Woods BH75 backhoe/TC-29D questions-subframe

[walk4rams]

Hi All,
Not posted for sometime- Looking at a Woods bh75 backhoe attachment w subframe, hoses, mech. thumb was set up for a T1520. $7000. According to Mesicks it fits (however not verified which subframe id being sold (mesicks says SML 53914 is required)
General Questions,
Runs of tractor hydraulics not PTO Sufficient flow?
Can the Subframe stay on the Tractor and still be allowed to hook up box scraper and snow blower (pto)
What about hose attachments for Backhoe, it there a splitter need as it looks like hydraulic hook ups are all spoken for around loader connections, the tractor is hydrostatic.
How big of rocks (Weight) will the hoe lift safely for small rx walls, do mechanical thumbs work ok, only option available for bh-75 from woods
The units is pretty new, but no warranty and a distance away, so it the price reasonable or what would be a killer deal
Is it worthwhile to look for a New holland 756 or 757C attachment instead of the woods.

Thanks guys, planning on tree planting, landscape, rock walls, however dirt is hard with some larger rocks at times

Welcome to the time change, ick!

Walk4rams

 

[IXLR8]

It is not apples to apples, but I have a Woods BH90 with subframe on my Kioti DK40.
- Subframe stays on all the time, never needs to come off.
- 3pt arms should come off when the BH is in place, but not mandatory.
- I run my machine at 1400 rpm and I have plenty of flow. Any faster and the BH moves too fast for me. Digging power depends on system pressure, not speed (flow).

 

[walk4rams]

Thanks so much for the quick reply, I'm going to check out your tractors hydraulic pump but thats great to know as my tractor seems to function fine at a reasonable rpm , was worried I would have to rev it up and listen to it.

Have a good evening and happy digging!

L.

 

[walk4rams]

can anybody speak as to how to hook up the hydraulics for a tc-29d to the backhoe unit not having a rear auxilliary connection whithout going the pto seperate pump system which costs 2K i believe. Is there a diverer or splitter in the hose kits? sorry for the duplicate post, not sure how to delete it!

 

[TractorTech]

Basically you tie into the power beyond line from the loader valve. NH doesn’t offer a kit, but here is the breakdown. Of course the fittings can be aquired locally or Surplus Center.

New Holland 757C - BACKHOE(10/96 - 12/07) Parts Diagrams

New Holland Parts Catalog Lookup. Buy New Holland Parts Online & Save!

www.messicks.com

 

[nyone]

your looking at at least $8500 for a backhoe and subframe. Have you priced out used smaller mini excavators?

I bought a name brand mini ex that's going to have about the same capacity but way out dig and maneuver a back hoe...for $8500 5yrs ago.

 

[walk4rams]

Yes, i have considered and easier to move in my dump trailer for odd job. I do like the mobility of the TLB. I just priced the power beyon kit above and it totaled $845.00, although I have seen cheaper and have a local shop that I know who fabricates hydraulic stuff, Kind of hope I could use some of the hoses off the hose kit that comes with the unit. I think the whole deal hinges on price, get a deal that's hard to pass up thats great , but full price may be hard to swallow. Mini x's are so versitle anymore, or just rent. The self contained unit PTO's add to the price if a guy wanted to go that route , but many people are fine with powere beyond it seems . thanks for the info

 

[walk4rams]

I called messicks, slightly different part and they gave me two different part no's 716397001 and 716397006. I have a TC-29 D not a DA , not sure the difference. Looked at the joy, six hydraulic lines hooked up on the front face connection with two bolts in the mix , (one dead center). I noticed on the bottom two lg piston looking looking things with a single large bolt next to them on the outside of them in a line. The package looks to add up to between $650.00 to $800.00 depending which diagram you use. A loca shop may be cheaper for the hoses or the guy selling does have a hose kit but not sure excatly what it is as it comes off a 1520. Still learning !

 

[TractorTech]

Well here you go, $150.00 for the kit New Old Stock. Cheaper than having the hoses made, let alone figuring out the fittings.

New Holland 716397001 - BuyItBeforeItsGone!

Hydraulic kit missing bracket mount

www.buyitbeforeitsgone.com

 

[walk4rams]

Thanks a bunch !! stil trying to verify subframe, owner said it may be custom fabricated that also includes the use of the three point hitch, seems odd as i thought most 4 pt subframe set ups excluded the three pt connections ... will wait and see what the gentleman comes up with!

 

[thclimer]

The back hoe subframe on my TC33D does use any part of the 3 pt system. The entire subframe and BH come off, nothing is left on when the BH is removed.

When I bought my 757C 24 years ago there wasn't the availability of small excavators that there is today. If was purchasing my TC33D today I would never buy a BH for it. They work, and I have used mine a lot over the years. A tractor BH doesn't compare to what a small excavator can do, they are in 2 different categories.

If you do go with the 757C route do you weld or know someone who does as I'd guess your going to have to modify that subframe. I have read too many threads where someone was using a 3pt mounted BH and broke their rear casing destroying their tractor. This one of the big disadvantages of BH even mounted to a tractor with a subframe, you still need to be very careful of the damaging lateral forces that the BH can exert on your tractor.

 

[walk4rams]

Thanks all for the help and wisdom! Looks like the subframe is a woods, wasnt sure they made subframes ? I supposed they are pretty good? I didnt see any crossmembers on the frame, are they needed (maybe after market). I confirmed no three point conections as the owner thought. Got busy today didn't get a chance to call the gentleman.

 

[John_Mc]

Years ago I bought a used Woods 7500 backhoe that was set up for use on the 3 pt hitch. Tried it once on my TC33D for some light digging and realized I really needed a subframe mount. Talked to my local New Holland/Woods dealer. They advised me at the time that Woods was coming out with a new "4 point quick hitch sub frame" and to wait for that, since it was reputed to be much more convenient than their older style. When it came out, it was only announced to fit the TC33DA. It did not mention the TC33D. They suggested ordering it and if necessary, they could modify it to fit. I ordered it, and it turns out that it bolted right up. I just unbolted the 3 Pt hitch specific parts from the 7500 and bolted on the part that mates with the 4 pt quick hitch.

I've been very happy with it. The subframe stays on the tractor all the time. Hooking up the backhoe is simple. It probably takes me only 5 minutes.

 

[walk4rams]

Can any body verify how good a woods subframe is that uses the top link of the 3 pt hitch in conjunction with the subframe vs other subframes? the head of the subframe is somewhat a a frame vs a square at the front

 

[kabong57]

I would guess that style depends on the Tractor. The Woods sub frame for my 1532 MF connects to the BH at 4 points. The lower 2 on the sub frame are open hook style that ridgid welded pins set in. The upper 2 points have double plates that sandwich the backhoe frame and are retained by 1" bolts that hold everything ridgid. By removing the lower pins on the 3pt lifting links, the lower arms can be lifted straight up and be held out of the way with a tarp strap and do not have to be removed.

 

[John_Mc]

I would guess that style depends on the Tractor. The Woods sub frame for my 1532 MF connects to the BH at 4 points. The lower 2 on the sub frame are open hook style that ridgid welded pins set in. The upper 2 points have double plates that sandwich the backhoe frame and are retained by 1" bolts that hold everything ridgid. By removing the lower pins on the 3pt lifting links, the lower arms can be lifted straight up and be held out of the way with a tarp strap and do not have to be removed.

That's the Woods 4 point quick hitch subframe I mentioned a couple of posts up. Their previous subframe sounded more like what the OP described in post #14. I believe that old style was removed from the tractor when not in use? The new 4 point one you describe makes for MUCH easier installation and removal of the backhoe. (and at least on my NH TC33D did not cost me much in ground clearance.)

 

[walk4rams]

Was not able to verify subframe by model # or serial number, woods says New holland 1520, TC-29D and TC 29DA all take different subframes. Potentially the TC 29 D and the TC 29 DA may sharesimilar subframes but not sure ,it's just a guess. Not into fabrication, have called several woods dealers, with limited success as its an older , Frusturating round peg syndrome !.

 

[walk4rams]

Hey John Mc,
Thanks for the info, after thinking it over I believe the subframe may be the older woods subframe that would make changing attchments harder. I know it has a top link attachment and a tapered frame as you move towards the loader. Per Woods, even the newer subframes come with a top frame brace. Probalby the only way to sort out is to do a comparison of the individual parts number to spot the differences between a olde and newer woods subframe or the TC29d vs a New Holland 1520. If some one a paper trai helping out l of the order things would be easier. Everybody that has helped out, including the seller have been great.

 

[kabong57]

Hey John Mc,
Thanks for the info, after thinking it over I believe the subframe may be the older woods subframe that would make changing attchments harder. I know it has a top link attachment and a tapered frame as you move towards the loader. Per Woods, even the newer subframes come with a top frame brace. Probalby the only way to sort out is to do a comparison of the individual parts number to spot the differences between a olde and newer woods subframe or the TC29d vs a New Holland 1520. If some one a paper trai helping out l of the order things would be easier. Everybody that has helped out, including the seller have been great.

I would suggest you contact Woods for an installation manual which includes a detailed parts manual. They sent me one as a PDF file . Didn't mind printing the pages I needed before ordering the sub frame. I then modified my old 750 backhoe from a 3pt. mount to fit the new style sub frame.

 

[walk4rams]

The back hoe subframe on my TC33D does use any part of the 3 pt system. The entire subframe and BH come off, nothing is left on when the BH is removed.

When I bought my 757C 24 years ago there wasn't the availability of small excavators that there is today. If was purchasing my TC33D today I would never buy a BH for it. They work, and I have used mine a lot over the years. A tractor BH doesn't compare to what a small excavator can do, they are in 2 different categories.

If you do go with the 757C route do you weld or know someone who does as I'd guess your going to have to modify that subframe. I have read too many threads where someone was using a 3pt mounted BH and broke their rear casing destroying their tractor. This one of the big disadvantages of BH even mounted to a tractor with a subframe, you still need to be very careful of the damaging lateral forces that the BH can exert on your tractor.

Yep I would never use a 3 pt. backhoe in my area. The BH-75 woods backhoe is mated to a 9864 model woods subframe which appears to work for a bh75/bh7500 subframe for a t 15-20 new holland tractor. My research says for the TC-29/33 tractors and tc-30's tI also hat a woods subframe 10101560 is required. It also seems that this subframe may not be a true 4 point hitch as it comes with a top link bracket thats may or may not be required. I wonder if this older style 4point cowoods 10nnection is more difficult to hook and unhook as improvements may have been made by woods. Also is there a new holland subframe that works both with a 757c and a bh75 attachment. I can really see that finding a subframe for a 24 year old tractor used may be difficult. Anybody have a woods 10101560 or can confirm excactly what the 4 point connection looks like and if the top link bracket is being used? Thanks to all that have helped out.