Yanmar connecting rod replacement

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You're lucky!

Here it feels like the end of the world. That the climate change disaster just hit us headon. These news photos - 50 miles apart - represent all of Northern California while the Camp Fire burns 150 miles north of us. 42 dead so far and sure to be more found. No rain since Easter, none forecast, just low humidity and high winds returning to where this fire began. Breathing here feels like when you use too much Clorox cleaning the shower. I read that Sacramento is handing out particulate masks, the same ones firefighters use, free at all firehouses. There's no place to get away from it.

Southern California is similar, and with the celebrities down there it probably gets more news coverage. I read a quarter million people were under evacuation orders there at one point.

"May you live in interesting times".


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No rain since easter!!! :drink:id gladly give you some. We probably had more than 3 inches this week! A few before that and a few before that. Woods are geting to be a mess, loggers are struggking to find logable ground. Hopefully the price of my tracks sell good in the next few weeks. Im selling sand land tracks or all weather. Basically.
 
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I don't think any of the English service manuals cover the 88mm version (2tr20). Your service manual is for the 90mm version (2tr20A). If you swap the pistons, sleeves, and head gasket together you can use either size in that engine.

Just use the wear limits as the guide and ignore the 88 or 90mm part. For example, according to the service manual, the wear limit for the 84mm engine's piston is 83.8. The wear limit for the 90mm is 89.8. So... it makes sense that the wear limit for the 88mm would be 87.8.

So I just got the piston to bore clearance and the front piston to bore top is .008, center is .0066, bottom is .0056 the rear piston to bore top is .0092, center is .008, and bottom is .0074 so I am within the worn spec. Should I just re-ring it and do a light hone?
 
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So I just got the piston to bore clearance and the front piston to bore top is .008, center is .0066, bottom is .0056 the rear piston to bore top is .0092, center is .008, and bottom is .0074 so I am within the worn spec. Should I just re-ring it and do a light hone?

Do non U.S. 2tr20a engines have 88mm bores? I though all the 2tr20a have 90mm just stumped as to why I have 88mm.
 
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Do non U.S. 2tr20a engines have 88mm bores? I though all the 2tr20a have 90mm just stumped as to why I have 88mm.

According to Aaron , like he said if you swap it all, head, gasket, liners and pistons you can put 88 in a 90 engine. Who knows what was done to it before it got crammed in a container and sent over here?:confused3:
 
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Here is link to some more pictures. https://imgur.com/a/OenSHGu
 
/ Yanmar connecting rod replacement #26  
So I just got the piston to bore clearance and the front piston to bore top is .008, center is .0066, bottom is .0056 the rear piston to bore top is .0092, center is .008, and bottom is .0074 so I am within the worn spec. Should I just re-ring it and do a light hone?

For what it's worth that is what I would do.
 
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#27  
For what it's worth that is what I would do.

Based on the numbers I have .0024 taper on rear and .0018 taper on front which is it horrible but pistons are a little loose but it痴 not a big deal. I知 going to re-ring it and fix bearings.
 
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#28  
I was think that I may just buy oversized pistons from hoyetractor and just hone my sleeves for next size
 
/ Yanmar connecting rod replacement #29  
I was think that I may just buy oversized pistons
They don't make oversize pistons for the models with sleeves.
 
/ Yanmar connecting rod replacement #30  
Do non U.S. 2tr20a engines have 88mm bores? I though all the 2tr20a have 90mm just stumped as to why I have 88mm.

Is that by chance a Vietnam recon tractor? We used to read stories about them rebuilding with whatever they had on hand and later parts replacement did not match up. Did it look like it had been apart before, or do you know any history?
 
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They don't make oversize pistons for the models with sleeves.
Sorry I meant that I was going to buy 2tr20a 90mm pistons and hone my 88mm bores for 90mm pistons. My machine shop said that they can use a hone to oversized it.
 
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Is that by chance a Vietnam recon tractor? We used to read stories about them rebuilding with whatever they had on hand and later parts replacement did not match up. Did it look like it had been apart before, or do you know any history?

It痴 definitely been apart before, had red gasket crap everywhere. Any way to know if it was a Vietnam recon tractor? I知 not really sure what that even is lol. The head gasket has been reused before as well as literally every other gasket on this.
 
/ Yanmar connecting rod replacement #33  
No way to know unless it came with a Vn or Bulldog loader. They usually came with a great paint job but sometimes botched parts replacement, (as apparently in your case). Being a 40 year-old tractor I would just re-ring with 88mm rings, light hone, (crosshatch), rod bearings, 2tr-20A HG and your new rod. You never said what was actually wrong with your rod. They are practically indestructible unless the bearing knotch is buggered
 
/ Yanmar connecting rod replacement #34  
Any way to know if it was a Vietnam recon tractor? I'm not really sure what that even is lol. The head gasket has been reused before as well as literally every other gasket on this.
Gaskets re-used strongly suggests that origin!

10~20 years ago before Yanmar-USA sued importers to halt importation of used tractors, there were two primary sources here for YM2000 and other models originally sold to the Japan domestic market:

1) Used tractors from Japan. Their tax laws encourage replacement long before a Yanmar is worn out. And the trade-ins there are near-valueless locally (tax law, and a culture valuing new) so a strong export market began, to ship out these good used tractors at a time when family one-tractor farming there was declining. Just ordinary used-equipment exporting.

Then 2): currency exchange rates changed and the exporters ran out of good trade-ins so prices rose. A new market appeared: shops in VN that rebuilt tractors that had a first life in Japan then were run in VN until they wouldn't run any more. Some of these gorgeous repainted 'rebuilts' were 'Frankensteinmars' assembled out of unidentified and unrelated parts.

One former US importer who chose his own imports personally in Japan said he saw literal junk tractor components jammed into ocean containers to go to VN, for parts to build the Frankensteinmars. He said they might as well stand the container on end and pour in the junk assemblies - disassembled transmissions, disassembled engines, etc. - all going to the VN rebuild shops. There is no legal access in VN to buy genuine Yanmar parts for these rebuilds. So everything that comes from the VN rebuilders is made from used stuff or at best third-party parts. Worst case, parts where they handed some kid a file and a block of steel and told him to fabricate something that was unobtainable. With no model to work from.

So a VN rebuild is a gamble. Most people came out ok ... But - I often visited a US branch owned by one of those VN rebuilders that wholesaled 200-400 rebuilts per month (according to them). Long story short, the individuals running it were honest and got buried by so many warranty returns that they made good on, that it bankrupted them. I recall the manager said her brother went back to VN to plead for better quality shipped over but that didn't help. They simply disappeared one day.

A real Yanmar tractor is excellent, near indestructible, even if its old. A VN rebuilt can have its own personality - some good, some not so good.

If I'm reading your posts correctly it seems you have an engine originally from one series (YM1900?) in a later (YM2000) series tractor. Or maybe somebody hung YM2000 sheet metal on a YM1900. In any case its maintainable, just a little confusing to find the right parts.
 
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bridgeport13b - if you have the patience to read another of my longwinded rants :) here's one where I ran through a half dozen transactions - US parts, unidentifiable parts pulled from a VN rebuilt, finally Hoye (good) parts, before I got my YM240 fuel system back to what it had been before the prior owner threw away the OEM fuel filter system.

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/yanmar/85805-ordered-yanmar-today-4.html#post985572

I expect you may have some experiences like this, nuisance but not expensive, but it is worthwhile to bring these back to OEM specs.

Here's the photo in that thread where the fuel filter assembly I saw removed from a YM2000 warranty return VN 'rebuilt' (gorgeous paint, but it threw a rod) ... wouldn't accept any known filter element so I bought a new bowl along with the element, from Hoye to get this resolved. I never have learned what that bogus short bowl was originally used on.

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Is that by chance a Vietnam recon tractor? We used to read stories about them rebuilding with whatever they had on hand and later parts replacement did not match up. Did it look like it had been apart before, or do you know any history?

that is kind of what i was getting at with my last post!
 
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bridgeport13b - if you have the patience to read another of my longwinded rants :) here's one where I ran through a half dozen transactions - US parts, unidentifiable parts pulled from a VN rebuilt, finally Hoye (good) parts, before I got my YM240 fuel system back to what it had been before the prior owner threw away the OEM fuel filter system.

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/yanmar/85805-ordered-yanmar-today-4.html#post985572

I expect you may have some experiences like this, nuisance but not expensive, but it is worthwhile to bring these back to OEM specs.

Here's the photo in that thread where the fuel filter assembly I saw removed from a YM2000 warranty return VN 'rebuilt' (gorgeous paint, but it threw a rod) ... wouldn't accept any known filter element so I bought a new bowl along with the element, from Hoye to get this resolved. I never have learned what that bogus short bowl was originally used on.

61786d1159379481-ordered-yanmar-today-img_3186rfuelfilter2-jpg
probably some other Japanese tractor that just happened to have the same diameter bowl.

@Bridgeport, California didn't spell it out just out of habbit and all us who have been around a little while know what he is talking about but VN=Vietnam. Just in case you still didn't know what that meant.
 
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No way to know unless it came with a Vn or Bulldog loader. They usually came with a great paint job but sometimes botched parts replacement, (as apparently in your case). Being a 40 year-old tractor I would just re-ring with 88mm rings, light hone, (crosshatch), rod bearings, 2tr-20A HG and your new rod. You never said what was actually wrong with your rod. They are practically indestructible unless the bearing knotch is buggered

Appreciate the help and info, back on what happened I had a rod knock rod was pretty blue. Anyways I am going to bring crank to crank grinder.
 

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