houska
Silver Member
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2019
- Messages
- 172
- Location
- close to Perth, Eastern ON, Canada
- Tractor
- Branson 4225h; Kubota KX-040
I bought my tractor in 2019 (3.5 years ago) and use it about 80 hours/year.
I have about $45-50k invested in it, including attachments: grapple, forestry winch, splitter, chipper, chains, brushhog, box blade, and backhoe. (I've converted all $ to US in this post, though I'm based in Canada).
Especially for occasional users like myself, I think you need to separate out expenses genuinely per usage hour plus additional expenses which actually accrue more per calendar year, irrespective of intensity of use (though you can divide that by your hours/yr at the end if you feel like it).
Per usage hour, there's fuel. I use about 1 5-gallon/20L can per 6 hours, which works out to $5/hr at today's prices.
In addition, there's major maintenance, which is caused by doing something dumb or unlucky. I've had 2 $1500+ repairs during my ownership, so call it $10/usage hr. Now this includes some improvements each time it's been in the shop, and as I get more experienced, I hope to be less dumb. So call it $7/hr as a longer term average.
Per year, there's regular maintenance. If I did it myself, would be $100-200/yr. If I put in hundreds of hours per year, it would be according to a usage-hours based calendar and added to the per-running hour cost, but for occasional use, it's more stuff you do every year or so. So far, I've had a lot of it done when having the tractor in the shop for major maintenance anyway, but I budget $150/yr going forward.
In addition, there's insurance, which I was lucky enough to get as a U$100/yr rider on my rural land policy.
That totals $250/yr, which divided by my 80 hrs/yr, is about $3/hr. This would change a lot based on number of hours actual use per year.
So total ongoing cash costs are about $15/hr, of which the bulk is how frequently and how badly I bash something up enough to need professional repairs.
That leaves the question of depreciation or "investment returns". I bought my tractor and 1/2 of my attachments new, 1/2 used. I expect the tractor will largely keep its value if I maintain it reasonably, especially if we continue in an inflationary world. I doubt I'll make a mint, but I doubt I'll lose a fortune too. If/when I sell it, it may well depend on economic fortunes then (do people have money? is equipment in short supply or plentiful?) and how much of a rush I'll be to sell.
On the other hand, I'll be happy if I resell attachments (if/when I sell) at 1/2 price. That's irrespective of specific age or hours used. I find attachments (fortunately) get beat up more than the tractor, generally get less maintenance and attention (they seem to get rusty or dinged when off the tractor, calmly just sitting there). And it will be less worth the hassle to try to sell them at top price if I ever need to.
If absolutely forced to guess, I'd say something like "in 10 years, I might sell everything at a 15+-% net loss, so $8k of depreciation over 10*80=800 hours". That would be another $10/hr cost. Plus it might be fair to say there's an opportunity cost for having capital tied up, though the way the economy looks, maybe I should look on it as "asset diversification".
Bottom line is I ballpark my cost at $25/usage hour, of which 20% is fuel, 25-30% is unexpected maintenance (variable), 40%+- is depeciation (and may be much less or much more) and 10-15% is other stuff. YMMV.
Here focusing on the cost angle. The benefit is what it lets me do, at all or much faster than without. And, frankly, while I'm not a prepper by any stretch, given all the bad things circling around in the world, the feeling of (greater) self-sufficiency has value as well! We may well get to the point where a tractor in the shed is worth much more than all the $$$ in the world in some imploding financial investment instrument.
I have about $45-50k invested in it, including attachments: grapple, forestry winch, splitter, chipper, chains, brushhog, box blade, and backhoe. (I've converted all $ to US in this post, though I'm based in Canada).
Especially for occasional users like myself, I think you need to separate out expenses genuinely per usage hour plus additional expenses which actually accrue more per calendar year, irrespective of intensity of use (though you can divide that by your hours/yr at the end if you feel like it).
Per usage hour, there's fuel. I use about 1 5-gallon/20L can per 6 hours, which works out to $5/hr at today's prices.
In addition, there's major maintenance, which is caused by doing something dumb or unlucky. I've had 2 $1500+ repairs during my ownership, so call it $10/usage hr. Now this includes some improvements each time it's been in the shop, and as I get more experienced, I hope to be less dumb. So call it $7/hr as a longer term average.
Per year, there's regular maintenance. If I did it myself, would be $100-200/yr. If I put in hundreds of hours per year, it would be according to a usage-hours based calendar and added to the per-running hour cost, but for occasional use, it's more stuff you do every year or so. So far, I've had a lot of it done when having the tractor in the shop for major maintenance anyway, but I budget $150/yr going forward.
In addition, there's insurance, which I was lucky enough to get as a U$100/yr rider on my rural land policy.
That totals $250/yr, which divided by my 80 hrs/yr, is about $3/hr. This would change a lot based on number of hours actual use per year.
So total ongoing cash costs are about $15/hr, of which the bulk is how frequently and how badly I bash something up enough to need professional repairs.
That leaves the question of depreciation or "investment returns". I bought my tractor and 1/2 of my attachments new, 1/2 used. I expect the tractor will largely keep its value if I maintain it reasonably, especially if we continue in an inflationary world. I doubt I'll make a mint, but I doubt I'll lose a fortune too. If/when I sell it, it may well depend on economic fortunes then (do people have money? is equipment in short supply or plentiful?) and how much of a rush I'll be to sell.
On the other hand, I'll be happy if I resell attachments (if/when I sell) at 1/2 price. That's irrespective of specific age or hours used. I find attachments (fortunately) get beat up more than the tractor, generally get less maintenance and attention (they seem to get rusty or dinged when off the tractor, calmly just sitting there). And it will be less worth the hassle to try to sell them at top price if I ever need to.
If absolutely forced to guess, I'd say something like "in 10 years, I might sell everything at a 15+-% net loss, so $8k of depreciation over 10*80=800 hours". That would be another $10/hr cost. Plus it might be fair to say there's an opportunity cost for having capital tied up, though the way the economy looks, maybe I should look on it as "asset diversification".
Bottom line is I ballpark my cost at $25/usage hour, of which 20% is fuel, 25-30% is unexpected maintenance (variable), 40%+- is depeciation (and may be much less or much more) and 10-15% is other stuff. YMMV.
Here focusing on the cost angle. The benefit is what it lets me do, at all or much faster than without. And, frankly, while I'm not a prepper by any stretch, given all the bad things circling around in the world, the feeling of (greater) self-sufficiency has value as well! We may well get to the point where a tractor in the shed is worth much more than all the $$$ in the world in some imploding financial investment instrument.