Feedback on new Dell Laptop with Ubuntu Linux

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After a worse experience with windows with every OS update, I decided that the next time would be something else. Last time was a Toshiba notebook that came with (drum roll) Vista.... ugg uggg puke.... That particular laptop fairly quickly was donated to a needy soul on an unexpected business trip which allowed me to see my dad and mom in South Africa after not having been there since 2002.

Since last year, I have been without a laptop and a few months ago I began what I consider "serious research" into the laptop and Linux combination. I discovered that laptops seem to experience hardware changes faster than some change their underwear, which can be a much bigger problem when compatibility with Linux is considered. Someone actually has to modify the kernel to suit that funky hardware combination and when only a few thousand of those laptops are sold, it may not be considered worth the effort. And unlike a desktop PC, you can't just swap out the dysfunctional video card / lan card, wireless adapter or whatever.

So by hook and by crook, I discovered that Dell has started selling some of their laptops "out the box" with Ubuntu Linux. If you go to Dell.com, you would be hard pressed to find the word Linux anywhere. It's almost a secret. Somewhere deep in the fine print I found a link regarding "open source PC's" http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=anavml

That took me to the page where they list their Ubuntu based products. A very nice feature of their store is that they allow many key components to be configured, including most important to me, the BATTERY. I paid an additional ~$50 or so to get a 9 cell battery that will run the laptop for 6-7 hours, not just 2-2.5. Yeehahhh ! The one I configured cost about $600 + shipping and is basically the the N15 with 4gb memory, 250gb hdd and the mother battery.

So how do I like it ? Fabulous ! Starts up in about 20 seconds. Shuts down in about 10. Comes with open office and Mozilla Firefox browser. First application I added is called Wine (like the drink). It is a non windows XP emulation environment. With wine installed, I was able to install MS Office 2007, which I bought earlier this year through a "corporate" deal at a cost of $10. Everything in office works just like before including VB scripts and the like. So now I get to use the windows products I like (Excel, Powerpoint etc) without ever dealing with their sucky operating system ever again.

The "no script" plugin to firefox is the best thing since the day they invented the internet. Makes those dancing ads and the google banner trash disappear like they were never there and the site downloads faster if not downloading all that junk too.

So to those of you on the fence, consider Ubuntu or one of the other Linux distributions. If you have a desktop, migration is safer, since there are more ways to resolve any potential hardware issues. If you know how, create a seperate partition to boot from and try it out. There are some applications like the high end CAD systems that do not yet support linux, but for the things most of us do, and a lot of the heavyweight scientific applications, Linux is good to go.
 
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But now you won't buy virus or spyware protection, so you won't be helping the economy.. hehe

I can say I've never, after all the years I've been running linux desktops and servers, run office on wine. I'll give it a go.. Though I'm generally happy with openoffice.
 
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you might be interested in looking at the Ubuntu repositories...this is where you will find all the free software that is available for the Ubuntu distribution...


package managers ("package"=software)
look into learning to use "apt-get" it is a command line interface that does three things...it searches , finds and installs the software in a snap...(no re-booting after installs either)

There are also graphic user interfaces that will do the same thing if you are uncomfortable with the CLI...
 
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I bought a refurbished gateway to try vista. Bad OS on a dead cow. This summer, jumped to all MAC stuff. Worked a lot with UNIX back in the late 70's and early 80's. Have parallels on the MAC for the few Windoze programs I must run (PCB layout and FPGA design). Parallels doesn't do 64 bit Ubantu, they claim to be working on it. MAC tower with the big screens is great environment.

Next day job project will be netBSD UNIX based. Scheduler is better than Linux for real time. BSD knows how to run linux binaries, so it's not a shut-out. Instead of spinning the processor board, will use the Mini ITX format with Atom processor. Can by cheap than can build.

My take on all this is that Windoze reached a level of complexity where it was no less complex than Linux. Windoze still has far more bugs than any of the Unix variants. Windoze is also far less efficient/needs more resources than Unix. And between the volume/number of systems, and the bad code, it's a magnet for the bad guys to hack. So it makes sense to jump ship. I think the biggest thing keeping Microsquash alive is that in the business world no one ever got sacked for specifying Windows.

Pete
 
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Next day job project will be netBSD UNIX based. Scheduler is better than Linux for real time. BSD knows how to run linux binaries, so it's not a shut-out. Instead of spinning the processor board, will use the Mini ITX format with Atom processor.

I've got a beagleboard (ARM cortex 8 cpu) running linux in the lab at work. Typing this from Ubuntu linux running on AMD64. What are you doing that requires real time?
 
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I partitioned my Toshiba to dual boot Vista and Ubuntu - still working the kinks out of the Ubuntu for running some of my hardware. (it can't see my modem, and nothing I've tried works for that - also some issues with the wireless internet)
 
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I run Ubuntu on some of my machines and I love it. Wireless cards are a bit of a crap shoot, but then again they are cheaper than any MS product.
 
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If you are having problems with wireless adapters running on Linux you might want to look into "ndiswrappers" SourceForge.net: ndiswrapper

on a bit of a tangent...there are several other Linux distros that are much better than Ubuntu for hardware compatribility...most of which are available as "Live CDs" that let you boot to the CD (without disturbing your current o/s configuration) and let you see how much of your hardware is recognized...the "Live CDs" let you check out the distribution without installing anything to the hard drive...one very good distro is 'Simply Mepis' another is 'PCLinuxOS'
 
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@piller: I've been working on home automation since 2000. Current platform is Freescale 5282 running a multi-tasking OS. 8M ram, 16M flash and every improvement and new features just east up resources. Also need to make everything open. An example: Have a logging and plotting task. Apple's Safari web browser doesn't do bitmaps. It does .gif, which is a compressed bitmap and all gifs turn into bitmaps during rendering, so this is a silly Apple political decision. If I was running a UNIX varient, the fix would be to grab a standard graphics library and convert to some other user specified format to put a plot (like temperature or energy use) up via a browser. When you touch the library, you suck up 750K of stuff and need more cpu cycles.

The whole system is event driven, can handle hundreds of IO and internal variables, and needs 10 mS response times. So it's a build/buy on the processor, and I'm tired of building. If you want to know more, we can email as I could type all day on this topic.

/pine is right on just getting a DVD set and going that way as a good way to get going. Now if only parallels could hack the 64 bit variants...

Pete
 
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A question for those of you with knowledge greater than mine and familiarity with Ubuntu.....how do you run Access-based databases? A good bit of my work is spreadsheet or document based, and OpenOffice will work fine, but it does not play well (or at all, actually) with Access, and significant part of what I do is with Access-based databases. I would love to abandon windows and MS Office, but for my need for the databases. Thanks for any help.

Additionally....I do some minor audio file editing for church (currently using wavepad), and very minor graphics editing (MS photo editor has been adequate for this), as well as ripping a lot of tracks from CDs we record, and then burning CDs from accumulated files (media player does this to our needs). Can I get all this done with software available in or on Ubuntu?

Will my Quickbooks run on Ubuntu?
 
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I'm no expert by any means, but access databases could probably be migrated to MySQL. Access is primarily intended to be a database "front end" or GUI and of course they had to throw in a crappy database so the users have something to work with. MySQL seems to be a pretty robust database, but I'm not sure what the opensource equivalent to Access is (that helps you with forms, reports, queries and the like).

Edit: This came up on a google search: http://www.osalt.com/access

I suspect that quickbooks may run under WINE (XP emulation environment) which is an Ubuntu application. Supposed to be an abbreviation for "Wine is not another Emulator"

A question for those of you with knowledge greater than mine and familiarity with Ubuntu.....how do you run Access-based databases? A good bit of my work is spreadsheet or document based, and OpenOffice will work fine, but it does not play well (or at all, actually) with Access, and significant part of what I do is with Access-based databases. I would love to abandon windows and MS Office, but for my need for the databases. Thanks for any help.

Additionally....I do some minor audio file editing for church (currently using wavepad), and very minor graphics editing (MS photo editor has been adequate for this), as well as ripping a lot of tracks from CDs we record, and then burning CDs from accumulated files (media player does this to our needs). Can I get all this done with software available in or on Ubuntu?

Will my Quickbooks run on Ubuntu?
 
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Thank you.
 
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I haven't done any graphics editing in Ubuntu, but I use Audacity for editing church sermons every week. Audacity will allow you to edit and save audio files in several different formats. Stable and easy to use. It runs in Ubuntu fine.

I use a variation of Ubuntu called ArtistX ArtistX - eXtra ordinary art tools . You might want to take a look at the graphics programs that come with the ArtistX distribution. I bought the ArtistX package on DVD from On-Disk.com so I wouldn't have to spend a lot of time downloading software packages. I think it was only something like $6.00. For disk burning, it comes with a program called KDE that works fine. We rip tracks and put them in the order we need them on a single CD all the time.

I don't know if quickbooks will work in Ubuntu using wine. You could try it and see. You can download the Artist X distribution for free, but to me it made more sense just to buy the DVD because it's so cheap and fast to install.
 
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A question for those of you with knowledge greater than mine and familiarity with Ubuntu.....how do you run Access-based databases? A good bit of my work is spreadsheet or document based, and OpenOffice will work fine, but it does not play well (or at all, actually) with Access, and significant part of what I do is with Access-based databases. I would love to abandon windows and MS Office, but for my need for the databases. Thanks for any help.

Additionally....I do some minor audio file editing for church (currently using wavepad), and very minor graphics editing (MS photo editor has been adequate for this), as well as ripping a lot of tracks from CDs we record, and then burning CDs from accumulated files (media player does this to our needs). Can I get all this done with software available in or on Ubuntu?

Will my Quickbooks run on Ubuntu?

It seems that many people are locked in to Windows because of one or two apps :(

As for Access, I believe that the MySQL Migration Toolkit will do what you want. You can do all the audio and graphics stuff using free open source apps on linux. I don't know about Quickbooks.
 
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You have to be careful with Access migrations. You may have code calls that only Windows can understand in some of your queries or forms. Then you have to figure out what your actually moving to another database platform. Is it just data? Or is it the forms and data?

Think of it this way, you can move the data... but how do you get to it?
 
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...but access databases could probably be migrated to MySQL...

All you have to do is export your Access Databases or Excel spread sheets and "import" them directly into MYSQL...

If anyone needs help getting MYSQL up and running as well as an easy to use front end just post a request or PM me...

As for running Access on Windows you may be able to install it under 'WINE'
 
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I would encourage anyone thinking about maybe trying Ubuntu to go ahead and take the plunge. You can pop it in your DVD drive and run it off the drive without even installing it just to give it a try without messing up your system. If you decide to install it, the installation is quick and simple and does not take long at all. It's really ideal on an older PC that doesn't have an OS on it for whatever reason.

The downside to it is that getting printers to work is it's not automatic like XP. Some commands have to be entered in the system, and you need to check the particular Ubuntu distribution you're using to figure out if your printer will work with that particular distribution.

The reason I suggested ArtistX for LMTC is that ArtistX is that it is arts and graphics oriented. I use it for audio, but the package includes arts and graphics software plus a lot of other software.
 
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You have to be careful with Access migrations. You may have code calls that only Windows can understand in some of your queries or forms. Then you have to figure out what your actually moving to another database platform. Is it just data? Or is it the forms and data?

Think of it this way, you can move the data... but how do you get to it?
It is definitely more than just the data....I have lots of reports and forms in my primary databases, and it is these forms that make the db worthwhile. Pastor has all his ministry teams, etc. in communication groups so that a single letter goes to all soundroom workers, etc. Also offerings, annual reports, lots of things that I've built over the years that simplify many otherwise cumbersome tasks, so long as we keep the data current. Same for my business.....lots of output from the primary db, and I'd really struggle without it. I learned Access, and I'm not sure my skills are adequate to make the jump to another database format. Otherwise, I'd love to walk out on windows and office, as I know they are hogs, as well as having other weak points.
 
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Think of it this way, you can move the data... but how do you get to it?

do some searching on "exporting Accesss to SQL"...you can export data and structure to SQL (Structured Query Language)...it (SQL) will import to just about any relational DB platform...

To access the data simply run query...there are som very user friendly GUIs for MYSQL etc...
 
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do some searching on "exporting Accesss to SQL"...you can export data and structure to SQL (Structured Query Language)...it (SQL) will import to just about any relational DB platform...

To access the data simply run query...there are som very user friendly GUIs for MYSQL etc...

Yes, moving data is the easy part. But you make it sound like all you have to do is that.
If his forms have code calls for Windows specific functions like DAO for recordsets, or his reports have queries running certain expressions, he is broke.

Is he going to run his old Access forms to get at his new SQL data? Or is he going to dive into the world of HTML?

I'd google "upsizing a MS Access database", lots of info on the MicroSquash support site on this too.

It can be done, but you need a good sense of what will not "upsize" and what your end-goal is.
 

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