Workmaster 60 dies in neutral

[OFarrell]

I'm have a weird problem with my Workmaster 60. The engine dies when the clutch is released and the range selector is in neutral. I can start it in neutral and it will run with the clutch depressed but if I don't shift to lo or hi in about three seconds the tractor shuts off. If I hold the clutch down it will continue run in hi, lo or neutral. I have replaced the range switch and clutch switch. Any suggestions before I tow it to the dealer.

 

[TractorTech]

I don't know the WSM's from New Holland, but does it have a seat switch?

 

[OFarrell]

I don't know the WSM's from New Holland, but does it have a seat switch?

Yes it does have a seat switch. The switch works though. If a range is selected and I get off of it, the engine dies.

 

[TractorTech]

So as your weight shifts, the switch reacts to the range position. I am thinking that as you change your body posture by releasing the clutch, it doesn't have enough weight on the switch and shuts the engine off. Just like when you leave the seat. Just spitballing, but those switches are a real nuisance.

 

[OFarrell]

So as your weight shifts, the switch reacts to the range position. I am thinking that as you change your body posture by releasing the clutch, it doesn't have enough weight on the switch and shuts the engine off. Just like when you leave the seat. Just spitballing, but those switches are a real nuisance.

I hear what you are saying and the seat works when the tractor is in gear(engine shuts off when inget up) but it's dying when the shifter is in neutral. The seat switch position shouldn't matter in neutral. You should be able to leave the seat with the engine running when the range is in neutral. That's how it's worked the last 500 hours. I'll unhook it and override it just to be sure.

 

[TractorTech]

I hear what you are saying and the seat works when the tractor is in gear(engine shuts off when inget up) but it's dying when the shifter is in neutral. The seat switch position shouldn't matter in neutral. You should be able to leave the seat with the engine running when the range is in neutral. That's how it's worked the last 500 hours. I'll unhook it and override it just to be sure.

Gotcha. Just trying to understand all situations.

 

[OFarrell]

Gotcha. Just trying to understand all situations.

I got my hands on a shop manual. The trouble shooting page leads me to three things, range switch (I know this is good), safety module, and 3A diode. I can't find anything else in the manual that shows where the 3A diode is or what the safety module consists of.

 

[TractorTech]

According to the parts diagram, the diode is in the electrical panel probably under the dash cowl. 17 is a relay layout and shows a Safety Run relay that might be the safety module. 18 is the 3A diode. Might be that shape, but not what I would expect.

 

[Torvy]

It's a Workmaster. Neutral is not where it wants to be!

 

[OFarrell]

According to the parts diagram, the diode is in the electrical panel probably under the dash cowl. 17 is a relay layout and shows a Safety Run relay that might be the safety module. 18 is the 3A diode. Might be that shape, but not what I would expect.

Thank you sir. The relay in the safety circuit or module was bad. Popped a new one in and back in business. Back to loading logs on the sawmill.

 

[TractorTech]

Thank you sir. The relay in the safety circuit or module was bad. Popped a new one in and back in business. Back to loading logs on the sawmill.

De nada! That is what we are all here to figure out together! Glad I could help

 

[klancf51]

got my hands on a shop manual. The trouble shooting page leads me to three things, range switch (I know this is good), safety module, and 3A diode. I can't find anything else in the manual that shows where the 3A diode is or what the safety module consists of.

The Farmall A electrical diagram shows the 3A diode (part 84209114) connected across terminals 30 & 86 of the STOP LIGHT relay (i.e. rear stop lights).. You might want to try swapping the WORK LIGHT relay with the SAFETY RUN relay to test it. The 3A diode connector is as shown below. Hope this helps.

 

[keithf1hunting]

Thank you sir. The relay in the safety circuit or module was bad. Popped a new one in and back in business. Back to loading logs on the sawmill.

Do you remember which relay it was. I'm having the same issue. Every gear is in neutral but tractor shuts off when I get off the seat.

 

[scottu5]

Hello,

In the event you don't receive an answer from the poster..

Left front of machine are 2 relay/fuse boxes. Box closest to the seat (back of machine and has fuses in top half ) has a relay labeled "Safety Run" (bottom right- see attached pics).

 

[keithf1hunting]

Thanks that fixed it. 5th factory relay I have had to change in the last 2 years. At this point I may swap them all out.

Hello,

In the event you don't receive an answer from the poster..

Left front of machine are 2 relay/fuse boxes. Box closest to the seat (back of machine and has fuses in top half ) has a relay labeled "Safety Run" (bottom right- see attached pics).

 

[scottu5]

Thanks that fixed it. 5th factory relay I have had to change in the last 2 years. At this point I may swap them all out.

Glad it worked!

I purchased 10 exactly the same (id#, markings, etc) on ebay for $4/ea of that type/style relay.

The other 2 larger pcm relays on left side, by fuel tank, I was unable to locate except thru dealer (Messicks) which were $40/ea.

The other thing I did was jumpered seat switch (I stand a lot-no cab), so my seat switch doesn't cause no start or no run if I'm not sitting.

scott