gemini5362
Veteran Member
deere755 said:
I have a policy the only way my kids get to use my truck and trailer is if I am driving if I am not going to be there then they have to either wait till I can or else make other arrangements.
loaned new trailer - broken axle
- Thread starter rcrcomputing
- Start date
- Views: 13960
I have a policy the only way my kids get to use my truck and trailer is if I am driving if I am not going to be there then they have to either wait till I can or else make other arrangements.
patrick_g
Elite Member
I totally agree with the author of the comments about the strength of the components in the chain of connections from truck frame to trailer frame. Is the receiver hitch rated appropriately and in good shape and connected to the truck properly? What about the draw bar, ball, and coupler.
I just took delivery of a new truck and went to the local trailer manufacturer's parts store to get a drawbar and ball. I had to paw through a lot of stuff but I managed to find parts rated stronger than the Ford Super Duty F-250 receiver (12,500 lbs) rating. The drop style draw bar I got is rated at 15,000 lbs and the ball is rated at 30,000 lbs.
I feel confident that the weakest link in the chain is the 12,500 lb Ford receiver hitch. I don't want anything that I buy and install to be the weakest link in the chain. If anything happens I don't want to be responsible for having installed the weakest link.
The jury is still out regarding the pin that retains the drawbar in the receiver. I couldn't find a rating on the ones in the trailer shop and the owner who has been building trailers for quite a while has never heard of a HD one. I will be looking into that. This trailer outfit sells trailers with 15 or 16 inch wheels and new or used tires. I went for 16's with load range E tires because I don't like losing a tire with a load.
My HD car hauler, rated for gross wt of 12,000 will probably never have much over 10,000 gross.
I never loan just the trailer! I loan me and the trailer, with or without my truck. MY fenders take quite a beating since not everyone is careful or good with a forklift. Lately I have been doing considerable logging and even I ding a fender once in a while even if I am careful. Unloading at the mill is unpleasant and the fenders cringe to think about it.
I also loan my tractor but only with me as operator!
If the business connection I had with a company made me so much money that I didn't mind them screwing me, essentially lying to me, and proving repetitively they don't care about my equipment, I'd give them the trailer and buy one for myself that I would NOT loan to them.
Pat
I just took delivery of a new truck and went to the local trailer manufacturer's parts store to get a drawbar and ball. I had to paw through a lot of stuff but I managed to find parts rated stronger than the Ford Super Duty F-250 receiver (12,500 lbs) rating. The drop style draw bar I got is rated at 15,000 lbs and the ball is rated at 30,000 lbs.
I feel confident that the weakest link in the chain is the 12,500 lb Ford receiver hitch. I don't want anything that I buy and install to be the weakest link in the chain. If anything happens I don't want to be responsible for having installed the weakest link.
The jury is still out regarding the pin that retains the drawbar in the receiver. I couldn't find a rating on the ones in the trailer shop and the owner who has been building trailers for quite a while has never heard of a HD one. I will be looking into that. This trailer outfit sells trailers with 15 or 16 inch wheels and new or used tires. I went for 16's with load range E tires because I don't like losing a tire with a load.
My HD car hauler, rated for gross wt of 12,000 will probably never have much over 10,000 gross.
I never loan just the trailer! I loan me and the trailer, with or without my truck. MY fenders take quite a beating since not everyone is careful or good with a forklift. Lately I have been doing considerable logging and even I ding a fender once in a while even if I am careful. Unloading at the mill is unpleasant and the fenders cringe to think about it.
I also loan my tractor but only with me as operator!
If the business connection I had with a company made me so much money that I didn't mind them screwing me, essentially lying to me, and proving repetitively they don't care about my equipment, I'd give them the trailer and buy one for myself that I would NOT loan to them.
Pat
I am on the list of people that is a "borrower." While I do have my 3/4t CTD that I love so much, the only trailer I own is a 3 horse slant. If I need to haul a tractor or anything else, I borrow a buddies. Now this is different because.. A: he knows me well B: I have a Class a CDL and am a "permanently retired" truck driver. C: I have borrowed it many times before, have never damaged anything. OTOH, my grandpa won't even allow his own grandson to borrow his smaller car trailer, but he has had negative experiences like others here and is justifiably gun shy. These days he would probably let me borrow it, but it's not worth the hassle to me when I have access to others. The key is that my father and grandfather instilled in me early on that if you borrow something you bad better take it back in the same if not BETTER condition than when you picked it up. I have had to go so far as a tire for a different buddies trailer. Had a tire blow out on me. Now it was a lousy tire to begin with and was glad I was only 5 dirt road miles from home when it happened. I surely chipped in one of my used truck tires to replace it with. (was still the nicest tire on the old farm trailer) Just the cost of doing business.
gemini5362
Veteran Member
I have a close friend that I borrowed his trailer while he was doing some work on it. I lost a hubcap and had to replace it. Another friend of ours borrowed it and bent the hitch ( really stupid accident) He bought him another hitch and the guy that owned the trailer had not put it on yet. I borrowed my friends trailer for something and decided that while I had it I would just take it and get a bulldog hitch put on it. We had talked about them and he wanted one but did not want to pay that much money. When he saw the new hitch he was pretty impressed. It feels good to borrow something and bring it back in better shape than when you borrowed it.
AlanB
Elite Member
And when you do that regularly, it makes it oh so much easier to borrow things from folks in the future.
I think at one point or another I have been on all ends of these deals. The answer for me is you have to look at each situation on a case by case basis.
I think at one point or another I have been on all ends of these deals. The answer for me is you have to look at each situation on a case by case basis.
firemanpat2910
Platinum Member
No wonder some of my friends want to loan me thier stuff, I usualy spend as much time fixing it first than I do using it.
patrick_g
Elite Member
firemanpat2910 said:
Hey, I resemble that remark!
A friend loaned me a squeeze chute on wheels with hitch like a trailer. You remove the trailer part to use it. It came on tires I wasn't sure would make the 2 mile trip. It will go back on some very much better used tires I can buy at a tire shop.
I borrowed a 25 foot enclosed steel car hauler from a WW II vet friend and towed it to SOCAL and back to central Oklahoma. He had commented as to how if he was up to it he'd remount the axles under the springs to lower the trailer. I returned it with the axles remounted. I also gave his wife $ for 6 months of insurance on the trailer as they would not have kept the coverage when not actively using it.
I blew out a rear end in a pickup and a friend's wife came 40 miles to rescue us. When hubby (WW II B-17 tail gunner) got home he borrowed back a Land cruiser from his daughter and gave it to me to drive while my truck was in the shop and had a client of his come tow the truck to a shop. When I returned the new Land Cruiser it was freshly washed and filled with gas. The daughter remembered that for years, she just couldn't believe I'd wash it AND fill it up. (She was a California girl.)
When in the woods take nothing but pictures and leave nothing but footprints. When you borrow something return it better than you got it, even if the only improvement reasonable is to clean it up like new.
Pat
Renze
Super Member
Yes, that's the nice way to borrow things. It gives you a good feeling when your mate or neighbor is happy when you returned the borrowed thing in better shape than you got it, so both are happy.
We have a neighbor, when you borrow something, he gives you a to-do list of things that need to be done before you may use it, ooh it had to be done sooner but no time, blah blah... so he allways knows a way to get half a day of free shop labor done on his machinery, for just half an hour of loan.
The same neighbor finds it handy to have the manure tanker sitting in his yard so they can use it directly, (we own it with 2 other neighbors) but when he returns it our farmyard after he used it, you bet it needs some sort of repair....
another neighbor borrowed a 3,5 ton farm wagon to unload construction supply from a truck that was stuck in his driveway... His Leyland couldnt pull through dry grassland and and the Komatsu 12 ton wheel loader that was called to pull the stuck truck out, dragged the trailer with a 10 ton load (300% overload) to the building site. the axle is bent and the bearings are sore.
Sometimes it is ignorance, sometimes it is... welll... a poor mindset.
I dont borrow to, (and from) just anyone. Only with those i know we can deal with potential issues either way, in a fair way.
We have a neighbor, when you borrow something, he gives you a to-do list of things that need to be done before you may use it, ooh it had to be done sooner but no time, blah blah... so he allways knows a way to get half a day of free shop labor done on his machinery, for just half an hour of loan.
The same neighbor finds it handy to have the manure tanker sitting in his yard so they can use it directly, (we own it with 2 other neighbors) but when he returns it our farmyard after he used it, you bet it needs some sort of repair....
another neighbor borrowed a 3,5 ton farm wagon to unload construction supply from a truck that was stuck in his driveway... His Leyland couldnt pull through dry grassland and and the Komatsu 12 ton wheel loader that was called to pull the stuck truck out, dragged the trailer with a 10 ton load (300% overload) to the building site. the axle is bent and the bearings are sore.
Sometimes it is ignorance, sometimes it is... welll... a poor mindset.
I dont borrow to, (and from) just anyone. Only with those i know we can deal with potential issues either way, in a fair way.
deere755
Platinum Member
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2005
- Messages
- 952
- Tractor
- Case 2090 Massey Ferguson 4233 John Deere 4700
deere755 said:
Well my step Daughter wants to borrow my truck and trailer again to finish moving. I decided the fair thing would be for me to offer to pay for a U Haul since I can not be there to help and they are a lot better for moving anyway and I would not have to worry about my truck and trailer. Now I am really the bad guy for not wanting her to use my truck and trailer and making such an offer. She is really mad at me and I figure if she is mad long enough Momma will be mad too. Do you ever wish you could move away and not tell your kids where you moved too.
workinallthetime
Veteran Member
u-haul is cheeper than the body shop
try this
get an estimate on fixing your truck and present that to the wife and see how she feels about the u-haul,lol
try this
get an estimate on fixing your truck and present that to the wife and see how she feels about the u-haul,lol
deere755
Platinum Member
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2005
- Messages
- 952
- Tractor
- Case 2090 Massey Ferguson 4233 John Deere 4700
workinallthetime said:
The dent in my tailgate is going to cost $476 and that is with a discount because the body man is a good friend of mine. The trailer fenders I am not sure what to do there. So far Momma is supporting me on this one.
gemini5362
Veteran Member
I rented a uhaul truck when we moved my step daugher from her apartment to her new house she had purchased. The rates for a uhaul truck were really reasonable somewhere under 75.00 a day for a 20 + footer. You could point out that by renting one of those she can have a good ramp for getting stuff into the truck. She should only have to make one or two trips and would save in gasonline and travel time. If I had to move one of my kids tomorrow even though I have a 3/4 ton truck and a 16 foot trailer I would rent another one again. Actually as I am writing this I remembered the last time I moved my son I rented a 24 foot uhaul and moved all of his stuff from a huge three bedroom house in two loads.
JJT
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Oct 13, 2001
- Messages
- 2,093
- Location
- Upstate NY, USA
- Tractor
- Kubota L3710 HST and a Kubota ZD21 60Pro
deere755 said:
Deere, Don't sweat the small stuff. The truck and the trailer are made to work. Those dents are beauty marks. JT
deere755 said:
I would stand up to her and tell her to rent her own truck. I wouldn't hesitate to point out that the truck and trailer were damaged the last time you were generous enough to loan them out. I would then point out that you WERE PAYING FOR the U-Haul, that is until the ungrateful attitude. If momma is mad about it, I quickly suggest a larger U-Haul and offer your assistance in loading momma's possesions as well.
gemini5362
Veteran Member
JJT I am with deere on this one. I dont know about his truck but mine cost over 40,000 dollars I dont like to even get scratches on the tailgate.
gemini5362
Veteran Member
shvl73 said:
wow that is tough love. If my children or step children need to move and do not have the money to move with I am help them but then I am a pushover.
I do have a question though. Do you ever let your wife read this forum board ?
gemini5362 said:
I'm always there to help if someone needs it but, I also feel it should work both ways. There are always some that take advantage, as in deere755's case. His daughter-inlaw is angry at having a rental truck provided, without expense to her, and fails to see why she shouldn't ask to borrow something she damaged and did not repair. How could she not understand this?
The spouse has no interest in this forum, but she would agree that people need to help each other, not just some helping others.
gemini5362
Veteran Member
shvl73 said:
I am not sure if you read the original post correctly it is not his daughter- in- law it is his stepdaughter. Having been divorced and married for the second time. I have two children of my own and my wife has two children. We were both older when we got divorced and we both have children that were in the late teens when we got married and now are in their early 20's the vast majority of disagreements that we have (although we do not have many) are over children I get very defensive about my children and my wife does hers as well. I can understand the problems that he is talking about with the wife taking sides.
As far as the step daughter being unreasonable about wanting to borrow something she damaged I am in total agreement with both of you that is totally unreasonable. Her not wanting the uhaul may have a personally reasonable explanation. We do not know what size uhaul that she is going to need if it is a 24 foot uhaul truck then she may not feel she can drive that. Even the shorter trucks with the big box can be daunting to try and drive and backup etc.
A reasonable compromise if he can afford it would be to offer to rent her a U-Haul van with a trailer. Then she is driving something comparable in size to the truck and trailer that she damaged.
I was not suprised that your wife showed no interest in these posts. Somehow I dont see the women that I know enjoying reading that their husband gives advice that includes if the mother gets unhappy just rent a bigger truck and move her out also.
gemini5362 said:
Yes, my mistake.
gemini5362 said:
I see the problem, I just don't think she's being fair to him. I think a spouse should at least try to be fair and understand. I don't think his wife is angry with him yet, maybe she sees the predicament he's being put into by her daughter and how generous he has already been. At least I hope so.
gemini5362 said:
Quite possible. Maybe she now realizes how lucky she is to have him help.
gemini5362 said:
I think she would laugh and realize I was kidding. We tend to try and work out our differences.
patrick_g
Elite Member
Unfortunately the step daughter's attitude is a sign of the times, not desirable but seen more frequently. I'm reminded of the little kid who went to the store with momma. The nice grocery man gave the kid a banana. Momma says, "Honey, now what do you say to the nice grocery man?" The kid hands the banana back to the man and says, "Peel it!"
Unfortunately, logic often does not enter into the equation when the variables include step children and a protective parent shielding the stepchild from the EVIL step parent along with the step parent walking on eggs to avoid being perceived as an evil step parent.
Not taking personal responsibility for the property of others, especially significant others attached to one's mother shows a certain low civility quotient. Acting like a responsible adult would include a sincere apology accompanied by a real not fanciful offer of restitution even if restitution was not monetary but was washing the truck a couple times a month for a year.
Honest and honorable adults don't cause loss to others and then expect them to ignore the loss and offer another opportunity to show disrespect. Offering to rent a U-Haul was certainly turning the other cheek and walking the extra mile while being upset by the offer shows a lack of maturity and good sense. Totally childlike behavior, I want what I want the way I want it and nothing else with do. ME ME ME!!!
The good news is that some of the time they live long enough to grow out of it. The bad news is that often they don't.
Pat
Unfortunately, logic often does not enter into the equation when the variables include step children and a protective parent shielding the stepchild from the EVIL step parent along with the step parent walking on eggs to avoid being perceived as an evil step parent.
Not taking personal responsibility for the property of others, especially significant others attached to one's mother shows a certain low civility quotient. Acting like a responsible adult would include a sincere apology accompanied by a real not fanciful offer of restitution even if restitution was not monetary but was washing the truck a couple times a month for a year.
Honest and honorable adults don't cause loss to others and then expect them to ignore the loss and offer another opportunity to show disrespect. Offering to rent a U-Haul was certainly turning the other cheek and walking the extra mile while being upset by the offer shows a lack of maturity and good sense. Totally childlike behavior, I want what I want the way I want it and nothing else with do. ME ME ME!!!
The good news is that some of the time they live long enough to grow out of it. The bad news is that often they don't.
Pat
Here are some similar links:
