Your digital images?

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As many here obviously take digital images, I'm wondering how & where everyone keeps & protects their images? In the days of olde, when folks used something called "film" and "prints", most families kept their most memorable photos in albums (or shoeboxes!) that they could easily take out at family gatherings. We're all seem examples when, faced with a potential disaster such as rising water or fire, one of the first things people grab before fleeing are these types of family photos.

Today more tech systems such as computers, smart phones, tablets, social media etc. seem to dominate in place of the traditional photo album.

How do you suppose future generations will be able to view the digital images you've taken that are now tucked away in a computer folder, or some type of electronic device? A question I haven't been able to answer myself... :confused:
 
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As many here obviously take digital images, I'm wondering how & where everyone keeps & protects their images? In the days of olde, when folks used something called "film" and "prints", most families kept their most memorable photos in albums (or shoeboxes!) that they could easily take out at family gatherings. We're all seem examples when, faced with a potential disaster such as rising water or fire, one of the first things people grab before fleeing are these types of family photos.

Today more tech systems such as computers, smart phones, tablets, social media etc. seem to dominate in place of the traditional photo album.

How do you suppose future generations will be able to view the digital images you've taken that are now tucked away in a computer folder, or some type of electronic device? A question I haven't been able to answer myself... :confused:

I store back-up copies of my images on Dropbox and Photobucket. My tablet is set up with the Dropbox app. Any photo I take on the tablet is automatically backed up to my account as soon as I am in range of wi-fi.
 
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Most folks are using some type if cloud backup. On your smartphone most can be automatically backed by your carrier.
 
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I have mine on my PC, my network harddrive and on 2 usb (external) backup drives

paul
 
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I keep all data for our PC's tablets, phones and cameras on a Synology DS111 server. It has included software set to backup business data hourly, and photos, music and videos weekly. It backs up to a portable hard drive. I periodically swap the portable drive with another and store it in a fire/water proof box.

Online services are likely better and more secure (ignoring whatever snooping might be going on) but they aren't feasible for me. My Internet service is cellular-based and expensive for large amount to of data.
 
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I use Carbonite, the peace of mind to have all my files (both personal and business) for $50 a year is unbeatable to me. It's completely automatic and works quietly in the background.
 
/ Your digital images? #8  
I use a few methods already mentioned, my Phone pics are downloaded onto the phone Micro-SD card and then ones I want to keep are copied onto my Thumb Drive. The ones that I share are put onto Photobucket for long term keeping. Yahoo, and Google also have some photo storage ability. I also have a Insurance Database where I can take pics of my Tools and save them, with ID info into the database. It is a MS product that is used for the database/inventory.

The Thumb Drives are dirt cheap and last a long time, USB is probably going to be around for next ?? till something much better comes along. I have also in the past burnt CDs of OLD family pics etc which are not nearly as reliable as the thumb drives are now, & for 20 or so buck you can easily store 1000's of pics indefinitely until you can get to a wi-fi area and load them onto cloud...

Worst case is you can save them as attachments in Email to several different accounts if you feel the free storage of Photobucket or others (there are several of them) or even pay ones where you buy software and get free pic storage like on Picasa or Photo-editing software

Mark
 
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Sounds like your backup plan-- along with the others mentioned-- is a good system However, the larger question which I had in mind was-- then what? With traditional photographs for example, photo books, prints & slides can be passed down for generations. If something happens to the person backing up all these photos & videos, would anyone else have a clue what a Synology DS111 server was? Or know how to log in to the "cloud" to retrieve images?

I've read interviews with authors who write biographies lamenting the fact while personal letters were veritable treasure troves of information for documenting historical events, few people write letters like that these days. In place of hand written letters, electronic messages are more the norm. But unless printed and archived somehow, these just vanish over time and those personal narratives are lost.

Similarly, what ultimately happens to all these images stored on hard drives? Will future generations be able to sit around the kitchen table and view these images and reminisce about the good ol' days? Or will those images simply be inaccessible to anyone other than the original owner who has long since departed...

I keep all data for our PC's tablets, phones and cameras on a Synology DS111 server. It has included software set to backup business data hourly, and photos, music and videos weekly. It backs up to a portable hard drive. I periodically swap the portable drive with another and store it in a fire/water proof box.

Online services are likely better and more secure (ignoring whatever snooping might be going on) but they aren't feasible for me. My Internet service is cellular-based and expensive for large amount to of data.
 
/ Your digital images? #10  
Sounds like your backup plan-- along with the others mentioned-- is a good system However, the larger question which I had in mind was-- then what? With traditional photographs for example, photo books, prints & slides can be passed down for generations. If something happens to the person backing up all these photos & videos, would anyone else have a clue what a Synology DS111 server was? Or know how to log in to the "cloud" to retrieve images?

I've read interviews with authors who write biographies lamenting the fact while personal letters were veritable treasure troves of information for documenting historical events, few people write letters like that these days. In place of hand written letters, electronic messages are more the norm. But unless printed and archived somehow, these just vanish over time and those personal narratives are lost.

Similarly, what ultimately happens to all these images stored on hard drives? Will future generations be able to sit around the kitchen table and view these images and reminisce about the good ol' days? Or will those images simply be inaccessible to anyone other than the original owner who has long since departed...

Not to worry, if you have any questions about the correspondence of any individual, just contact the NSA, as they are the repository of ever bit of everything any person has ever written or said.:D
 
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Ha, ha, ha - very good James. I back up all photos to an internal hard drive file and an external hard drive file. I also - periodically - copy all new photos to a DVD. I store all DVD's in a small fire resistant safe. I just hope some of my pics are worth all this effort!!!

As far as future access - - none of my DVD's are password protected. However, there is always the question - in the future will somebody with Operating System - Alpha/Beta/Gamma have access to these DVD's?? Will DVD's still be a viable storage system?? Will anybody really care??
 
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Have prints made or loose them.

It's common for families to have pictures 100+ years old and with technology advancing the rate it is the odds of viewing digitals on equipment 50 years in the future stored on equipment we now have is slim to none. The other aspect of all this is will future generations give a damm what grand dad looked like.
 
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I print the ones I like, back up all images after culling, on two independent hard drives, not on the OS one!, One is a portable, only for images. I don't used cloud type saving as I think they too will fail one way or another, hacked, or something else.

Hard drives are cheap!
 
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Not to worry, if you have any questions about the correspondence of any individual, just contact the NSA, as they are the repository of ever bit of everything any person has ever written or said.:D
That's the government at work!

Unfortunately it requires a court order to retrieve anything.

I print the ones I like, back up all images after culling, on two independent hard drives, not on the OS one!, One is a portable, only for images. I don't used cloud type saving as I think they too will fail one way or another, hacked, or something else.

Hard drives are cheap!
I try and keep them in three places, I once had two places fail within days of each other. But better than hard drives are good archival DVD's (I have had cheap media delaminate after 5 years).
 
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I have a project where I photograph, print and save native wildflowers found on my property. I'm serious about this project so I looked into a printing process that produces long lasting photographs. Wholly, wildfires Batman!!! The cost involved in printing that is expected to last beyond 100 years is astronomic. I print on heavy weight semi-matt paper now. All commercial, professional photographers suggested DVD's. And if/when technology advances beyond DVD you can transfer all to the new technology. Even if a new technology is expensive its not as expensive as saving on long life photo papers.
 
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I have a project where I photograph, print and save native wildflowers found on my property. I'm serious about this project so I looked into a printing process that produces long lasting photographs. Wholly, wildfires Batman!!! The cost involved in printing that is expected to last beyond 100 years is astronomic. I print on heavy weight semi-matt paper now. All commercial, professional photographers suggested DVD's. And if/when technology advances beyond DVD you can transfer all to the new technology. Even if a new technology is expensive its not as expensive as saving on long life photo papers.

I broke down and got a Canon 3880 a couple years back up to 17" X 22", it uses 80ml ink bottles, prints using chrome ink. I just wasn't happy with the level of printing I found in my area, and it makes a difference controlling the process from beginning to end.
Even with the larger bottles, the ink is expensive, I believe it has 9 colors, and if I needed all nine, its close to 5 benny's from B & H
 
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I've got thousands of pictures.
Nobody ever looks at them except me.
When I die, the world will never miss them.
It's best they fade away, just like me.
 
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For sure Tollster - bigger ink bottles doesn't necessarily equal cheaper. A friend with a truly large printer - I think it will print 24 to 30 inches wide and forever in length - has 250ml ink bottles and buys ink by the gallon. He is a pro photographer and does mostly personal portraits in the old earth tones. He buys ink in gallon jugs but its still exceedingly expensive and unless you use a lot of ink it will just dry out and go to waste in large quantities.
 
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Have prints made or loose them.

It's common for families to have pictures 100+ years old and with technology advancing the rate it is the odds of viewing digitals on equipment 50 years in the future stored on equipment we now have is slim to none. The other aspect of all this is will future generations give a damm what grand dad looked like.

Some color prints will last decades, maybe hundreds of years, but those prints are not what one is likely to get from most labs. I have color slides and prints that are degrading after a few decades. I suspect the negatives are trash by now. I do have hundreds of Kodachrome slides that I need to digitize. The slides will last many decades and maybe a century or two if stored correctly but who will be able to scan them in the future. The Kodachrome test targets for scanning are very expensive since they cannot be made anymore and there are fewer and fewer companies making film scanners...

The reason we have so many photos from the 1800 and early 1900s is that the B&W prints are silver based which can last for a very long time. Color prints, not so much. One can get special inks and printers, that if used on the correct paper, will produce a long lived print but one has to do the research. There were lots of problems with prints made on ink jets in the late 90s.

I think computer systems will be able to view JPGs for many decades to come. The format is used all over the place and will not go away. The problem will be the media storing the JPGs. Will the media still be viable in 20 years? Will there even be a system that can read the media? I recently recovered a bunch of papers and data I used in college from some of my 3.5 inch floppies. Many of the diskettes were dead but I managed to recover what I needed. Then I had to find software that would convert the old, no longer supported file formats to a modern format.

I keep my images on DVDs, two PCs, a website and multiple USB drives. One problem I will have is that my images are in a specific file format. I do create JPGs from the camera format, but at some point, the camera format is almost certain to be unreadable due to loss of software.

The other problem is the shear volume of images in the digital age. It is so cheap to take a photo and keep it that one can easily take 1,000s or 10,000s of images on a vacation. You did not do this when an image was costing you $.5-1 in film, developing and printing. Will future generations go through 100K images that grandpa took over a life time?

One of the saddest things I ever saw happened while we were looking to buy land. There was a property that had a house built in 1905 by the father. The property had numerous out buildings as well. The man selling was in his mid to late 80's and I think he was the last surviving child of the man who built the house. The seller was born in the house and the family's first tractor bought in the 20's or 30's was still working and on the place. I was looking in one of the barns and a brother had been really into photography. There were dozens and dozens of slide carousels full of Kodachrome slides. Somebody had knocked some of them off the shelves and onto to floor. I picked those up and put them back in the carousels and back in the boxes. As a photographer, it really pained me to see this guys work treated like this but I suspect that is what happens eventually, one way or the other. Those slides were a recording of the man's life and it was just left in a barn to rot. I don't know if the man had family, maybe he did not, but it still was painful to see his work treated that way. At least my stuff if it is not wanted will just slowly faded away on a disk drive. :shocked:

Image protection, film, slide or digital is a problem. Each format has their own issues.

Later,
Dan
 
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What James said!

But I use Dropbox as well. My wife know how to access and we have no kids, so if we're both gone, who cares?
 

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