ihookem
Gold Member
Better hope the gov stays away or it will go up for sure and we will have shorages too.
With Crude at $145...
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MikePA
Super Moderator
I disagree 100%. If you want to blame yourself, be my guest but leave me out of it. I use the oil I need. It's annoying, albeit trendy, to blame Americans for this. The issue is purely one of supply versus demand and until we start showing the world, particularly the financial world, we have the will to increase our own supply, the price will continue to go up. Conservation might be good but it is not going to solve this problem, neither will wind, nukes or buying electric cars. All the pontificators who say drilling wont lower the price of fuel...No duh. It will take 5 - 7 years. Wind, electric cars, etc. will take longer, if at all. If we started a national effort ala putting a man on the moon and said we are pulling out all stops to become energy self sufficient in 5 - 7 years, the price of a barrel would drop like a rock. Why? Because speculators would have some reason to believe supply will increase.Charlesaf3 said:
unreconstructed
Platinum Member
Go Eddie!!!
I don't believe we are running out either. All that garbage is being spread around to further the cause of the global warming crowd. It's funny that 20 years ago we were headed into another ice age. It's amazing that nearly everyone here was around for all of that and should remember it but doesn't.
Now we're all going to die from skin cancer and crops will wither from the heat. Yeah right.
If the government tells us we are running out of oil and we can't drill then you can bet your life they have a reason for it. A reason like wanting to use corn for gas.
Why would we switch to it when it cost's more, burns less efficiently and jacks up our food prices if there wasn't a very good reason.
Well, if we don't then the whole world will burn up in global warming.
Sure I believe everything I hear from the government. Why don't the rest of you?
Obama keeps saying it's pointless to drill because it will take 10 years for any of that oil to hit the market. Yeah, that makes sense. If I keep telling myself that there's no reason to save for my retirement because it will take 10 years to get to a comfortable amount in my savings to do any good then what's the point? Why save at all?
This is about the dumbest argument I have ever heard. He has an agenda and everyone needs to get that through their head.
If we don't start drilling now and building more refineries NOW then we will be screwed in 10 years! It's as simple as that. A lot more screwed than we are now. It would be a start at least and a whole lot better than the government sitting on their butts doing nothing.
Now we're all going to die from skin cancer and crops will wither from the heat. Yeah right.
If the government tells us we are running out of oil and we can't drill then you can bet your life they have a reason for it. A reason like wanting to use corn for gas.
Why would we switch to it when it cost's more, burns less efficiently and jacks up our food prices if there wasn't a very good reason.
Well, if we don't then the whole world will burn up in global warming.
Sure I believe everything I hear from the government. Why don't the rest of you?
Obama keeps saying it's pointless to drill because it will take 10 years for any of that oil to hit the market. Yeah, that makes sense. If I keep telling myself that there's no reason to save for my retirement because it will take 10 years to get to a comfortable amount in my savings to do any good then what's the point? Why save at all?
This is about the dumbest argument I have ever heard. He has an agenda and everyone needs to get that through their head.
If we don't start drilling now and building more refineries NOW then we will be screwed in 10 years! It's as simple as that. A lot more screwed than we are now. It would be a start at least and a whole lot better than the government sitting on their butts doing nothing.
actionaj
Gold Member
I think this country should drill ware ever there is oil. No mater if it is under my house or the white house. Not only is it good for the economy but most importantly for national security. I will not vote for any politician that is against drilling. And as far as global warming I think it is bunch of bull. They use it to blame everything on from increases in kidney stones to poison ivy. But mostly they use it to push political agendas. When I was in grade school in the late 70s and early 80s all you heard then was the coming ice age this, ice age that. How can that change in such a short amount of time? We need to take care of the environment too, but do it with logic and reason not because of some Hollywood fad. I agree that congress should do something either if it's right or wrong that's better than just sitting on there butts and wasting money on dog and pony shows. I think its time we kick all of them dead beats out and start over.
The government doesn't care one bit about the environment. Take these new light bulbs they are requiring us by law to use now. Two years ago it was mercury this and mercury that and now they want us to use more of it in these darn light bulbs.
Next time I break one I'm calling the fire department hazmat team and telling them I'm scared for my life because it has mercury in it.
Look at this:
YouTube - IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT ENERGY SAVER LIGHT BULBS!
All to save the planet and reduce the effects of global warming. The government wants us to forget everything they told us for the last 20 years and get on board with this newest fad.
Last year here, was the coldest on record. This one is colder than last so far too. Also while the government says we are running out of oil I got oil in one of my irrigation wells. GO figure!
I wish I had the cash to have the pump changed and it drilled deeper to pull that stuff out of the ground. I've run black oil burning boilers before and would be totally self sufficient in energy here real fast.
Next time I break one I'm calling the fire department hazmat team and telling them I'm scared for my life because it has mercury in it.
Look at this:
YouTube - IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT ENERGY SAVER LIGHT BULBS!
All to save the planet and reduce the effects of global warming. The government wants us to forget everything they told us for the last 20 years and get on board with this newest fad.
Last year here, was the coldest on record. This one is colder than last so far too. Also while the government says we are running out of oil I got oil in one of my irrigation wells. GO figure!
I wish I had the cash to have the pump changed and it drilled deeper to pull that stuff out of the ground. I've run black oil burning boilers before and would be totally self sufficient in energy here real fast.
Mickey_Fx
Veteran Member
In case you haven't noticed, the Pres lifted the EO yesterday to open up oil/gas exploration off the coast. Futures price of Aug delivery dropped $9/bl after the announcement. Some oil Exe's say they already have several wells drilled off the Cal coast and could have oil pumping within a yr, just need for the congressional ban to expire this Sept or is lifted.
So much for the talk that lifting the ban won't have any impact on oil prices and no additional oil for many yrs.
So much for the talk that lifting the ban won't have any impact on oil prices and no additional oil for many yrs.
unreconstructed
Platinum Member
The bunch in Washington think 10 years because it takes them 10 years to change a light bulb--which may be a good thing. I have lived in oil patch now for 27 years--the independents oil producers know how to get things done. The majors will be a little slower but they know how to make hole too.
The political class in this country is sucking us dry and have no credibility about anything that comes out of their pieholes. At least in my view. They are just po'd because the Clinton administration made such a bad deal on the off shore royalities--no deal a farmer at the kitchen table would have ever made.
The political class in this country is sucking us dry and have no credibility about anything that comes out of their pieholes. At least in my view. They are just po'd because the Clinton administration made such a bad deal on the off shore royalities--no deal a farmer at the kitchen table would have ever made.
nate_m
Silver Member
I found the following article interesting. It certainly supports the idea that politicians are often more concerned with there own agenda than the issues they preach.
Al Gore痴 Personal Electricity Consumption Up 10% Despite 摘energy-Efficient Renovations
Energy guzzled by Al Goreç—´ home in past year could power 232 U.S. homes for a month
<STRONG>NASHVILLE æ?u00A7/STRONG> In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President—´ home energy use surged more than 10%, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.
é„* manç—´ commitment to his beliefs is best measured by what he does behind the closed doors of his own home, said Drew Johnson, President of the Tennessee Center for Policy Research. é„*l Gore is a hypocrite and a fraud when it comes to his commitment to the environment, judging by his home energy consumption.
In the past year, Gore—´ home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month.
In February 2007, An Inconvenient Truth, a film based on a climate change speech developed by Gore, won an Academy Award for best documentary feature. The next day, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research uncovered that Gore—´ Nashville home guzzled 20 times more electricity than the average American household.
After the Tennessee Center for Policy Research exposed Gore—´ massive home energy use, the former Vice President scurried to make his home more energy-efficient. Despite adding solar panels, installing a geothermal system, replacing existing light bulbs with more efficient models, and overhauling the homeç—´ windows and ductwork, Gore now consumes more electricity than before the å*µreen overhaul.
Since taking steps to make his home more environmentally-friendly last June, Gore devours an average of 17,768 kWh per month 1,638 kWh more energy per month than the year before the renovations. By comparison, the average American household consumes 11,040 kWh in an entire year, according to the Energy Information Administration. The cost of Gore—´ electric bills over the past year topped $16,533.
In the wake of becoming the most well-known global warming alarmist, Gore—´ film won an Oscar, and he won a Grammy and the Nobel Peace Prize. In addition, Gore saw his personal wealth increase by an estimated $100 million thanks largely to speaking fees and investments related to global warming hysteria.
é„*ctions speak louder than words, and Gore—´ actions prove that he views climate change not as a serious problem, but as a money-making opportunity, Johnson said. 敵ore is exploiting the publicç—´ concern about the environment to line his pockets and enhance his profile.
The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, a Nashville-based free market think tank and watchdog organization, obtained information about Gore—´ home energy use through a public records request to the Nashville Electric Service.
Al Gore痴 Personal Electricity Consumption Up 10% Despite 摘energy-Efficient Renovations
Energy guzzled by Al Goreç—´ home in past year could power 232 U.S. homes for a month
<STRONG>NASHVILLE æ?u00A7/STRONG> In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President—´ home energy use surged more than 10%, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.
é„* manç—´ commitment to his beliefs is best measured by what he does behind the closed doors of his own home, said Drew Johnson, President of the Tennessee Center for Policy Research. é„*l Gore is a hypocrite and a fraud when it comes to his commitment to the environment, judging by his home energy consumption.
In the past year, Gore—´ home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month.
In February 2007, An Inconvenient Truth, a film based on a climate change speech developed by Gore, won an Academy Award for best documentary feature. The next day, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research uncovered that Gore—´ Nashville home guzzled 20 times more electricity than the average American household.
After the Tennessee Center for Policy Research exposed Gore—´ massive home energy use, the former Vice President scurried to make his home more energy-efficient. Despite adding solar panels, installing a geothermal system, replacing existing light bulbs with more efficient models, and overhauling the homeç—´ windows and ductwork, Gore now consumes more electricity than before the å*µreen overhaul.
Since taking steps to make his home more environmentally-friendly last June, Gore devours an average of 17,768 kWh per month 1,638 kWh more energy per month than the year before the renovations. By comparison, the average American household consumes 11,040 kWh in an entire year, according to the Energy Information Administration. The cost of Gore—´ electric bills over the past year topped $16,533.
In the wake of becoming the most well-known global warming alarmist, Gore—´ film won an Oscar, and he won a Grammy and the Nobel Peace Prize. In addition, Gore saw his personal wealth increase by an estimated $100 million thanks largely to speaking fees and investments related to global warming hysteria.
é„*ctions speak louder than words, and Gore—´ actions prove that he views climate change not as a serious problem, but as a money-making opportunity, Johnson said. 敵ore is exploiting the publicç—´ concern about the environment to line his pockets and enhance his profile.
The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, a Nashville-based free market think tank and watchdog organization, obtained information about Gore—´ home energy use through a public records request to the Nashville Electric Service.
unreconstructed
Platinum Member
Lets use the correct term. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. Today's Marxists stole his label. Rather I would say Texas is a lot more marxist than most people realize.
Our property tax is high because we supposedly have no income tax. Our communists in the state legislature passed a new "franchise" tax on all limited liability enitity owners last year to grant "property" tax relief. This replaced the old franchise tax which was based on 4.5 percent of federal taxable income with some adjustments. I was grousing to a local politico about our property taxes going up rather than down and he said the promise was kept--the rate went down but the real estate value went up so he said that was not their fault. We need to have a Boston tea party Texas style and ban all those people from getting within 200 miles of Austin after the tarring and feathering is done.
the other day I saw a prarie dog stick his head up through a hole he had burrowed through the shoulder of a paved road. Somebody call the Green ambulance to rescue the critter before something bad happens.
The Oklahoma House recently passed a resolution putting the feds in Washington on notice that the State of Oklahoma reclaimed its rights under the 10th amendment. The Ok Senate let it go, but I understand the resolution will come back up. I am going to write my state congressman to do the same. You can bet your Texas toast that it will never come up.
Our property tax is high because we supposedly have no income tax. Our communists in the state legislature passed a new "franchise" tax on all limited liability enitity owners last year to grant "property" tax relief. This replaced the old franchise tax which was based on 4.5 percent of federal taxable income with some adjustments. I was grousing to a local politico about our property taxes going up rather than down and he said the promise was kept--the rate went down but the real estate value went up so he said that was not their fault. We need to have a Boston tea party Texas style and ban all those people from getting within 200 miles of Austin after the tarring and feathering is done.
the other day I saw a prarie dog stick his head up through a hole he had burrowed through the shoulder of a paved road. Somebody call the Green ambulance to rescue the critter before something bad happens.
The Oklahoma House recently passed a resolution putting the feds in Washington on notice that the State of Oklahoma reclaimed its rights under the 10th amendment. The Ok Senate let it go, but I understand the resolution will come back up. I am going to write my state congressman to do the same. You can bet your Texas toast that it will never come up.
I was almost mad enough about that property tax relief garbage they passed to move again. Our rate went down a bunch but all of a sudden our tax value went up something like 150% overnight. It's a good thing the max they can jack us by law every year is 10%. We've contested it both times since. Especially this time!
When we walked in with pictures of some of our neighbors places, one has constructed his own 10 acre landfill, another doesn't know how to mow his weeds, and another entire family doesn't have jobs and stays home drinking beer all day long and collecting garbage. They are bad enough that I can smell them here, a mile away. Two race tracks border our property too. The noise doesn't bother me really at all but it will not help resale value any. One of them is a drag strip and they had jet powered funny cars out the other night. Man was that loud! It brought back some unpleasant memories of living in a berthing 1 deck under the aft end of the flight deck on an aircraft carrier for a couple of years. We had F-4 Phantoms and were just switching to F-18's back then. Those car engines sure sounded like an F4 engine at full power!
The county called us this time just before the hearing and said no need to come in, what do you want us to do? I figured that would be their stance. They can't prove my value has gone up at all and they know it. They just want more money so they artificially inflate the property values. One of these days they will turn off the darn lights at the new football stadium at the nearby public highschool. That has turned into a pet peeve of mine. I wonder how much energy all those lights burn? It's the middle of summer vacation right now and they are still on. They haven't been turned off in months. It's 5 miles away and is so bright I can see my horses in the middle of night out in my pasture.
Anyway, I see oil prices are going down fast right now. Just like I thought. The federal ban got lifted so the speculators don't quite know what to do.
It will go back up as soon as they figure out the states still all have bans in place. Hopefully that will change too and oil prices can get back to a level where I can afford to buy some food and new clothes for the family. We've been running on fumes around here for too long with this garbage.
When we walked in with pictures of some of our neighbors places, one has constructed his own 10 acre landfill, another doesn't know how to mow his weeds, and another entire family doesn't have jobs and stays home drinking beer all day long and collecting garbage. They are bad enough that I can smell them here, a mile away. Two race tracks border our property too. The noise doesn't bother me really at all but it will not help resale value any. One of them is a drag strip and they had jet powered funny cars out the other night. Man was that loud! It brought back some unpleasant memories of living in a berthing 1 deck under the aft end of the flight deck on an aircraft carrier for a couple of years. We had F-4 Phantoms and were just switching to F-18's back then. Those car engines sure sounded like an F4 engine at full power!
The county called us this time just before the hearing and said no need to come in, what do you want us to do? I figured that would be their stance. They can't prove my value has gone up at all and they know it. They just want more money so they artificially inflate the property values. One of these days they will turn off the darn lights at the new football stadium at the nearby public highschool. That has turned into a pet peeve of mine. I wonder how much energy all those lights burn? It's the middle of summer vacation right now and they are still on. They haven't been turned off in months. It's 5 miles away and is so bright I can see my horses in the middle of night out in my pasture.
Anyway, I see oil prices are going down fast right now. Just like I thought. The federal ban got lifted so the speculators don't quite know what to do.
It will go back up as soon as they figure out the states still all have bans in place. Hopefully that will change too and oil prices can get back to a level where I can afford to buy some food and new clothes for the family. We've been running on fumes around here for too long with this garbage.
unreconstructed
Platinum Member
I don't think there's any place to move to. We are going European and there's not another America to go to to escape the heavy hand of government. The bright spot in 1776 was a once in history event and it is now fading pretty fast.
Ductape
Elite Member
So yesterday i put some fuel in my truck for $4.71.9/ gal eek: )....... and tonight i'm listening to the news snippet on the radio on the 45 minute drive home. They say crude has dropped to $129 / bbl ........ dropping for the third striaght day (from something like $146 / bbl). Yet..... the truckstop where i purchased my fuel YESTERDAY raised the price 8c /gal to $4.79.9 today. (????????????????). Interesting , isn't it..... this sham?? When a barrel or crude goes up, the price at the pump goes up THAT DAY. When the price of crude drops (substantially)....... the price at the pump...... still goes up????
eek: )....... and tonight i'm listening to the news snippet on the radio on the 45 minute drive home. They say crude has dropped to $129 / bbl ........ dropping for the third striaght day (from something like $146 / bbl). Yet..... the truckstop where i purchased my fuel YESTERDAY raised the price 8c /gal to $4.79.9 today. (????????????????). Interesting , isn't it..... this sham?? When a barrel or crude goes up, the price at the pump goes up THAT DAY. When the price of crude drops (substantially)....... the price at the pump...... still goes up????
Ductape
Elite Member
Darned those public schools !
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skargo
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RollTideRam
Veteran Member
Is this a light at the end of the tunnel? Or a train? JCskargo said:
