Oil & Fuel Off Road Diesel Fuel

[rawaits]

what is preferable in diesel tractors? Off road diesel fuel or the kind available everywhere (at more cost)? thanks, rick

 

[Duffster]

It is the same thing

 

[Wis Bang]

It is the same thing

The difference in price is the road taxes. They made 'em dye the off road fuel so truckers couldn't beat the taxes; big fine to be caught on the highway w/ dyed fuel

 

[thatguy]

Depending on where you live (wink wink fill out your profile some more), you may be able to apply for a refund for road/undyed (taxed) diesel that is used for an untaxed (off road) purpose..

Here in VA the state tax is $0.175/gal and I think you get most (possibly less $0.01) back..You do have to buy atleast 5 gallons or more.

Unless you are using A LOT of fuel, and have a supplier close by, I wouldnt go out of my way to find untaxed fuel.. I would just buy from a supplier that has a pretty good turn over in inventory so you know the fuel is fresh..

Brian

 

[LBrown59]

what is preferable in diesel tractors?
* Off road diesel fuel or the kind available everywhere (at more cost)? thanks, rick

There is no such thing as on road VS off road around here, only taxed or tax free.

I get 55 gallon tax free for this delivered free .

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Don't know this for a fact, but I was told by a guy that was busted for having red die diesel in his pick up that the fine was $1000 per gallon of capacity of the vehicle. He had 2 tanks on his truck and was able to talk the fine down to what one of the tanks would hold. 19 gallons = 19k It is common around here that these guys with the 100 gallon tanks in the beds of there trucks for refueling their construction tractors, fuel their trucks with it also, not real smart.

Oh, and here in Calif. the savings in off road vs on road is about 30 some cents per gallon.

 

[CurlyDave]

We have at least one local station that gives an off-road discount for diesel put into a container other than the tank of you truck if you ask for it. Last time I got diesel it was about 30 cents per gallon tax refund. Not quite as low a price as real off-road diesel, but a lot more convenient.

Best of all, it is the non-dyed on-road diesel you get, straight from the same pump as anyone else...

 

[kebo]

I've always thought there was a difference between the on road diesel and the off road stuff?? The off road has sulfur in it, but the on road has most (if not all) sulfur removed from it? Otherwise, why have the two different grades to start with??

A JD dealer I've bought stuff from before says to use the off road because the sulfur helps to lubricate the engine better. Can anyone back that up????

 

[Duffster]

I've always thought there was a difference between the on road diesel and the off road stuff?? The off road has sulfur in it, but the on road has most (if not all) sulfur removed from it? Otherwise, why have the two different grades to start with??

A JD dealer I've bought stuff from before says to use the off road because the sulfur helps to lubricate the engine better. Can anyone back that up????

It's not two different grades

It is possible for off road to be LSD but after the end of the year it will all be ULSD

 

[MtnViewRanch]

In Calif. the difference is no road tax and it is dyed red. The actual fuel is the same as far as I know.

 

[jnjpream]

It is common around here that these guys with the 100 gallon tanks in the beds of there trucks for refueling their construction tractors, fuel their trucks with it also, not real smart.

I wonder if any of these guys have tapped the equipment tanks on the bottom and routed around their truck tanks. Burn the dyed fuel from the equipment tank, and leave some regular fuel in the truck tank just in case you get dipped.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I wonder if any of these guys have tapped the equipment tanks on the bottom and routed around their truck tanks. Burn the dyed fuel from the equipment tank, and leave some regular fuel in the truck tank just in case you get dipped.

I have no doubt that some have. If they are driving hundreds of miles every day, that can add up. But then they would be burning the fuel that they need for their machine. I guess if they were making several fuel stops each day that it would be easy to do.

 

[Redneck in training]

I wonder if any of these guys have tapped the equipment tanks on the bottom and routed around their truck tanks. Burn the dyed fuel from the equipment tank, and leave some regular fuel in the truck tank just in case you get dipped.

It does't work. When suspected they cut your fuel filter. If it is red you are busted. If you used taxfree fuel even once change your fuel filter.

 

[spruce Deere]

what is preferable in diesel tractors? Off road diesel fuel or the kind available everywhere (at more cost)? thanks, rick

All gunna be the same stuff everywhere inevitably. I prefer cheaper off-road stuff because well, its cheaper!

 

[Russelln]

In Calif. the difference is no road tax and it is dyed red. The actual fuel is the same as far as I know.

You are absolutely correct about fuel tax here in California.

 

[Skyco]

A JD dealer I've bought stuff from before says to use the off road because the sulfur helps to lubricate the engine better. Can anyone back that up????

A common misconception is sulfur is the lube. Not true. Some of the compounds that boost lubricity are inadvertantly removed in the process of removing the sulfur in modern fuels.

Wonder if the dealer at 378/I20 told you that? I argued with the parts guys once about Fluid Film....they said they have never carried it even though I used to buy it there I now buy it elswhere.

 

[thatguy]

Don't know this for a fact, but I was told by a guy that was busted for having red die diesel in his pick up that the fine was $1000 per gallon of capacity of the vehicle. He had 2 tanks on his truck and was able to talk the fine down to what one of the tanks would hold. 19 gallons = 19k It is common around here that these guys with the 100 gallon tanks in the beds of there trucks for refueling their construction tractors, fuel their trucks with it also, not real smart.

Oh, and here in Calif. the savings in off road vs on road is about 30 some cents per gallon.

IRS penalties (which here in VA we mirror) is $10/gal tank size with a 100 gallon minimum. So whether you have a 10 gallon tank or 99 gallon tank it will cost you $1,000 - PLUS they add the appropriate tax back onto the gallons..

They will also go back to the storage tank you pulled the fuel from (assuming it was your own bulk tank) and access for that tank capacity as well...

Brian

 

[thatguy]

I've always thought there was a difference between the on road diesel and the off road stuff?? The off road has sulfur in it, but the on road has most (if not all) sulfur removed from it? Otherwise, why have the two different grades to start with??

A JD dealer I've bought stuff from before says to use the off road because the sulfur helps to lubricate the engine better. Can anyone back that up????

years back it was two different spec'd fuels.. But now everything is slowly migrating to ULSD and the difference would be whether it was taxed (clear = no dye) OR untaxed (dyed).

Depending on where you live you may or may not be able to find the higher sulfur fuels, at least for the short term.

Brian

 

[LBrown59]

The difference in price is the road taxes. They made 'em dye the off road fuel so truckers couldn't beat the taxes; *big fine to be caught on the highway w/ dyed fuel

* true enough.

1*Unless you are using A LOT of fuel, and have a supplier close by, I wouldn't go out of my way to find untaxed fuel.. I would just buy from a supplier that has a pretty good turn over in inventory so you know the fuel is fresh.
Brian

1*It don't take a lot of fuel to justify either one of these set ups or to make them worth while nor does the supplier have to be close by..

*We have at least one local station that gives an off-road discount for diesel put into a container other than the tank of you truck if you ask for it. Last time I got diesel it was about 30 cents per gallon tax refund. Not quite as low a price as real off-road diesel, but a lot more convenient.
Best of all, it is the non-dyed on-road diesel you get, straight from the same pump as anyone else...

*You should be able to do this at any station .

1*I've always thought there was a difference between the on road diesel and the off road stuff??
2*The off road has sulfur in it, but the on road has most (if not all) sulfur removed from it?
Otherwise,
3*why have the two different grades to start with??
4*A JD dealer I've bought stuff from before says to use the off road because the sulfur helps to lubricate the engine better. Can anyone back that up????

1* A lot of people have bought into the myth.
2*Yesterday perhaps -today probably not.
3*There was never any point in that.
4*What sulfur/besides sulfur is not a lubricant.Another part of the old wives tale.

1*It's not two different grades
2*It is possible for off road to be LSD but after the end of the year it will all be ULSD

1*Exactly
2*Exactly

In Calif. the difference is no road tax and it is dyed red. The actual fuel is the same as far as I know.

Right on.

It does't work. When suspected they cut your fuel filter. If it is red you are busted. If you used taxfree fuel even once change your fuel filter.

Who pays for your new fuel filter installing it and the tow and repair bill.

***All gunna be the same stuff everywhere inevitably. I prefer cheaper off-road stuff because well, its cheaper!

***I believe we're much much closer to that point than most folks realize.

IRS penalties (which here in VA we mirror) is $10/gal tank size with a 100 gallon minimum. So whether you have a 10 gallon tank or 99 gallon tank it will cost you $1,000 - PLUS they add the appropriate tax back onto the gallons..

They will also go back to the storage tank you pulled the fuel from (assuming it was your own bulk tank) and access for that tank capacity as well...

Brian

This royally sucks considering it's not against the law to have red fuel in such a tank.

years back it was two different spec'd fuels..
**But now everything is slowly migrating to ULSD and the difference would be whether it was taxed (clear = no dye) OR untaxed (dyed) .
***Depending on where you live you may or may not be able to find the higher sulfur fuels, at least for the short term. Brian

**More like rapidly IMHO.
***Depending on where you live you probably will not be able to find the higher sulfur fuels, and it will likely be that way for the long term.

 

[Midsouth]

LSD Diesel should be just about gone from all locations by now. If i remember right the date for the complete change over to ULSD is 2010.