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[SpaldingTractors]

Perfect example of what I did and didn't buy a Refurbished tracter that was on the lot also. For almost Half the price. And after the dealer seen it on here and the paperwork and reciepts we was going over Stated Dang I sold that to you way to Cheap I believe he forgot the 650.00 ROP's that wasn't on there also.:laughing:

OK looks like I need to say something.For some reason careyo wants to make a point
about UTDA tractors not being worth the extra money, That's his opionion and he has every right to make it. The tractor he bought from me several years ago from me was not
a UTDA tractor OK .But if I remember It wasn't in to good of shape,I may be wrong but seems like he said he had to do alot of work on it, I may be wrong its been a long time ago. I just don't remember.
Now, I was buying Fredricks tractors a long time before UTDA started. Tom had the best product on the market at that time (in my mind) and I still believe that today.
It makes it better if you can get tractors and parts from one source.
I have always tried to sell quality products so I don't have any comebacks.
I don't like problems and do my best not to have any.I don't have anyone mad at me
that I know about.
To me the UTDA tractors are a blessing. I sell them knowing I won't have problems
Yes they cost me more money than the VC tractors, but I have been down that road.
I have found if you sell good stuff at a fair price you will do OK. But if you don't make it you
can say you gave it your best shot.
have a blessed day
Steve

 

[kenmac]

quote "If they bought the tractors for $5.00 and sold them for $200 it's OK with me."

Kenmac, that doesn't seem right to me. While I agree business must make profit I think you are talking greed here. Probably not any Yanmar dealers out there thinking this way, at least I hope not. It wouldn't be OK with me if they were.

Well, maybe that's a little extreme but, I was just trying to make a point. They have set their profits where they can sell tractors & still stay in business. Is that better ?? When you find/buy a tractor from a dealer that is going to give you good support & both of you agree on price. Don't worry about what the dealer has invested in the tractor. If you don't think it's a good buy , then don't buy it.. It's that simple

 

[mus302]

Well, maybe that's a little extreme but, I was just trying to make a point. They have set their profits where they can sell tractors & still stay in business. Is that better ?? When you find/buy a tractor from a dealer that is going to give you good support & both of you agree on price. Don't worry about what the dealer has invested in the tractor. If you don't think it's a good buy , then don't buy it.. It's that simple

I agree with this. Profit margin is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether the product is within a price range that I am willing to pay.

 

[GaPawn]

I agree with this. Profit margin is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether the product is within a price range that I am willing to pay.

I would love for a dealer to make 1,000,000% profit and still be able to offer a product to me at a price I consider to be a good deal. I want a dealer to stay in business forever, and the only way that is going to happen is if he is making a healthy profit.

If, on the other hand, he is gouging his customers, or is paying too much for his product and can't make a good enough profit off of it, he won't stay in business long.

Personally I prefer the guys I buy from to stick around so I can continue to buy from them.... :thumbsup:

 

[Smoody]

The problem is you can EASILY buy a 10 yr old kubota, Massey, or Deere with more horespower and FEL loader for the price of a 30 yr old Yanmar now. I can't swallow the markup.

Good example, recent inquiry on a 2610 2WD with Koyker loader, UTDA cert, etc, $10,200....NEVER in a million years would I pay that, they probably bought the thing for $2500 or less.

Profit and greed as mentioned are two separate things.

Why are some tractor dealers choosing to go with a grey market yanmar to sell vs. selling used US branded machines?

Answer: They can buy them for a few thousand and mark them up ALOT...its not hard to see what's going on. don't get this twisted as me thinking they should sell them at cost, its not what im saying at all.

But the same ones who wish to recondition in the USA try to make it a NEW yanmar = inflated prices will be the same ones that ruin this market in the future when it cost MORE to buy a yanmar them a US brand.

pricing yanmars at the same price point as used US branded machines defeats the whole purpose of why the first dealers started importing yanmars years ago, LOW COST QUALITY TRACTOR, because now they are not deals anymore, your not saving money and the US branded machines will have a higher resale value if you needed to sale, so why buy a yanmar now?

 

[clemsonfor]

well said smoody i said a similar thing a page or so back as well , maybe not as fluently though.

 

[YanmarFever]

Alright...... since this boring debate needs some fresh blood injected into it
how are my prices ??

Used Yanmar tractors, New Mahindra tractors, New Branson Tractors from Ernie's Imports Inc

 

[Smoody]

Alright...... since this boring debate needs some fresh blood injected into it
how are my prices ??

Used Yanmar tractors, New Mahindra tractors, New Branson Tractors from Ernie's Imports Inc

Depends on who you are asking...this debate may be boring but its the truth.

 

[mus302]

Profit and greed as mentioned are two separate things.

Let me amend what I said earlier. Profit and greed are irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether the product is within a price range that I am willing to pay.

 

[Smoody]

Let me amend what I said earlier. Profit and greed are irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether the product is within a price range that I am willing to pay.

Well are you willing to pay the current prices throughout the country on these?

 

[GaPawn]

....<snip>
pricing yanmars at the same price point as used US branded machines defeats the whole purpose of why the first dealers started importing yanmars years ago, LOW COST QUALITY TRACTOR, because now they are not deals anymore, your not saving money and the US branded machines will have a higher resale value if you needed to sale, so why buy a yanmar now?

If they are trying to make too big a profit, they won't sell any and go out of business.

Alright...... since this boring debate needs some fresh blood injected into it
how are my prices ??

Used Yanmar tractors, New Mahindra tractors, New Branson Tractors from Ernie's Imports Inc

I cannot afford nor justify putting that much money in a tractor that nice, but then, I am pretty durn broke and a pawnbroker to boot. They look like a good deal for someone that can afford them....

I bought a rough as a cobb YM 1300 with a finish mower and a few weenie implements for ~$1200~ thru my shop. There are as many buying philosophies and requirements as there are tractor owners.

I would LOVE to be able to fork out the $$$ for one of Earnie's tractors, I am sure many people do. If not, he'll either change the way he does business, or he'll go under. Personally, I hope he makes a fortune and retires at an early age! If not, he has only himself to blame.

BUT, it is HIS choice as to how he goes to market and I won't EVER throw rocks at a man for trying his best to succeed in an economy such as this. If he could make more money selling junky YM 1300's for $2000 (hey, I may have paid $1200 for it, but a man's gotta make a profit) I'm willing to bet he'd be doing exactly that.....

If ya don't like the way folks go to market, and ya think there is a better way to do it, the best answer is to open your own shop and put them out of business. Then you'll be the rich one and they'll be working for you!

I do what I do, and let others do what they do. If we can do business together, GREAT! If not, then I wish them the best of luck and hope they prosper! :thumbsup:

 

[kenmac]

The problem is you can EASILY buy a 10 yr old kubota, Massey, or Deere with more horespower and FEL loader for the price of a 30 yr old Yanmar now. I can't swallow the markup.

Good example, recent inquiry on a 2610 2WD with Koyker loader, UTDA cert, etc, $10,200....NEVER in a million years would I pay that, they probably bought the thing for $2500 or less.

Smoody, If a 10 yr old kubota,massey, deere, etc, is what you want . Then by all means go buy it. In the the years I've been on this board, I can't recall anyone complaining about what the yanmar dealers are selling their tractors for vs what they may have paid for them or how much profit they may or may not be making off the yanmar tractors. I looked around & didn't want to pay 15k for a tractor so, I bought a 30 yr old yanmar. I never asked the dealer what he paid for the tractor or how much profit he was making off of the tractor. I never thought that I was being ripped off.

 

[mus302]

Well are you willing to pay the current prices throughout the country on these?

If I were to make the tractor work a larger part of my business then yes I would. Dealer support means more than price under those circumstances.

 

[Smoody]

Smoody, If a 10 yr old kubota,massey, deere, etc, is what you want . Then by all means go buy it. In the the years I've been on this board, I can't recall anyone complaining about what the yanmar dealers are selling their tractors for vs what they may have paid for them or how much profit they may or may not be making off the yanmar tractors. I looked around & didn't want to pay 15k for a tractor so, I bought a 30 yr old yanmar. I never asked the dealer what he paid for the tractor or how much profit he was making off of the tractor. I never thought that I was being ripped off.

You for some reason still can't get the point, I just hate to see the yanmars get priced out of our market and go away, is that to hard to understand?

Its not about the dealers, its about the brand for me, they can charge as they wish like they do, if people are buying them then by all means sell them, I would.

So you can't see spending 15k for a tractor that is brand new with 0
% financing and a 3 yr warranty over a 30yr old YM2610 w/FEL and 1 yr warranty for 11k?

thats a no brainer.

Anyway I made my point so take it for what its worth...

 

[bruce1966us]

So you can't see spending 15k for a tractor that is brand new with 0
% financing and a 3 yr warranty over a 30yr old YM2610 w/FEL and 1 yr warranty for 11k?

...

I like to walk the fence but I understand this point.

 

[kenmac]

So you can't see spending 15k for a tractor that is brand new with 0
% financing and a 3 yr warranty over a 30yr old YM2610 w/FEL and 1 yr warranty for 11k?

thats a no brainer.

Well, I just don't finance..... You must not get my point...You seem to be the only 1 worried about this. If their prices are too high, They won't sell & prices will adjust or they will no longer sell. It's that simple. I don't worry about they buy it for or what I pay them for it. It was a good buy for me & obviously alot of others or we wouldn't have bought

This thread is going no where

have a good evening

 

[Smoody]

Well, I just don't finance..... You must not get my point...You seem to be the only 1 worried about this. If their prices are too high, They won't sell & prices will adjust or they will no longer sell. It's that simple. I don't worry about they buy it for or what I pay them for it. It was a good buy for me & obviously alot of others or we wouldn't have bought

This thread is going no where

have a good evening

If we had more consumers like you we all would be rich, fact is MOST people do care about price, and MOST people do have to finance, consider yourself lucky.

You must have given a lot for your Yanmar to be all bent out of shape about me stating an opinion.

 

[YanmarFever]

You for some reason still can't get the point, I just to see the yanmars get priced out of our market and go away, is that to hard to understand?

Its not about the dealers, its about the brand for me, they can charge as they wish like they do, if people are buying them then by all means sell them, I would.

So you can't see spending 15k for a tractor that is brand new with 0
% financing and a 3 yr warranty over a 30yr old YM2610 w/FEL and 1 yr warranty for 11k?

thats a no brainer.

Anyway I made my point so take it for what its worth...

Smoody, I dont know anyone selling 2610s for 11k, thats an outrageous price. We would sell a 2610-D 4x4 in primo condition with a new koyker 140 loader for around $8900 tops.
Heck the way the economy is going you could buy a deere for 11k.

So.... lets bring this down to earth, cause I dont know of anybody selling them for 11k, if you do, lets name some names heh?

We have been selling Yanmars since the 90s, and members of the old Yanmar club on Yahoo before it merged with TBN, and we plan on staying around a lot longer too. (Lord willing).
In other words, we have seen dealers come & go.

But 11k is really off the charts.

 

[bruce1966us]

Hey Ernie. Hope all is good out there. That old Yahoo club has been years ago....

 

[YanmarFever]

Bruce , I to admit my age, but yes that was a long time ago!:thumbsup:
Since then, parts are whole lot easier to buy rather then going to Japan for them.
You can even buy a ring & pinion now days

I have so many old memories from the old days, what ever happened to Roger Scotty, or LB Brown who started the Yanmar club?

Well gotta go, the lovely wife is calling