Stump Removal and Brotek Ripper

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spk64

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Kubota BX24
I thought I would share my experiences with the Brotek Ripper and removing a stump. I had read several post of some recommending it and others not real satisfied. But no real reviews of how it really worked out on roots or the best technique using a BX24 or similar sized tractor.

I have removed smaller stumps and a couple large stumps that required excavating a large hole with the backhoe then lots of chopping with the ax and cutting with a reciprocating saw destroying a few blades.

This time I opted to try the Brotek Ripper out and see how it worked. I also went ahead and ordered a thumb also which is something I had really needed many times moving large rocks around.

I started out on the stump with just the backhoe. This let me re-live the past experiences and get a feel for how the ripper tooth worked when it arrived. This did not last long as I felt I pretty much had hit a brick wall with this stump. The roots were heavy and thick. In the past going out wider and digging a much larger hole would have been the next step. This particular stump was in our landscaping and close to the house so I had limited options. There were also septic lines to contend with.
Here is the tree before it was cut down. It was destined for removal but hurricane Ike's passing through the midwest helped push us along. The stump that was left remaining is roughly 20" in diameter.
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The ripper tooth arrived last Saturday and took 5-10 minutes to install. I went right to work on the stump. It took a little while to figure out the best approach using the ripper. The BX24 being a small machine is something that you cannot overcome with any gadget so you are always limited in how much you can lift or move. I was able to quickly start getting a trench started around the stump. The small roots were easily broken and the 3-4" roots once weakened by picking away with the ripper tooth also were broken. This learning curve took a little while to learn just how much of a bite you could take with the tooth and rip away the root a little at a time. Once I had a perimiter cleared with the ripper I put the bucket back on and began clearing away some of the dirt and getting a trench cleared around the stump. Then back with the ripper to clean up any roots that were missed.
Here is where I ended up after several hours. This took a little longer than normal as swapping attachments and hauling all the dirt away took away time from just ripping into the root mass. The full diameter of the "hole" is roughly 8' to put the pictures to scale.
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My goal was to remove this root with out digging to far in the yard or landscaping and as shallow as possible to avoid some pipes that are under the roots somewhere. Yes, I though about a stump grinder but we wanted to plant another smaller tree back in it's place and I was worried about grinding deep enough or worst too deep and into the pipes.

The DST kicks in and there is no day light to work in the evenings. So the amount of work getting done in the evenings is very limited. Any work getting completed is with the aux. lights added to the BX24. I have spent maybe an hour on it so far this week using nothing but the ripper tooth. I have gotten to the point where I feel its usefulness is really starting to payoff. Using the ripper tooth like a wood chisel with a whole lot of force is letting me pare away at the largest of roots and dissect the intertwined mass of roots. I should also mention that I did sharpen the tooth after the first day and apply a slight concave grind to help keep it from slipping off the smaller roots.
As you can see in this image I have ripped away a large amount of the roots on this side of the stump. The other side had even more ripped away.
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Here is a large pile of the carnage from the roots. This is only a partial pile as some were already hauled away and many are buried in the dirt still being removed around the stump.
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And another wider angle showing how much of the root mass has been removed.
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I should have the stump out this weekend and will post a final summary of the Brotek Ripper and maybe some shots of it in use paring\chiseling away at the roots.
 
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The pictures are not showing up!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:
 
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good post so far. I am wonddering how long does it take to actually swap the bucket to ripper and back ? is it hard/easy or just time consuming ?
 
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good post so far. I am wonddering how long does it take to actually swap the bucket to ripper and back ? is it hard/easy or just time consuming ?

Roughly 5 minutes to swap them out.
- Remove 2 bolts
- Pull the pins
- Swap Ripper for Bucket
- Pins and bolts back

Bucket and ripper are both light enough to hold in place and put the pins back in. I usually leave it 5-6" off the ground when swapping.
 
   / Stump Removal and Brotek Ripper #6  
great post, I've been kicking around whether to pick up a ripper or not.
 
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Another short night and a little more progress.
Since the other pictures really do not show the roots that well. Dirt covering many and the shreaded ends look like tiny roots versus the larger roots that are actually there. I hosed off the top to get a better shot of the root mass. This side was a solid mass of many roots about 8-10" deep.
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Now for some action shots.
Here is the ripper taking the first bite on a 3-4" root with another root directly underneath. In the closeup you can see the slight concave I ground on the tooth.
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And here is what it looked like a short time later.
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I timed swapping out the bucket for the ripper and it is under 3 minutes.

The stumps is now starting to move so it should be out soon.
 
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As someone who has taken out a few big stumps with my B3030 I can attest to some of them taking a long time. Many people have told me I could have rented a "whatever" or payed someone to do it. I am guessing you, like I enjoy the experience of doing yourself. Heck, I might have even payed to do it myself. Wait, come to think of it, in a round about way I did :).
 
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That ripper tooth looks interesting. I've dug up several trees. In fact I just did one this week. It is/was a red oak, about 16-18" diameter & about 75' tall. I took some pictures - - attached. My total dig time was about 8 or nine hours. Once I had severed the roots all the way around I found it would not budge when my powerful BX-22 pushed on it. So, I used a come-a-long to another tree near by. That pulled the sucker over, with quite a bit of dirt/clay attached, as you can see. I'm wondering if the ripper tooth would have saved any time? Oaks would seem to be likely candidates, with their shallow roots.

Now, if the tractor could just cut it into 16" lengths & dispose of all the left over debris. At least, it is next year's firewood. I'm waiting for cooler weather to get out the chain saw to begin cutting it into lengths.

Jack
 

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   / Stump Removal and Brotek Ripper #10  
The Brotek Ripper is specific to small Kubotas.
Who has tried a frost ripper and what sort of results did you get ?

I am sending my hoe bucket measurements to these folk today to see what will fit;
frost-ripper Image Gallery - USA Attachments

Maybe their teeniest/weeniest one (-:
 
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I'm wondering if the ripper tooth would have saved any time? Oaks would seem to be likely candidates, with their shallow roots.

I would say if the majority of your time was trying to pick through roots with the backhoe bucket and an ax. Then yes the ripper would help. Took me a few hours to get a perimeter around my stump

Reg
Those frost pickers look like they weigh more than my tractor! I have read of others using frost picks on larger backhoes for roots also.
 
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I would say if the majority of your time was trying to pick through roots with the backhoe bucket and an ax. Then yes the ripper would help. Took me a few hours to get a perimeter around my stump

Reg
Those frost pickers look like they weigh more than my tractor! I have read of others using frost picks on larger backhoes for roots also.

I think 225 pounds for the smallest one.
Given that it doesn't have "capacity" to fill and lift a load in I'm guessing my little hoe can probably handle it.
 
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Yeah, but I did not [& usually do not] use an ax. If a root is too tough, I move out a little further - - once you sever it, you can usually break it off closer to the trunk too. I admit is is frustrating trying to fit the bh bucket teeth between roots so that you can get a good bite. And, I've wished I had an implement on the bh that was narrower than the 12" bucket. How much was the ripper?

Jack
 
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Yeah, but I did not [& usually do not] use an ax. If a root is too tough, I move out a little further - - once you sever it, you can usually break it off closer to the trunk too. I admit is is frustrating trying to fit the bh bucket teeth between roots so that you can get a good bite. And, I've wished I had an implement on the bh that was narrower than the 12" bucket. How much was the ripper?

Jack

The Brotek ripper was $230 shipped to my door.

I would have to say that I could not have removed the roots from this stump like I have so far with the bucket alone. They are tightly woven and grown together such that the "dull" bucket teeth barely did anything. This particular stump limited me from going too far out to break any roots with the bucket. In the first image with the trench around the stump was as far as I could go with the bucket alone. By going back to the ripper I was able to remove a large amount of the roots.
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Reg:
Send your measurements to richard at Bro-tek, He does make things for other than 'small kubotas'
 
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Here is another company who makes them. No idea on their price or quality. Located near Charleston SC.

D&E Manufacturing - Custom Miscellaneous - Heavy Equipment Attachments for the Demanding Contractor - Timber Tamer, Thumbs, Rakes, Grapples, Buckets, Forestry, Dirt Movin Box Blades, Roller Blades, Couplers, Stump Shears, Stump Splitters

Just thinking, a heavy duty subsoiler shank looks about like this.

I have dug a dug a lot of stumps this year and am impressed with the ripper work for you. I found using my bucket's teeth I could rotate the bucket to about level and catch many roots and tear them.
 
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The performance of the ripper tooth is largely dependent on the type of tree you're removing. I found it performed poorly with the large number of white pines I'm removing. It can't handle anything over 10" in diameter. The stabilizing roots of the pines are too large for it to tackle, due to the nature of the tree's root system, a large amount of soil must be excavated from around the tree to expose the root system. Then there's a lot of manual work with a digging bar, and cutting roots manually with a hand saw.
 
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The stump was finally broken free this morning with small amount of backhoe work to free the stump from the concrete like dirt underneath.
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There was some dirt still attached to the bottom side.
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A short time later and it was cleaned up and I could barely lift and move it out of the hole with the thumb.
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Replace the dirt I moved away while cutting through the roots and now ready to plant another tree in it's spot.
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I was able to accomplish what I set out to do. Remove the stump without a large deep hole and eliminate the need to cut though the roots with an axe or saw. The ripper did perform its job well. It had no problem cutting through the roots by taking bites until they were weak enough to break. I may have cut the roots back farther than I really needed but it let me see how far I could cut them back. As others have stated your mileage may vary depending on the type of tree. Pines and their deep tap roots might not see a benefit. Any tree with roots on the surface and accessible by a bucket will come out easier with the ripper.

I have a couple smaller stumps from a norway spruce. It will be interesting to see what type of root structure they have. I am expecting a tap root of some sort.
 
   / Stump Removal and Brotek Ripper #19  
Good post, spk64. Thanks for the detailed write-up and those great pics. Your writing style is thorough and systematic...just like the way you attack those roots.:) I have a bunch of stumps on my to do list when the new machine arrives. Look like I'll be budgeting a ripper sometime down the road. Thanks again.
 
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good post so far. I am wonddering how long does it take to actually swap the bucket to ripper and back ? is it hard/easy or just time consuming ?
Heres a quick coupler for my BX24
More pics on the "best modification on your bota"
/Sam
 

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