selector valve

[yankeerider]

Is there any updates on this valve. I am wanting to use joystick for the FEL for the angle on the snowplow mounted on my FEL. On the wiring couldnt you use 2 switches for the 3 solenoids. If you installed switches for #2 and#3 and connected the wire that energizes these solenoids to solenoid #1, since #1 has to be energized(closed) for #2and #3 to work?
Bill

Not quite. If you simply ran a wire from #2 to #1 and #3 to #1, all 3 solenoids would be energized regardless of which switch you activated. You would need to either activate #1 through a relay, or isolate #2 from #3 by putting diodes in each of the wires to #1.

On edit: you could also do it without relays or diodes if you used DPST switches, using separate poles to emergize the two solenoids.

 

[zimcocomp]

I also want to control power angle from the bucket curl joystick. I am presently using the Myers plow pump and controls from a pickup but this draws too much from the battery since the alternator is much too small. The additional weight is not very desireable either.
I purchased a 6 port selector that the two output ports are controlled by it's own 12 volt solinoid. I got it from Surplus Center. I plan to use a switch that is ormally closed for curl control and momentary for power angle. I will get busy mounting the valve when it gets back above freezing out there. I am going to mount it then measure and order the hoses.

 

[ArTrvlr]

Not quite. If you simply ran a wire from #2 to #1 and #3 to #1, all 3 solenoids would be energized regardless of which switch you activated. You would need to either activate #1 through a relay, or isolate #2 from #3 by putting diodes in each of the wires to #1.

On edit: you could also do it without relays or diodes if you used DPST switches, using separate poles to emergize the two solenoids.

I don't have this valve, but I am thinking about getting one and others already have it, so we need to get the wiring down for all. I think diagrams will help most people the most.

I agree with yankeerider, the first way suggested for wiring with just two switches (SPST) won't work, but I can't figure how you would wire it with two DPST switches either. I drew up this diagram using two SPST momentary push buttons and two relays.



Comments please. Will this work? Why not? Is there a way to do it with only one relay? Does anyone want to show how to do it with diodes? I think I know how to wire it with diodes, but I know zilch about picking the right diode.
jp

 

[6sunset6]

I have this valve, not hooked up yet waiting for fittings and looking hard for a grip with switches. I was going to use 3 switches but the last couple of posts woke me up For sure two double poles would do it. Actually double pole , single throw. means all normally open contacts. 12vdc on one side, solinoid coils on the other .
Case 1 press nothing first set of ports is priority. Valve handle moves first cylinder back and forth.
Case 2 Double pole switch. This means 2 separate switches on the same action in the same housing. one pole closes contacts for the first solinoid . This switches the priority to what ever solinoid is picked next. The second pole closes contacts for the second solinoid. Moving the valve operates the second cylinder
Case 3 Double pole switch wired the same as case 2.

The coils only draw 1.5 amps so the switch contacts are all that is needed.
Thoretically there could be a race condition but just make sure you move the valve handle after you press the switch button.

I am more concerned about what the check valve does in the third port.

 

[ArTrvlr]

I have this valve, not hooked up yet waiting for fittings and looking hard for a grip with switches. I was going to use 3 switches but the last couple of posts woke me up For sure two double poles would do it. Actually double pole , single throw. means all normally open contacts. 12vdc on one side, solinoid coils on the other .
Case 1 press nothing first set of ports is priority. Valve handle moves first cylinder back and forth.
Case 2 Double pole switch. This means 2 separate switches on the same action in the same housing. one pole closes contacts for the first solinoid . This switches the priority to what ever solinoid is picked next. The second pole closes contacts for the second solinoid. Moving the valve operates the second cylinder
Case 3 Double pole switch wired the same as case 2.

The coils only draw 1.5 amps so the switch contacts are all that is needed.
Thoretically there could be a race condition but just make sure you move the valve handle after you press the switch button.

I am more concerned about what the check valve does in the third port.

Duh! I guess I just didn't look at a DPST switch close enough. Every one just ignore my drawing with the relays, unnecessarily complicated. Just use sunset's drawing.

Can the check valve be removed?
jp

 

[6sunset6]

I think the check valve screws right out. Looks like an SAE 8 plug would block it. I am just curious as to what it does. Eventually I will find out.
Mean time I am waiting for fittings and a C & C tilt cylinder . Looking for a grip with two switches that is not gold plated. I was thinking about carving one out of a block of hard maple.

 

[Hooked_on_HP]

Are you going to use on/off switches or momentary.
Bill

 

[6sunset6]

Momentary It is not necessary nor a good idea to keep the coils powered up all the time. If you use alternate action you might forget and leave it on. They only need to be powered up when the hydraulic 4 way is one way or the other. AT 1.5A the switches can be pretty small. I have a couple in my hand. Last night I thought I could take some play do modeling stuff and develop the shape for a gripper. Then it would get hard and I could maybe even use it after boring holes in it , cover with epoxy or use it as a model for carving out something. Not so easy. Turns out it is a preety complex shape that feels good in your hand. On the other hand , the contact is not very long so a simple shape would probably work well. I just got a C & C tilt cylinder very nice. with double checks. I have a top cylinder I have had for 15 years no double checks. I notice it leaks down over night but I don't think that matters while in use.

 

[ArTrvlr]

I think the check valve screws right out. Looks like an SAE 8 plug would block it. I am just curious as to what it does. Eventually I will find out.
Mean time I am waiting for fittings and a C & C tilt cylinder . Looking for a grip with two switches that is not gold plated. I was thinking about carving one out of a block of hard maple.

We will await your findings on the check valve. I can't imagine how it would fit in with a double acting cyl. Maybe it was for a non-reversible motor application.

The grip: Exactly what I was thinking last night. Except I was thinking pine or fir for a prototype to make the carving easy. Anyone have any ideas on finding a piece of plastic big enough to make a grip from? Any type of wood would be OK if you have a cab, but without a cab something weather resistant is needed.
jp

 

[tlbuser]

develop the shape for a gripper. Then it would get hard and I could maybe even use it after boring holes in it , cover with epoxy or use it as a model for carving out something. Not so easy. Turns out it is a preety complex shape that feels good in your hand.

you all might want to look at Scorpion Technologies LTD. - S-Series courtesy of threads by GuglioLS and 3RRL

 

[kennyd]

you all might want to look at Scorpion Technologies LTD. - S-Series courtesy of threads by GuglioLS and 3RRL

Just to add to that, look at SureGrips also.

 

[6sunset6]

I believe Scorpion and Suregrip are the same company, at least they have the same address. Have to go through a dealer and they were the ones who wanted $130 plus shipping for a stocked PN. Kind of steep
I have a roughed out shape comes out of a 2.5 x 2.5 x xx long block. I think I have a piece of 4 x 4 ceder post around someplace . I will post when I have some more detail.
On the check valve, I am hoping it is something like the double checks on the top and tilt cylinders. Takes pressure to crack it. The valve has a Cat pn and there is a CAT dealer up the road. I may stop in and see what they say.

 

[6sunset6]

I believe Scorpion and Suregrip are the same company, at least they have the same address. Have to go through a dealer and they were the ones who wanted $130 plus shipping for a stocked PN. Kind of steep
I have a roughed out shape comes out of a 2.5 x 2.5 x xx long block. I think I have a piece of 4 x 4 ceder post around someplace . I will post when I have some more detail.
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This is weird. Scorpian and Suregrip look like different Co but they are both in Kamloops BC and the products on the web pages are almost the same. I bet one started with people who left the other. Anyway I just remembered I have some slabs of cherry 2.5 " thick perfect start for the handgrip . Maybe this weekend.

 

[rhamer]

I've been thinking about this for a while now and one thing I thought about was the handle from a car's automatic transmission. Some of them have switches for overdrive and so fourth, so that may be an option.

I went to my local wreckers to have a bit of a scout around, but the problem here is they are all made to be used in the left hand, which is opposite to what I need for the tractor. You guys that drive on the wrong side of the road should be ok

Also the vast majority of automatic transmissions here are floor shift, where as I think the US folk tend towards column shift?

Anyway, it was just an idea.

Cheers

Rohan

 

[6sunset6]

Well it looks like I will have plenty of time for projects. Got laid off yesterday after 44 years. Guess my turn was up. First 2 hours was a shock thinking about who was going to pick up everything I was doing. But by lunch time I figuired out it was not my problem anymore. Today I realized how much stress was involved sopving problems every day. So I went and found the block of cherry I was thinking about and laid out a grip handle. I will start munching on it as soon as I get ahead of the list of things my wife left me to do. Switches I has around 5a contacts.

 

[6sunset6]

It cool not having to go to work. A little scary but I am just going to slide into retirement , from being paid to work anyway. Since I have so much time on my hands ( except fot the list my wife gave me this morning) I went up to the Cat dealer and asked them what they knew about this valve we are looking at. Turns out it is an active pn used on a couple of stump grinders and cold planners. For the service guy to find any service docs he stuck in the PN and it gave him the attachments, Then in the attachment file he went back to the valve. All parts are available, I did not ask how much , He did mention that two coils are the same and one is different. What I did get interested in was the valvle schematic and operations. He printed it out for me and I scanned it and it is attached. We pretty much got it it right in the discussions here. The check valve is as I thought , just like the check on the CCM top and tilt cylinders. Keeps that particular line from leaking back through the 4 way. Releases when command pressure is applied.
So I am now thinking about which port I want to use for what , And what I would want to use that check valve line for, I think I will use the first port, priority for a set of QD for blower rotate or grader blade angle. They change all the time and maybe the force on the grader blade will leak back but one would always be watching that anyway, Then I just got a tilt cylinder with doble checks so put that on the second set of ports. Then my top cylinder has no checks so use the third port with the check to keep it from falling . The only issue here is I like to use the 4 way as foward is down implement and back is up implement and I am not sure which way the selector would work . I guess I can give that up to make the top not fall. I could make the tilt the same if it is backwards and I will just have to remember both the same. The Top and Tilt I will not use QD ,they never come off so just JIC connectors. I am still working on fittings for the valve .

Ahh I scanned the doc as 9 pages and even .zipped it is too big. I will have to rescan into 2 sections stand by.

 

[6sunset6]

Try this more info than is needed

 

[ArTrvlr]

Well it looks like I will have plenty of time for projects. Got laid off yesterday after 44 years. Guess my turn was up. First 2 hours was a shock thinking about who was going to pick up everything I was doing. But by lunch time I figuired out it was not my problem anymore. Today I realized how much stress was involved sopving problems every day. So I went and found the block of cherry I was thinking about and laid out a grip handle. I will start munching on it as soon as I get ahead of the list of things my wife left me to do. Switches I has around 5a contacts.

I am not sure whether to offer condolences or congratulations.
I know you were planing to retire soon anyway, and I am sure it would have been better to go when you got ready, more like on your own terms. Hopefully this wont cut into your retirement benefits. And I hope you enjoy your retirement as much as I have mine. I took a buyout about a year ago, and have never looked back! Now any problems you solve will be your own, and I wish you the good fortune to be able to pick the "problems" you WANT to solve... like this little valve/knob project.
BTW, that should be a really nice looking knob, you may have to make matching knobs for all the other controls on your tractor.
jp

 

[yankeerider]

Try this more info than is needed

Bob-

Thank you so much for searching this info out and sharing it. Coincidentally, my valve arrived just today- I decided to order one after seeing the quantity available drop and deciding that i wanted to be sure to get one at Surplus Center's price before the opportunity ended (if they ran out and it truly had been a surplus buy for them with restocking not available.)

My best wishes to you on your earlier-than-planned retirement. Most of the people I know who found themselves suddenly unemployed have ended up happier in their new situation than they were previously.

 

[ArTrvlr]

Try this more info than is needed

No Bob, you can never have too much info. If nothing else, it help us to think we know it all.

Seriously, I am grateful to you for finding out about the valve. That is everything anyone needs to know to adapt it to their use. My dealer quoted me $850 for the Massey FEL selector valve, switch and hoses. (installed) At $150 for this valve, plus whatever I spend for hoses and fittings, I will be way ahead money wise and will have three functions instead of two.

Thanks again, and, where did you find your switches? I wanted to use one DPDT, center off, momentary rocker switch, but that is really hard to find, so I gave up, and now DPST momentary push buttons are turning out to be pretty elusive as well. I can find spec. on manufactures web sites, but cant find a retailer with any in stock. I need switches to build my knob around.
JP