XJ2025H not enough lift strength

[tomplum]

I would go with your gut on what you saw on the oil level and watch it. Now, that level should be checked cold- or at least after the tractor has sat for 20 minutes. Also ask them at least to do a pressure test on the hydraulics at the loader valve.

 

[tomplum]

How did you come out?

 

[CMV]

They said it was fixed....but said that last week too. So will see when I pick up on Saturday.

Said it was loose bolts on one side of loader frame.......reinstalled with loctite and bucket perfectly level now. So will see. I think that was one of your suggestions from earlier....should have tried messing with it more myself and maybe would have saved some aggravation....

 

[CMV]

So seems strong enough....got a new IBC tote and was able to lift it with ~80 gal. Pallet forks - 305, empty tote - 175, 80 gal water - 670 = 1,105 lbs. From bed of truck, couldn't curl back and had to keep bumping loader stick to "nudge" tote up 1/2" at a time. But it did eventually lift it enough to unload truck suspension and clear bed to pull off without dragging. Since that weight is spread out 4' on the forks, I'm going to assume that's what it should be able to do.

The loader is still unlevel. Not taking back to dealer since they "fixed" it twice already.... Does seem better, but right arm still a little lower. And lifting the tote, was still wanting to lift left side a little more than right.

 

[tomplum]

I noted too that bumping the control boosts the pressure up on the gauge each time. Gnarly bar for digging you've got there!

 

[jdom84]

I noticed this also ... I should really get a pressure gauge on this tractor soon... Hydro relief valves can start leaking far before max pressure is reached. I think they call it cracking open, so sudden bumps will hit a higher pressure for a second.

 

[HP942]

825 lbs is pretty good for this tractor... you get 1270 right at the pins at full height. It can lift more at ground level but your 800 lbs is spread out over the length of your forks..? the further the load sticks out the less the tractor can lift at heights.

To test your hydraulic cylinders you could un pin them and see if you can pull it out or push it in by hand. If you can, The seal is bad or worse, piston is broken.

To adjust your relief pressure, its under the seat on the right side. Simply loosen the lock nut and turn in the set screw 1/4 - 1/2 turn but wouldn't go any further unless you have a gauge.

Old thread resurfaces- So if I’m reading this right LS lists their loader specs at full height? My old 37hp JD tractor only lifts 910 at full height and and LS XJ2025 lists 1270. In theory it should lift more than the old green Deere?

 

[kormidoit]

I posted before about feeling that the breakout/lift force on my loader seemed a little light. Also about how when I set the bucket or loader arms down on level surface, the right one hits first by about an inch or so.

Well, today I was moving and IBC tote with water and the platform it sits on. Here's what it did/didn't do:

First was moving the platform which consists of 12 typical cinder blocks and a 4x4 sheet of 1/2" PT plywood. I wanted to relocate, so I put on the pallet forks, put the plywood on the forks, then stacked the 12 cinder blocks on. I could not curl back the forks any or lift from the ground. A heavy cinder block is around 40 lbs (I think) and these are nothing special - just plain old cinder blocks that Lowe's sells. I do have a pretty stout SSQA pallet fork rig. 300-325 lbs. 12 blocks is 480 lbs more, & then whatever 1/2 sheet of plywood weighs. Basically, 800-825 lbs was the load. And my loader arms wouldn't budge it. Had to off load a few blocks and then still it really struggled just to get up up enough to drive to new location.

SO after that it was time to unload the IBC tote from bed of my truck. Now, not being stupid, I didn't fill the tote with 275 gal of water since I know there's no way my little tractor could deal with that. I had about 125 gal in it, and not thinking ahead, figured 1050 lbs of water + 100 for the tote should be right at what I can lift. However, I wasn't thinking about the weight of the forks. So my mistake. Easy enough, just dump some water out. I ended up needing to let out enough to where only 75 gal remained. SO that put the load with forks and all around 1060. And it still wouldn't lift. I could keep trying and got it to bump up just enough to slide it off tailgate. lowered it, and from ground would not lift it. Had it all the way back on the forks too- not sticking far out making it harder to lift. Ended up having wife work loader stick while I lifted on the tote to get it to creep up to height....

I remember reading when I was complaining before (from I think Tom Plum) that there is an adjustment at the loader joystick to relieve/increase/something pressure to set the breakout and lift force appropriately. All I saw that I thought was it was a lock nut with an allen head screw directly below the loader joystick. Not knowing which way to turn it or how much, I screwed it in a little, tried, screwed in a little more, tried, etc. Didn't seem to make any difference.

Here is what I did notice getting the tote out of the truck though. Level ground. The left side was picking up more than right side. Noticeable amount. When I did get it coaxed up enough to barely get it out of truck bed, it was at an angle with left side a few inches higher than right. That has me thinking that the issue is the right arm cylinder isn't doing it's job - left one probably doing what it should, right is working at reduced capacity, making overall lift/breakout force lower than should be and causing left side to lift more than right. Could also be why right side wants to hit ground slightly ahead of left too.

No idea how to diagnose, measure, or tell exactly what problem is. I know nothing about hydraulics other than they magically move fluid to do work. I'm not expecting my little tractor to handle a cu yd sized bucket of dirt or lift a ton on pallet forks. But do think I should be able to break out with full scoop of loose dirt taken from bottom of a pile or lift <1100 lbs load....

"Also about how when I set the bucket or loader arms down on level surface, the right one hits first by about an inch or so."
SO.....I have a New MT225S and just got done with the 50hr.service....Last month I called the dealer and advise him of the EXACT same issue as what u described. He advised that one are may be bent....Not a bend, tweek, scratch, or bump in sight. But the left side of the bucket is approx. 1 inch higher than the right. Bugs the crap out of me.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

"Also about how when I set the bucket or loader arms down on level surface, the right one hits first by about an inch or so."
SO.....I have a New MT225S and just got done with the 50hr.service....Last month I called the dealer and advise him of the EXACT same issue as what u described. He advised that one are may be bent....Not a bend, tweek, scratch, or bump in sight. But the left side of the bucket is approx. 1 inch higher than the right. Bugs the crap out of me.

My neighbor bought the 225s and had the same issue. When he took it back for service, the dealer loosened all the loader mounts and 'realigned' the loader. Came back perfectly level and has not changed over the last 8 months.

 

[HP942]

I am going to pick up my new to me XJ2025 next week. Where is this mythical loader screw that need 1/2 turn to make things better. Are there more than one and easy to find?