Comparison Yanamar LX4900 HST vs Kioti Dk45se HST

[Poopdeck Pappy]

Help me, I am a newbee..what do I use two for? Seems I have one installed for the backhoe, will be adding a line to the loader so i can use a grapple. but why else two?

Anything that uses the hydraulics. For example, I have two sets of remotes. I use one for my grapple. I use the other for the hydraulic rippers on my box blade. So I have no hydraulic remotes left to use without disconnecting my grapple or my box blade.

So, if I want to use a hydraulic toplink without disconnecting the grapple or box blade, I've got to add another set of remotes. If I want a hydraulic top AND tilt (2 cylinders - one for the top link and one for a lift arm), then I either have to unhook BOTH the grapple and the box blade, or I've got to add two sets of remotes.

Hydraulic remotes are like tractors. You never know what you'd use an extra one for until you have it. Then (1) you can't figure out how you ever got along with out it, and (2) you want more.

 

[hnicols]

Katahdin,

Thanks for all the help. I went back today and looked at both. I still am torn. I like the level indicator better on the Yanmar but the Kioti also has the rear PTO control (which I can really see as useful) and the rear float. Otherwise I see as pretty even. I may let money decide art some point but have some negotiating to do.

 

[murphy1244]

Katahdin,

Thanks for all the help. I went back today and looked at both. I still am torn. I like the level indicator better on the Yanmar but the Kioti also has the rear PTO control (which I can really see as useful) and the rear float. Otherwise I see as pretty even. I may let money decide art some point but have some negotiating to do.

whats rear float?

 

[scoutcub]

For a grapple, I added the front aux hydraulics from Yanmar. Pretty easy to install, and the kit has a replacement loader joystick with a button on it that opens/ closes the grapple.

 

[motownbrowne]

whats rear float?

I'm not sure, but I think he might be talking about draft control. That's what it sounds like from his earlier mention of it.

 

[TSO]

One thing not yet mentioned is a feature that I just realized that the Yanmar has ... called "Synchro Throttle". It's something that only a few companies have, and I've really come to like it on my Massey.

Basically, it ties your engine RPM to your hydro pedals, so that your RPM's are always adjusted to whichever engine speed is required for your ground travel speed (dictated by how much you push the pedals), but otherwise you can leave the RPM's at idle.

It almost acts like a gear/shuttle pedal. If you haven't used the feature yet, try it. Kubota (with HST plus), Massey, Yanmar, and possibly Deere (not sure) have it.

 

[scoutcub]

Yes, forgot to mention that.....the snycro throttle is a great feature. And has a switch to engage/disengage it. I also got the cruise control installed....

 

[scoutcub]

Yes, I forgot to mention the synchro throttle.....it's a great feature, and I use it all the time. I has a switch where you can engage/disengage it. I also opted for the cruise control.....

 

[scoutcub]

Oops, sorry guyz.......iPad locked up......

 

[hnicols]

whats rear float?

Draft control . Sorry.

 

[TomSeller]

They are going to have to start offering a week long class on how to use all of the features in these new tractors.

 

[Katahdin]

Draft control...what is that? A cup holder for your beer? Yeah, the Yanmar has one of those. :laughing: I'm not sure why Yanmar missed that one, but admittedly it wasn't a feature I was familiar with or looking for when I was tractor shopping.

I'm not sure I'd like the auto-pto-shut-off cycling on and off at full PTO speed for brush cutting. I imagine you'd break a shear pin, or if the swinging blades get stuck together and send the rotational forces off balance that would make for an unpleasant experience. I always thought the correct operation of the PTO was to power down your engine RPMs before turning it off and on, that's also what I've read in the brush cutter and tiller manuals anyway.

 

[hnicols]

Re: Yanamar LX4900 HST --- Bought it1

Finally pulled the trigger. Thanks all for the help.

Yesterday I put down my deposit on a new (2013) Yanmar LX4900HST TLB. Wont get it for three weeks or so (waiting for the snow to go and some additions to be made -- dual rear hydraulics and a line for a grapple bucket). So will probably spend a few days sorting out implements, but a grapple will be one of them! Really did appreciate the guidance in response to my questions and all i learned reading through other threads.

 

[Katahdin]

Awesome, that's going to be one sweet tractor! Please post pics when you get it! :thumbsup:

 

[TSO]

Re: Yanamar LX4900 HST --- Bought it1

Finally pulled the trigger. Thanks all for the help.

Yesterday I put down my deposit on a new (2013) Yanmar LX4900HST TLB. Wont get it for three weeks or so (waiting for the snow to go and some additions to be made -- dual rear hydraulics and a line for a grapple bucket). So will probably spend a few days sorting out implements, but a grapple will be one of them! Really did appreciate the guidance in response to my questions and all i learned reading through other threads.

Congrats, nice setup. I would definitely have considered the Yanmar/CC when I was shopping IF they offered a factory cab option.

Mind telling us the price breakdown, for the tractor, plus the BH ?

 

[k0ua]

Re: Yanamar LX4900 HST --- Bought it1

Finally pulled the trigger. Thanks all for the help.

Yesterday I put down my deposit on a new (2013) Yanmar LX4900HST TLB. Wont get it for three weeks or so (waiting for the snow to go and some additions to be made -- dual rear hydraulics and a line for a grapple bucket). So will probably spend a few days sorting out implements, but a grapple will be one of them! Really did appreciate the guidance in response to my questions and all i learned reading through other threads.

Congratulations on your new machine, show us some pix when you get it, and some action pictures later on.

 

[hnicols]

Will send pics as soon as I receive tractor. As to pricing, I was asked not to share (and I said I wouldn't). Maybe I shouldn't have said that but once I did I kind of keep my promises. But my sense from having looked at all I could find on the net, I think the tractor was at the lower end of what I have seen published or, on contact with sellers, offered by others for a like all cash deal for a 2013 yanmar. So I guess I did ok but then gave back anything I saved and more in dual rear remotes, front hydraulic adds wight three function remote. And then implements really racked it up. But at end of day, it wasn't price that tipped it. Kioti was actually a little better on price and a couple of features. Just after multiple quick rides, the Yanmar just felt better.

Next I need to think about a structure that isn't too expensive where I can keep all of this stuff.

 

[k0ua]

Will send pics as soon as I receive tractor. As to pricing, I was asked not to share (and I said I wouldn't). Maybe I shouldn't have said that but once I did I kind of keep my promises. But my sense from having looked at all I could find on the net, I think the tractor was at the lower end of what I have seen published or, on contact with sellers, offered by others for a like all cash deal for a 2013 yanmar. So I guess I did ok but then gave back anything I saved and more in dual rear remotes, front hydraulic adds wight three function remote. And then implements really racked it up. But at end of day, it wasn't price that tipped it. Kioti was actually a little better on price and a couple of features. Just after multiple quick rides, the Yanmar just felt better.

Next I need to think about a structure that isn't too expensive where I can keep all of this stuff.

This is what I did a Carolina Carport for the Kioti Den

Carolina Carports - Product view

 

[Gittyup]

I did the same for my toys (not the tractor). Cheapest option out there. Mine is 20 x 27 x 9 high, open both ends. Cost $2500. Holds a lot of stuff.

This is what I did a Carolina Carport for the Kioti Den

Carolina Carports - Product view


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[TomSeller]

I did the same for my toys (not the tractor). Cheapest option out there. Mine is 20 x 27 x 9 high, open both ends. Cost $2500.

great value. Nice