New Mahindra Trucks

/ New Mahindra Trucks #41  
I like the hinged bed sides that let you turn the bed into a flatbed. I saw a lot of those in Korea and China. Very practical, if not quite so pretty. I see that little Alpha has them too. Seldom see this on U.S. trucks of any kind. I think even the off-road only japanese gray market mini-trucks also have the hinged sides.

I don't see Mahindra selling many at mid 20's prices. If someone is going to take a risk on an untried brand, they are going to expect to save some money. Payload and style will not over come this.
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #42  
I like the hinged bed sides that let you turn the bed into a flatbed. I saw a lot of those in Korea and China. Very practical, if not quite so pretty.

Pretty much standard here in Europe too. Mercedes could equip their chassis-cabs with an cheap Italian Scattolini flatbed with aluminium hinged sides. for many people good enough. At the trailer builder i used to work, we also built heavy duty flatbeds on these, for scaffold rental companies... Off course in scaffolding business, you dont really find carefull people, (often scum that just came out of jail ;) ) so they wanted heavy durable flatbeds, sometimes with 1" hardwood floors, and tow rings on which you could lift a loaded vehicle off the ground... ;)
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #43  
I'd heard about this coming for almost 2 years now. I haven't bothered to look into it much because it seems to be one of those things you keep hearing about but never see. You know, like the "Chery" Chinese autos that were supposed to be sold here in the 1st quarter of 2008. Anyway, don't forget that Mahindra & Mahindra was who made most of the revered Willy's Jeeps. That is why they are allowed to use the similar grill as a Jeep; they invented that look. Granted, the Willy's Jeeps were built to U.S. specs, but Mahindra & Mahindra had some ability to add their own touch; such as the grill. The original U.S. design was for more of a screen type of grill that would catch more debris. Mahindra & Mahindra argued that the little engines in those Jeeps would overheat at slow speeds (most of their driving) without a pretty open grill design.

I'm not going to sign up and buy one of their first offerings. Based on history, they will have their growing pains here (think Toyota and Honda - that way you won't think I'm slamming the Mahindra pickup) and will have to make significant changes to meet the American wants and needs. I think it will be great to pick one up that is a couple years old and has already lost 60% to 70% of it's original selling price. Again, no knock on their product, just a deduction based on the history of all other manufacturers coming to America.

Actually,

Mahindra didn't make any "Willys" Jeeps. I believe they manufactured Jeeps under license from Willy's after WWII.

If you looked at the numbers, I think FoMoCo made the most Willy's" Jeeps in WWII. DOD liked Wiilys design the best, but realized that their reources were limited for large-scale manufacture. Ford was contracted to build the Willy's design as the Ford GPW. It's said that every piece, right down to a single nut, had the Ford "F" stamped on it, but the parts were all interchangable.

Lunk
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #45  
<snip>would really like my next personal vehicle to have a diesel engine in it.

Like this?
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(My VW TDI, hunting land in Mississippi)

I agree - diesel is the way I prefer to flow.
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #46  
Actually,

Mahindra didn't make any "Willys" Jeeps. I believe they manufactured Jeeps under license from Willy's after WWII.

If you looked at the numbers, I think FoMoCo made the most Willy's" Jeeps in WWII. DOD liked Wiilys design the best, but realized that their reources were limited for large-scale manufacture. Ford was contracted to build the Willy's design as the Ford GPW. It's said that every piece, right down to a single nut, had the Ford "F" stamped on it, but the parts were all interchangable.

Lunk

Go to eBay and search for "Mahindra Jeep". You'll find one for sale now along with info on the history of these jeeps built in India.
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #47  
Go to eBay and search for "Mahindra Jeep". You'll find one for sale now along with info on the history of these jeeps built in India.

Googled it, and found this...

"In the years immediately after World War II, two Indian brothers, J.C. and K.C. Mahindra, started assembling completely knocked-down (CKD) Willys Jeeps that were imported to India from the US. K.C. was a graduate of the famous English University of Oxford, and his brother J.C. had a background in the iron and steel industry. In the early days of their operation, only 10 percent of the components for the Willys Jeeps were sourced in India, but this percentage gradually increased to 17 percent. In the 1950s things really took off for the Mahindra brothers; plans were submitted to the Indian government in 1954 to increase the amount of Indian-manufactured parts and decrease the number of CKD kits imported. The plans were approved, and in April 1955 the company purchased a factory at Bhandup, and gradually the Mahindra Company shifted from assembling CKD Jeeps to license building Jeeps."

Lunk
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #49  
I was several months on a business trip in India about two years ago and had a chance to look at the Mahindra trucks and SUVs. My driver told me that they were pretty good vehicles but had some issues (like flimsy switches and this sort of things). Otherwise the "metal" was supposed to be quite good. The engines were diesels in about 50-60HP range. It seems to me too low for US market.
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #50  
While I love the ideal of a diesel in a mid-size pickup, and I love the payload....I think mid $20k is way off the mark for the market they will attract.....way off.

Right now I can go to a GMC dealership and buy a full size GMC 1/2 ton, 2 door, manual gearbox, V8 gas, posi rear etc, work truck for $18,000 after all the various "deals" are thrown in, and haggling with the saleman. The dealer is 15 minutes away, I can buy any part at the local NAPA, resale value is good, and quality is good. That's the truck I own now...and with the coil over shocks in the back I've carried 2,500 lbs in the back (BP milling machine and tools), and it tows my 23' 7,000 lb gooseneck race trailer.

So I'm thinking they have to get the price down to under $20k to be anywhere close to the price point for their market. It doesn't seem to me that they know their market very well, what with the required auto trans, power windows etc. Both of which I specifically ordered my GMC without. (no AC either).

My GMC has 80,000 miles on it, still has the original starter, battery, exhaust...just about everything except the crappy brakes I've replaced twice (rotors and calipers). Still drives like it's almost new.... so they do have a pretty high bar to meet regardless of the present opinions many people have about US made trucks.
JohnnyB
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #51  
While I love the ideal of a diesel in a mid-size pickup, and I love the payload....I think mid $20k is way off the mark for the market they will attract.....way off.

Right now I can go to a GMC dealership and buy a full size GMC 1/2 ton, 2 door, manual gearbox, V8 gas, posi rear etc, work truck for $18,000 after all the various "deals" are thrown in, and haggling with the saleman. The dealer is 15 minutes away, I can buy any part at the local NAPA, resale value is good, and quality is good. That's the truck I own now...and with the coil over shocks in the back I've carried 2,500 lbs in the back (BP milling machine and tools), and it tows my 23' 7,000 lb gooseneck race trailer.

So I'm thinking they have to get the price down to under $20k to be anywhere close to the price point for their market. It doesn't seem to me that they know their market very well, what with the required auto trans, power windows etc. Both of which I specifically ordered my GMC without. (no AC either).

My GMC has 80,000 miles on it, still has the original starter, battery, exhaust...just about everything except the crappy brakes I've replaced twice (rotors and calipers). Still drives like it's almost new.... so they do have a pretty high bar to meet regardless of the present opinions many people have about US made trucks.
JohnnyB

While you make some valid points, and I do have to agree that maybe 20k seems a little steep for an unknown entity, I think your comparison is not entirely apples to apples. What you need to ask is "How much would that GMC cost if it came with a V6 Duramax?"
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #52  
I can buy a 2 year old Ram 3500 4x4 dually, crew cab, with 47000 miles from my Dodge dealer for $25,500. That is typical of pricing around my area, so the Mahindra comes off as a poor value in my eyes.
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #53  
I can buy a 2 year old Ram 3500 4x4 dually, crew cab, with 47000 miles from my Dodge dealer for $25,500. That is typical of pricing around my area, so the Mahindra comes off as a poor value in my eyes.

I think everything comes off as a poor value compared to this, and I've seen similar deals in our area. It's a great time to buy used.
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #54  
I believe the post about the Willys Jeep is inaccurate. Mahindra did NOT build most of the Jeep Willys, but they were licensed by Willys to build the Jeeps. Jeeps were built under license by many companies around the world. (Jeeps Around the World on The CJ3B Page). Mahindra began by importing Jeeps as Completely Knocked Down units (CKD) and assembling them in 1945.(Mahindra Corporate) Manufacturing of Jeeps began in the 1960s. (Jeeps in India on The CJ3B Page)

Here is a photo of a 1942 Willys, (3 years before Mahindra's involvement), showing the open grill. http://z.about.com/d/trucks/1/0/N/V/42_willys_mb_col.jpg
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #55  
kevanos, Jeeps Around the World is a cool website. Did you build it? Some jeeps were adapted to be used on farms. I didn't see those listed.
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #56  
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Vehicles from India gearing up for U.S. | Business | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
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Vehicles from India gearing up for U.S.
By PURVA PATEL Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle
March 20, 2009, 11:15PM
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Sport utility vehicles and pickup trucks based on the Mahindra Scorpio, like this one on display in Mumbai, are expected to debut in the U.S. this fall. The manufacturer claims the cleaner-burning diesel engine will get 30 miles per gallon.

Share Print Email Del.icio.usDiggTechnoratiYahoo! BuzzFacebookMUMBAI, INDIA Car buyers who walk into Alan Helfmanç—´ Houston dealerships later this year may see more than just Chryslers, Dodges and Jeeps. They might see a Mahindra.

Helfman is among the first dealers planning to sell Indian automaker Mahindra & Mahindraç—´ pickups and SUVs in the U.S.

Americans have bought Indian-made textiles, steel and software.

But will they buy a car made in India? Houston dealer Alan Helfman is betting on it.

的 think people are ready for it, he said. 典here痴 a car from every country here now, so I don稚 think that値l be a big challenge.

Mahindra plans to launch two- and four-door pickups in the U.S. during the fourth quarter, followed by a sport utility vehicle. The company is trying to position itself as a global brand, despite a global recession and slumping auto sales.

å…¸he U.S. itself accounts for more than 50 percent of the worldç—´ market, said P.N. Shah, executive vice president of Mahindraç—´ international operations. çš„f youæ±*e going to be a player in this segment, and you want to be a globally recognized niche player, you have to be in the U.S.

Origins in WWII
Mahindra & Mahindra, which started out making SUVs by building Jeeps for Willys during World War II, last year exported 12,500 vehicles to 25 countries in Europe, Africa, South America, South Asia and the Middle East.

Indiaç—´ largest SUV and tractor maker, Mahindra intends to enter the U.S. market at a daunting time. A recession, slumping auto sales and tight credit market, not to mention a shrinking pickup and SUV market, make for a formidable debut.

Pump prices have dropped as oil fell from $140 highs in July, offering some support to large-car sales. But consumer demand for green cars hasn稚 dropped in tandem, and analysts don稚 expect low gasoline prices to last long.

典hey may not go directly back to $4 a gallon, but we would expect prices to range between $2.50 and $3.50 when the economy comes back and demand comes back in general for fuel, said Jeff Schuster, executive director of forecasting at JD Power. Even if there was a high level of speculation factored into the oil when it sold at $140, it likely won稚 stay down where it is.

Mahindra hopes to ride the green movementç—´ popularity by equipping its vehicles with cleaner burning diesel engines. The vehicles, based on the companyç—´ Scorpio model, will get an estimated 30 miles per gallon. The company is still awaiting environmental certifications from U.S. regulators, so official mileage figures are unavailable.

Auto experts note that if the company meets U.S. emissions standards, including more stringent regulations the Obama administration may soon allow states to impose, it faces financially strapped dealers and more prudent consumers.

Tataç—´ cheap car
India痴 largest automaker, Tata Motors, made international headlines when it launched the world痴 smallest and cheapest car, the $2,500 Nano, designed for the Indian market. But the Mahindra name isn稚 necessarily as well known in the U.S.

鼎onsumers are so conservative in terms of what theyæ±*e buying. Theyæ±*e sticking to brands they know, said Michelle Krebs, editor of Edmunds AutoObserver.com.

The Mahindra name isn稚 completely foreign to American consumers.

The company has made major inroads into the American farm equipment market since 1994. Itç—´ the No. 3 tractor seller in the U.S., with its North American headquarters in Tomball.

From his office in the Mahindra Towers in Mumbai, Shah acknowledges the branding challenges ahead.

He notes Mahindra has invested in extensive market research and partnered with Georgia-based distributor Global Vehicles to be the face of the company in the U.S. A $60 million marketing campaign is in the works.

The recession will create opportunities to operate at lower costs, he said.

展e don稚 need to spend substantive time and money to set up our distribution channel, Shah said, adding he can cherry-pick dealerships in today痴 environment.

$20,000 to $25,000
More than 300 dealers have signed agreements or letters of intent to sell the vehicles, including Helfman, who said he paid a fee of $150,000 for each of the three dealerships where he plans to sell the trucks.

å…¸heyæ±*e very concerned about quality from what others have told me, so I知 pretty fanatic about it, Helfman said.

Helfman expects the trucks to sell in the $20,000 to $25,000 range, though Mahindra hasn稚 released an official sticker price yet.

The companyç—´ Scorpio SUV is popular in India, even in cities, as the appetite for larger cars is growing among the well-heeled.

Itç—´ easy to spot a Scorpio on Mumbaiç—´ notoriously log-jammed streets as it towers above a frenzied jumble of hatchbacks, sedans, mopeds and rickshaws.

Nayan Vora, who owns a tile company in Mumbai, uses his Scorpio to drive his family around the city, where most cars are small hatchbacks or sedans, as well as to travel to his family farm a 100 kilometers away, about 62 miles, once a week.

的t痴 a bigger car and a safer car, Vora said.

å¾¹nce the rural area starts, the roads are pretty bad. There are parts where there are no roads.

While the vehicle is sturdy enough for Vora, he says the ride pales in comparison to the American trucks heç—´ ridden in on visits to New York.

Initially the vehicles will be sent fully built to the U.S. and later sent in parts to be assembled in locations the company has yet to determine.

Mahindra has re-engineered the cars for the U.S., promising a smooth ride and more powerful engine.

More horsepower
The pickups, for instance, will have more horsepower and boast a six-speed automatic transmission and automatic stability control, features that aren稚 standard in India.

的t痴 the size of a Tacoma but has the capability of a Ford 150 or Tundra, said Xavier Beguiristain, a vice president of marketing for Global Vehicles who recently left the company.

展hat youæ±*e seeing in India is not whatç—´ going to be in the U.S. market, but it has the same toughness and ruggedness.
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #58  
Hopefully, they're going to offer stripped down versions. Rubber mats and a manual tranny. I dont know how much i trust Indian automatics and electronics just yet.

Im not interested in a full load boulevard cruiser, just a plane jane compact truck, for a lower price than the current offerings.

IMHO trying to compete with the big boys, with a full load ,"deluxe" truck, when your a relative unknown to the general public isnt a wise strategy. Coming in and really undercutting them on price makes more sense to me.
 
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/ New Mahindra Trucks #59  
Coming in and really undercutting them on price makes more sense to me.

Certainly makes me more willing to try them.
 
/ New Mahindra Trucks #60  
Mahindra SUVs and pickups have pretty good reputation in India. But small things such as switches lights etc were kind of cheap. In example fell out of the dash. I used to have small Tata car while working in India but had a chance to take few rides in the Mahindra SUV. The Indian Mahindra pickup model has only about 60 HP. That is probably useless for pulling anything but small trailer but enough to carry stuff on the bed with great fuel economy.
 

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