestingly, for all the regulation ect ect here in Calif, we do not have vehicle inspections. Smog yes, but not full vehicle inpection and stickers.

WOW! I assumed if any state had them California did! Oklahoma used to but did away with it some years back.

 

[RollingsFarms]

wonder what a guy like me who could use the capabilities of a 3/4 or 1 ton truck at times, but doesn't need a diesel? that's why i was kind of excited about this new 6.2 engine. would love to have a V-10, but again, i wouldn't need that much motor. i've stretched the limits of my halfton a few times(8,500 lb towing capacity). hopefully this will be a homerun for Ford. i plan to test drive one as soon as i see one on a dealers lot.

 

[Lt CHEG]

I looked at two on the lot yesterday. They were both already sold as pre-orders so I didn't get to test drive them or anything. The one that I would have been interested in was a F250 Crew Cab 4x4 with the 6.7L diesel. It was a Lariat package and was priced right at $57,300 give or take a few dollars. I don't think that's outrageous, it actually seems in line with 2010 prices. I don't like leather seats so I'd be looking at an XLT which would put the price closer to $55,000 which I think is okay. The grille still doesn't really appeal to me, but I like the looks of the truck much more in person. I could actually see myself owning one of these trucks, and seeing as my last 5 trucks have been GM that's saying something.

On a side note, the dealer was really nice. I took my Aunt to look at a Ford Edge SUV as I'm the designated car shopper in my family. Nobody else likes to deal with buying cars but I tend to keep things on track. Anyhow, I got to talking about the new Super Duties, and asked about the 2010 models too. They actually encouraged me to wait until June for the new incentives if I was going to consider a 2010 model. They also offered me to come in any time for a test drive and take the 2010 model for an extended test drive any time I wanted, with no expectations. I told him that I was looking for something that was going to get at least the fuel economy of my current truck unloaded on the highway, but woud get better mileage towing and would be a more capable tow vehicle. They said the only way to find out would be to drive it a little and see what the fuel usage was like. They also offered to call me when they got a 2011 Super Duty in that wasn't already sold. They said they'd let me test drive that for a while too. I'm actually thinking that if I could sell a couple guns to help make up the difference and sell my current rig at a decent price that I'd consider one of these trucks. Obviously my wife would have to like riding in the truck nearly as much as my current one too, but for highway riding there probably wouldn't be a huge difference and the cab and interior is at least as spacious as my current ride. Anyhow, I was very impressed with the new Fords and with the Ford dealer too.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I looked at two on the lot yesterday. They were both already sold as pre-orders so I didn't get to test drive them or anything. The one that I would have been interested in was a F250 Crew Cab 4x4 with the 6.7L diesel. It was a Lariat package and was priced right at $57,300 give or take a few dollars. I don't think that's outrageous, it actually seems in line with 2010 prices. I don't like leather seats so I'd be looking at an XLT which would put the price closer to $55,000 which I think is okay. The grille still doesn't really appeal to me, but I like the looks of the truck much more in person. I could actually see myself owning one of these trucks, and seeing as my last 5 trucks have been GM that's saying something.

On a side note, the dealer was really nice. I took my Aunt to look at a Ford Edge SUV as I'm the designated car shopper in my family. Nobody else likes to deal with buying cars but I tend to keep things on track. Anyhow, I got to talking about the new Super Duties, and asked about the 2010 models too. They actually encouraged me to wait until June for the new incentives if I was going to consider a 2010 model. They also offered me to come in any time for a test drive and take the 2010 model for an extended test drive any time I wanted, with no expectations. I told him that I was looking for something that was going to get at least the fuel economy of my current truck unloaded on the highway, but woud get better mileage towing and would be a more capable tow vehicle. They said the only way to find out would be to drive it a little and see what the fuel usage was like. They also offered to call me when they got a 2011 Super Duty in that wasn't already sold. They said they'd let me test drive that for a while too. I'm actually thinking that if I could sell a couple guns to help make up the difference and sell my current rig at a decent price that I'd consider one of these trucks. Obviously my wife would have to like riding in the truck nearly as much as my current one too, but for highway riding there probably wouldn't be a huge difference and the cab and interior is at least as spacious as my current ride. Anyhow, I was very impressed with the new Fords and with the Ford dealer too.

Sounds like you stumbled on a good dealer. The one thing I would consider strongly is the F-350 SRW. Also make them go over the differences in GVWR packages that Ford has. Unlike GM with only 3 packages, 2500, 3500SRW, and 3500 Dually Ford has something like 13 different packages making a big difference in the way they handle snow plows, beds full of stuff, or heavy trailers.

Chris

 

[Lt CHEG]

Sounds like you stumbled on a good dealer. The one thing I would consider strongly is the F-350 SRW. Also make them go over the differences in GVWR packages that Ford has. Unlike GM with only 3 packages, 2500, 3500SRW, and 3500 Dually Ford has something like 13 different packages making a big difference in the way they handle snow plows, beds full of stuff, or heavy trailers.

Chris

This is definitely a good dealer. My family has purchased from them before and they've always treated us well, it's just that until recently Ford hasn't made anything that really appealed to us. I may have some extra time on Tuesday and if so I'll probably go for a test ride. In reality I'll probably be hanging onto my current truck, since I just don't know that I can justify something else at this point. BUT if I can come up with a little extra cash (all normal extra cash is going towards the new house, so I'd have to use fun money and probably sell an item or two) and sell my truck for a reasonable amount I might be able to justify the upgrade if the monthly payments stay the same.

Looking at the brochure, I definitely see what you mean about the different GVWR's Chris. I know I'd be looking at the diesel with the tallest gears possible for the best unloaded fuel economy. I'll gladly sacrifice towing performance and road speed and acceleration under load for better fuel economy. Since any heavy towing would be close by and off highway, I can live with taking a little longer to get up to speed. Plus the vast majority of towing would be with a 2 place snowmobile trailer weighing in at a whopping 2200 pounds, so gearing will make no difference when towing that load. As for the F350, I don't think I would go up to a 1 ton even if they were less money. Ride quality is more important than anything else and I'd be afraid a 1 ton would be just that much stiffer unloaded in the rear. Plus I have no intentions of ever putting a snow plow on the truck, but if I ever did the biggest I would put on would be an 8 footer. Around here the roads just get too narrow in some spots during big storms and anything bigger than 8 foot is more of a hindrance than a help. I've always plowed with a 7 and a half footer and found it to be about perfect, so I think I'd be covered there too. Who knows, I'll probably test whatever is on the lot and if the 350 rides the same as a 250, maybe I'd go for the extra. The other thing is that the 350 might only be able to be registered with commercial plates whereas the 250 could likely still be registered with passenger plates. I prefer to register my pickups as passenger vehicles for cost and insurance purposes, plus I can drive them on Parkways too whereas Parkways are off limits to commercial vehicles. I am appreciative for the advise and input though and will definitely keep everyone advised.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Man, I am glad I live in the Mid West and not NY with all the crazy laws about registration. We can register anything as a passenger vehicle. Try the F-350. My F-350 has a GVWR of 11,500# and rides just as well as my F-250 that has a GVWR of 10,000# but is much more truck. The suspension is about the same but hits a set of stiffer springs as load is applied.

Now if you are just towing loads that light why the diesel? You could get by with a Ranger.

Chris