Comparison Yanmar lawsuit.

[knotweed]

The lawsuit also requests that all dealers "buy back" what they sold and destroy the units.

 

[knotweed]

The safety issues (as I see it) are the hand throttle direction, seat belt, seat kill switch and roll bar. Anything else?

 

[Car Doc]

The safety issues (as I see it) are the hand throttle direction, seat belt, seat kill switch and roll bar. Anything else?

PTO overrun clutch and English decals is all I can think of.

The seat kill switch isn't a requirement as far as I know on a 30 yo tractor maybe a mower or a brand new machine having an electric PTO may need that elifino?

 

[Car Doc]

The lawsuit also requests that all dealers "buy back" what they sold and destroy the units.

See I told you guys! Now I am waiting for my offer it better be good.

 

[California]

The lawsuit also requests that all dealers "buy back" what they sold and destroy the units.

Can you point us to a reference for this?

 

[clemsonfor]

It all boils down to two issues. Yanmar does not want the liability and wants a piece of the action. If they can shut down the dealers here, then Yanmar can import these units, upgrade them to USA safety requirements and tack on thousands as used Yanmars.

NO one would buy them then! Look at the prices of some of the units in the 30 HP range. Take for example CarDoc, he points out that he could have bought a much newer and more powerfull tractor from one of the big three for what he paid for his yanmar. If they get much more expensive you can just about buy a similar new tractor from one of the other 3.

 

[Car Doc]

It all boils down to two issues. Yanmar does not want the liability and wants a piece of the action. If they can shut down the dealers here, then Yanmar can import these units, upgrade them to USA safety requirements and tack on thousands as used Yanmars.

You know that is getting a bit deep for me to swallow and dont take offense I realize you are repeating (I hope) something you read or was told whether true or not I would love to see it in writing.

With that said they could have done that 25 years ago when the gettin was good and there were premium tractors available in Japan. We have a member here that lives there and he gave the run down that the tractors still available are sparse in Japan.

The fact they are re-launching their US line again would make that a near zero possibility they would sell used refurb grays along with new I just cant buy it sorry. Now like I had mentioned I envisioned them buying them if they wanted all the gray Yanmars out of the US but them destroying them not re-selling them.

We all believe they will have a big piece of the big 3 market these tractors have a good reputation going already all they need to do is compete price wise with the others.

 

[clemsonfor]

How's this all gonna work with Yanmar supplying the engines for the CUT JD tractors will they still do that? Are they going to include the JD 850 950 855 etc yanmar made JD tracotors?

 

[kenmac]

The lawsuit also requests that all dealers "buy back" what they sold and destroy the units.

These dealers would go out of business b-4 they would buy back these tractors

 

[clemsonfor]

Yea buy back hundreds of thousands of tractors and cut them into scrap to make pennies on the invested dollar, all for nothing?

 

[houstonscott]

Turns out that was unlawful for the US Customs Service to do that for Kubota and was a mistake they will not make again.

HS

The Kubota case was described here long ago. To oversimplify: As trademark owner, Kubota got an order for Customs to deny entry to anything with their trademark on it. Some tractors got stranded on the docks and had to be re-exported which got everyone's attention.

Yanmar-USA and Yanmar-Japan don't have the legal standing to do likewise for some reason so about all they could do was request Ebay to de-list Yanmar auctions - and now finally, sue some importers.

Maybe somebody has a link to those old threads.

 

[deepNdirt]

I may be mistaking and please correct if i'm wrong, But I was or am to understand that the Yanmar as well as the gray Kubota's were shipped into the U.S. as tractor (Parts,) this was to get around the red tape of having imported gray market tractor's, but of course once the containers were delivered into the US and the parts were distributed to the Buyers/ Dealerships then the " Parts " are re-assembled and then sold as whole working tractors, ...
So perhaps instead of the dealerships re-assembeling the parts themselves why not remove the yanmar name from the units and sale them as a build it yourself tractor kit, once again getting around the leagality and red tape,...

 

[Soundguy]

Turns out that was unlawful for the US Customs Service to do that for Kubota and was a mistake they will not make again.

HS

how could yanmar have ebay de-list yanmar auctions.. when some models could well be domestic models?

 

[clemsonfor]

Tractors are shipped with tires and fenders off, but that is just so that they can fit more into the container. If you look it up you can find videos on either youtube and pics on some japaneese expoter sites where they show contianers being loaded in this way. They load them on top of the tires and then 2 high.

 

[Scooby074]

Tractors are shipped with tires and fenders off, but that is just so that they can fit more into the container. If you look it up you can find videos on either youtube and pics on some japaneese expoter sites where they show contianers being loaded in this way. They load them on top of the tires and then 2 high.

Ive never seen anybody "cube" tractors before.. They sure jam a lot into a container. Impressive.

 

[California]

how could yanmar have ebay de-list yanmar auctions.. when some models could well be domestic models?

Its real. It's described somewhere in Ebay's FAQ's, maybe under 'Why was my auction removed', and I read through it there back when the Yanmar auctions started disappearing. Auctions for US Yanmars aren't affected. (There's a list on Yanmar's website listing the US Yanmars).

How it works for bootleg CD's, movies etc is there are Intellectual Property specialists who contract to watch Ebay and the internet for any appearance of their client's trademark then they send a nasty letter to the website where the bootleg merchandise was listed. I don't know if the Ebay takedowns are requested by such a specialist, by Yanmar's own attorneys, or by programming Ebay's servers to reject specific models.

 

[California]

Turns out that was unlawful for the US Customs Service to do that for Kubota and was a mistake they will not make again.

HS

Is there some place where we can read more about this reversal?

Has importation of gray Kubotas resumed or is there now some other mechanism preventing it?

 

[California]

The safety issues (as I see it) are the hand throttle direction, seat belt, seat kill switch and roll bar. Anything else?

PTO overrun clutch and English decals is all I can think of.

Clutch safety switch. (In the wire between keyswitch and starter). One more: the multi - speed pto. 540 and sometimes 1000 rpm are the standard rear pto speeds on the US Yanmars.

 

[clemsonfor]

Is there some place where we can read more about this reversal?

Has importation of gray Kubotas resumed or is there now some other mechanism preventing it?

The only obvious grey kubotas i have seen have been in the US for awhile based on the folks selling them. You read things like had this tractor 15 years and only done....

 

[California]

Tractors are shipped with tires and fenders off, but that is just so that they can fit more into the container. ... They load them on top of the tires and then 2 high.

Ive never seen anybody "cube" tractors before.. They sure jam a lot into a container. [video attached]

I saw them arrive like that at the local VN importer. Except the carpentry wasn't that great and some of the the lower tractors had dented hoods, scuff marks etc where the load settled.

My RS1400 tiller must have come over in a poured-in load like that shipper's second container. I bought the importer's most weathered looking tiller because it was cheapest. Its adjustment wheel on top was crushed flat. But for $200 including a full set of replacement tines - which it doesn't need yet - it was worth it to straighten the wheel. The wheel straightened out fine. They even included a pto shaft extender, while I think the problem is my 3-point arms are longer than standard. I don't think we will see bargains like this again.