WR Long vs Titan Tooth Bar

[N80]

Looking to get a tooth bar for my Kubota L4400 w/ 6' bucket. Not interested in a Piranha.

The Titan bar is heavier, has 7 teeth but does not look as well made in the photos as the WR Long. It weighs 99 pounds.

The WR Long appears significantly better made. The bar is beveled. The welds look better. It has 8 teeth. It weighs 70 pounds.

Both come with free shipping. Both made in USA. Here is the catch: The Titan is $189. The WR Long is $423. That is a huge price difference. I understand that the Titan may have cheaper teeth, cheaper welds and maybe even lower quality steel....but it is 30 pounds heavier even with one less tooth....and less than HALF the price.

Would love to hear some thoughts and some experience folks may have with these. I'm leaning toward the WR Long just because I know I will abuse the heck out of this thing and want it to hold up.

 

[tjkubota93]

I have a piranha.

But if shipping and attaching it is the same I would get the cheap (probably chinese) one. If you aren't using it to make a living it won't matter. What's the worst that could happen? (Famous last words) it's not gonna blow up and total your tractor out. It will probably wear out quicker.

 

[teg]

I don't know if this is the one you are looking at: Amazon.com: Titan 60" Bucket 23TF Tooth Bar Universal Size Skid Steer Tractor USA Made: Home Improvement

But that looks very cheap vs. WR Long. I have WR Long and it looks much better than the link above... IF you plan to abuse, yes, go with WR Long!

EDIT, I could not find what the Titan is rated for... WR Long has "...lift capacities up to 3,500 pounds..."

 

[N80]

That is the one I was looking at but 72". Titan gives no ratings but the shanks appear thinner. My tractor is only rated at 1500# though. And the Titan is heavier and I thought I saw that they were made in US. So, it is all hard to figure. If the prices were close the Long would be a no brainer. As it is I could get two of the Titans and still have money left over! Titan will also deliver to your door. Free. With the Long I'll have to go through a dealer. The local JD dealer sells them so I'll have to go by and check their price.

The other selling point for the Long is that they custom make it to fit your actual bucket width. Titan does not. If it was a little small, no big deal, just add a few washers. But if it was even a tiny bit too big that could be a problem.

 

[teg]

I've been to WR Long factory in Tarboro, NC, good people. When I looked to see about Titan Distributors, I didn't see any manufacturing info. Just warehouse shipping and sales force. Could not confirm it's made here or if it's just imported in.

 

[msb1766]

Here is where I got mine:Bucket Forks, Tractor Forks, Loader Forks by Bucket Solutions

List of toothbars:Order | Toothbar

 

[amigauser]

All Titan stuff is Chinese made. I have been happy with their stuff for my use (list in my signature below). Not close to WR Long quality but like previously stated you can purchase two of their bars for the price of one WR Long. I previously had a Piranha on my L3240 and plan to get the same for the B2601.

 

[Aquamoose]

Any regrets with any of the tooth bars?

 

[N80]

I've only ordered one other thing from Titan. It is a three point hitch assembly for a ball hitch/trailer moving. It was $55, no shipping, arrived in three days. It is as well made as, or better than, most of the others I've seen and priced (in that weight range) and was literally 1/3rd the price of everything else, even other Chinese stuff. So that experience with Titan has been exceptional.

What I think I'm seeing here is, to me, the worst possible scenario: Good solid, locally made stuff which (in my opinion) is a bit overpriced VS cheap Chinese stuff which will probably work just as well that is properly priced.

Even if the WR Long was just $100 more it would be a no brainer. But again, it is $235 more.

 

[teg]

...Even if the WR Long was just $100 more it would be a no brainer. But again, it is $235 more.

I hear you... You would like to buy American but can't afford it. I got lucky and found mine on Craig's List for $100... another no brainer! Let us know how it works out for you...

 

[ProjectKing]

Looking to get a tooth bar for my Kubota L4400 w/ 6' bucket. Not interested in a Piranha.

The Titan bar is heavier, has 7 teeth but does not look as well made in the photos as the WR Long. It weighs 99 pounds.

The WR Long appears significantly better made. The bar is beveled. The welds look better. It has 8 teeth. It weighs 70 pounds.

Both come with free shipping. Both made in USA. Here is the catch: The Titan is $189. The WR Long is $423. That is a huge price difference. I understand that the Titan may have cheaper teeth, cheaper welds and maybe even lower quality steel....but it is 30 pounds heavier even with one less tooth....and less than HALF the price.

Would love to hear some thoughts and some experience folks may have with these. I'm leaning toward the WR Long just because I know I will abuse the heck out of this thing and want it to hold up.

I'm curious... why don't you want a Piranha tooth bar?

 

[N80]

First, I don't need anything for cutting through brush. Second, with my clay I need actual teeth. Third, a lot of what I will be doing with the 'teeth' is moving brush and small logs after a recent timber thinning. So longer teeth will be better for the type of 'raking' and gathering I need to do. Finally I'm not sure what it is supposed to do other than cut through brush. I realize it presents less surface area to help with digging (which is the primary purpose of any type of teeth) but actual teeth will present a more concentrated surface area for breaking hard soil. I do not intend this post as a discussion on the merits of the Piranha, but it has pretty much run its course so feel free if you wish but I have made my mind up now for the WR Long tooth bar.

Edit: I removed part of my assessment of the Piranha because it was not based on experience or fact and was unfair.

 

[teg]

I know you are not talking to me but here are my reasons... :2cents: I hook a chain to my teeth to pick up objects all the time, you can not do that with a Piranha. I pick out single rocks with the outside tooth to extract the rock without tearing up the whole area. Lastly, and this is little unique to me, is the tooth bar helps with holding crap with my grapple. I can pick up most of my attachments with just the center tooth inserted where the top link goes and clamping it down with the grapple.

It's a different tool! By the way, tooth bar sucks at cutting brush at ground level!

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PS. That's a WR Long grapple bolted on the bucket.

 

[ProjectKing]

First, I don't need anything for cutting through brush. Second, with my clay I need actual teeth. Third, a lot of what I will be doing with the 'teeth' is moving brush and small logs after a recent timber thinning. So longer teeth will be better for the type of 'raking' and gathering I need to do. Finally, and I'm probably wrong about this, but the Piranha bar looks like a gimmick to me. I'm not sure what it is supposed to do other than cut through brush. I realize it presents less surface area to help with digging (which is the primary purpose of any type of teeth) but actual teeth will present a more concentrated surface area for breaking hard soil. I do not intend this post as a discussion on the merits of the Piranha, but it has pretty much run its course so feel free if you wish but I have made my mind up now for the WR Long tooth bar.

Hey it's a free country. No problem! (0: Everyone likes different things and has different uses for equipment.

I have two Piranha's... one on a 6' bucket and one on the 60" bucket in the pic. Two different tractors. They work excellent for doing cutting into sod, ripping out bushes and digging in dirt. They are also excellent at back dragging. I never take them off.

My friend has a Long tooth bar on this L39 Backhoe. He hates it. Terrible for back dragging. I have run it too... it works good for digging but no good for back dragging... and I think the Piranha digs better.

 

[N80]

Why would the tooth bar be bad for back dragging? I'm not talking about dirt, I'm talking about branches and logging debris.

I think the tooth bar will be better than the Piranha for digging in my clay, which is usually more like concrete and laced with rocks. But I could be totally wrong.

 

[teg]

Also, serious back dragging (lifting front tires off the ground) should use the heal (backside) of the bucket. You can bend your curl cylinders using the front tip of the bucket. If you are just lightly dragging or raking, no problem.

 

[nybirdman]

I purchased a tooth-bar from Markum Welding(don't think they are still in business) in 2009 and paid $369 for it.Looks like WR Long has taken over for price and quality.I tend to purchase U.S.A made if possible and support our country and people and not China's.
Looks like the Piranha is a "different" tool and may have it's uses but for straight up digging I think a tooth-bar would be superior.

 

[CADplans]

I think I ended up with the best of both worlds,,
my tooth bar is fabricated using the technique that the Piranha uses
but,,
my tooth bar has actual "teeth" like the Titan,,,

The "teeth" are flame cut into a piece of cutting edge.

The tooth bar came from a CAT dealer,, I think it was a skidsteer accessory.
I got it new from CAT,, but there was no name,, etc,, on it.

The bar slips over my existing cutting edge, 2 bolts hold it in the bucket.
Actually, after the tooth bar has been installed for a couple hours of use, I think I could remove the bolts and still use the tooth bar, it would stay on the bucket. I got to hit it about 6 times with an eight pound sledge to get it off the bucket.

Oh, yea,,, I back drag, front drag, dig, pry, and everything else with this tooth bar.

 

[ProjectKing]

Why would the tooth bar be bad for back dragging? I'm not talking about dirt, I'm talking about branches and logging debris.

I think the tooth bar will be better than the Piranha for digging in my clay, which is usually more like concrete and laced with rocks. But I could be totally wrong.

The teeth hangs down below the front of the bucket on his loader. So the bottom is no longer flat.

Here's a pic that shows teeth hanging below.

 

[Gordon Gould]

I back drag with my WR Long tooth bar all the time. I think it is easier and makes a better job with a tooth bar vs just a cutting edge. You can make a flatter surface by exposing the teeth to scarify or groove the area and then hide the teeth to fill the grooves with the loose material.



As far as WR Long vs Titan only you can do the money trade-off but to me that extra tooth is worth a lot when it comes to actually using the teeth to dig, rake, or pick up stuff.

gg