Why aren't there any PTO sawmills?

   / Why aren't there any PTO sawmills? #21  
back your tractor up and start sawing

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Note, you better bring about 70hp of tractor or better else your in for a long slow day of sawing. Circle mills like the above fell out of favor for band mills due to kerf waste.


A modern version of "tractor powered" would be a 3phase 10hp e-bandmill that runs off a gen head spun by the PTO of the tractor.
 
   / Why aren't there any PTO sawmills?
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#22  
A modern version of "tractor powered" would be a 3phase 10hp e-bandmill that runs off a gen head spun by the PTO of the tractor.

Also sounds pricy.

Why not a band saw driven by the PTO? Belt driven?
 
   / Why aren't there any PTO sawmills? #23  
This company sells only what you need to make your bandsaw sawmill as you see fit. They offer kits if you have your own motor or engine, etc... No reason that couldn't be connected to a PTO shaft or ran through a gearbox to get the needed RPMs...

Portable sawmill

I'm envisioning that connected to the PTO and their 12V feeder on the 7 pin trailer connector's 12V lead (if your tractor is so equipped) for feeding. Another tractor to load. Seems nice in my mind...
 
   / Why aren't there any PTO sawmills? #24  
Also sounds pricy.

Why not a band saw driven by the PTO? Belt driven?

an electric powered bandsaw is no more expensive than the gas engine version. The PTO generator is only an addtional cost of a couple thousand more, still less than the cost of a stationary generator.

They do make a stationary bandmill with a carriage that moves, but those versions are like 10x the cost of a normal bandmill.
 
   / Why aren't there any PTO sawmills? #25  
This company sells only what you need to make your bandsaw sawmill as you see fit. They offer kits if you have your own motor or engine, etc... No reason that couldn't be connected to a PTO shaft or ran through a gearbox to get the needed RPMs...


You're missing out on a major point.....the sawing head on small bandmills runs down a track, sawing thru the log. How would you connect a PTO shaft, or a belt, or anything to a saw that moves 16-20' and back again per cut ?

The way they do it is to mount a small engine on the saw head that travels WITH the saw head.

The 12v motor drives the head up and down the track....the engine does the actual driving of the blade.

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   / Why aren't there any PTO sawmills? #26  
back your tractor up and start sawing

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Note, you better bring about 70hp of tractor or better else your in for a long slow day of sawing. Circle mills like the above fell out of favor for band mills due to kerf waste.

Actually, kerf waste was way down the list...it's just a side benefit.

The advantages of the small bandmills are:

1. Portable. You can move one in and be ready to saw in 10 minutes. You could move the old circle mill ( that one looks like a Belsaw M-14 ), but it would take you a day or more to set up to saw. I have mine set up in a shed, but sometimes I'll even move it to where the logs on my farm are located rather than move a whole pile of logs down to the mill area. I can roll the end down to the back end, and literally move the whole saw by hand on a good hard surface !

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2. Low amount of horsepower required. As you noted, you'd need a 70hp tractor to do much with a circle mill....and then you have the tractor tied up the whole time, or you run a LARGE stationary power unit. My band mill uses an 18hp Briggs, and I have the tractor free to move lumber and slabs.

3. Smaller carriage. Look at how long that track is on the circle mill. Even the Belsaw M-14 ( which would saw 14' long max lumber ) is probably 35-40' long....because the carriage the log rides on has to start at the far end (clear of the blade ), pass by the blade, and clear the back end of the blade. That's 14.5 + blade width ( say 5' ) + 14.5' out the back end....34' minimum...most likely 36 or more.

My Woodmizer is 23' one end to the other.....and will saw a 21' log.....making 21' lumber.

4. Log diameter. On a circle mill, like above, you were limited to less than half the blade diameter. For example, that might be a 56" blade on that mill ( maybe less ). But you can only use about 20" of it (half the diameter, less some for the carriage height ). So you were limited to about a 20" log. My band mill will saw 34" ( and by shaving a bit with a chainsaw, I've sawed larger.)

5. Blades. Circle mills use (mostly) insert teeth. You have the blade 'blank', and buy a box of teeth that sorta roll into the gullet of the blade blank. But a big, thin hunk of steel used for the blank has a tendency to loose it's temper if you overheat it, or just over time. The blade has to be removed and 'hammered' to keep it's temper, or you just have a big FLOPPY piece of steel that won't cut worth anything. If you have to replace that blade, you're talking hundreds of bucks. The insert teeth were another nightmare. They had a tendency to "un-insert"....aahahahaaaa..... look at the roof over any old circle mill.....looks like you shot it with a machine gun where those teeth would come out, and fling in a 360 degree pattern....you're just seeing the ones that went thru the roof !

Band mills use a fairly cheap, (15-20 bucks) easy re-sharpened band (up to 3-5 times before it breaks). I can change a band in 3-4 minutes.

6. Better lumber. The old circle mills were notorious for "thick and thin" lumber. Between that big blade flopping around, and the length the carriage had to travel, it wasn't easy to cut accurate lumber. The whole reason the "quarter" scale came about (4/4, 5/4, 6/4, etc) was due to the low accuracy. The quarter scale has an extra 1/8" built into it.....so a 4/4 board is not 1", but 1 1/8". That gave the end user (like flooring or furniture companies ) a good shot at ending up with a finished 3/4" board.

Bandmills are extremely accurate for the most part. The lumber is consistent, and fairly smooth compared to circle mill lumber. I can cut on the inch scale ( which gives me a 15/16" board ) and usually still clean up to 3/4" after drying and planing. So not only do you save kerf ( 3/8" on a circle mill versus 1/16" on a band ), but you save not sending lumber to the pile of planer chips.
 
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   / Why aren't there any PTO sawmills? #27  
I hope all of you won't consider this a hijack.

I love the above info and options.

However, all of this reminds me of a sawmill of my youth in the late 60's. It was a 30" compound steam engine driven mill. On certain days of the week, wood was processed. Others, grain was ground. The place was amazing. i remember one Saturday morning when I arrived with my uncle to pick up some rough sawn oak for some stalls he was building. The owner took me back and showed me how he started it up. Belts and pulleys all through the building came alive!!! What a memory.:thumbsup:

Now nothing is left of the place.:(
 
   / Why aren't there any PTO sawmills?
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#28  
There was an old portable saw mill on a piece of land we leased for hunting. It consisted of an engine unit built that was in a trailer with 4 steel, spoked wheels. It drove the various saw units with a belt. There was a very large circular blade on a frame for the main cutting. There was a multi circular bladed unit for cutting multiple boards and there was a planer unit. All of these were on heavy steel frames with guides with fraction of an inch increments cut into them. All of this was rusty and dilapidated but it was clearly a well-built portable mill. A lot of the stuff was very cool and would have made nice barn and cabin wall hanging items (like the big circular blade). But, we leased the place from a paper company and so the stuff was not ours to take. Just before we let the lease go (after 20 years) they pretty much clear cut it and the mill was gone. Not sure if someone took it home or if they sold it for scrap.
 
   / Why aren't there any PTO sawmills? #29  
Todays prices (new) the Honda v-twin 20HP on my mill is only about 1/10 to 1/12th of the cost. Anything bigger than mine tends to become more automated with hydraulics, electric carriage up/down and electric carriage drive. the price really jumps up.
 
 

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